Christ paid our sin debt

[civic]

Died for -yes

Paid for - no.

it will be interesting to see them quote a verse and watch them twist it or add to it and attempt to defend it.

 

[brightfame52]

Died for -yes

Paid for - no.

Yeah, thats the wages. He paid the wages. The word is opsōnion :

1. a soldier's pay, allowance
   1. that part of the soldier's support given in place of pay [i.e. rations] and the money in which he is paid
2. metaph. wages: hire or pay of sin

This is simple Gospel Truth

 

[TomL]

Yeah, thats the wages. He paid the wages. The word is opsōnion :

1. a soldier's pay,allowance
   1. that part of the soldier's support given in place of pay [i.e. rations] and the money in which he is paid
2. metaph. wages: hire or pay of sin

This is simple Gospel Truth

Except it is not used in the bible of Christ paying for sin

 

[brightfame52]

Except it is not used in the bible of Christ paying for sin

See sin is a debt that has to be paid friend Matt 6 12

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Matt 18 30

And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

 

[TomL]

See sin is a debt that has to be paid friend Matt 6 12

And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. Matt 18 30

And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

Forgive not pay

 

[brightfame52]

Forgive not pay

Yes because the debt was paid, the elects forgiveness came at the expense of Christ paying the debt of their sins. Eph 1:7


In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Redemption here is the greek word apolytrōsis

1. a releasing effected by payment of ransom
   
   1. redemption, deliverance
   2. liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

Christ gave His Life for a Ransom Matt 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Ramson lytron :

1. the price for redeeming, ransom
   1. paid for slaves, captives
   2. for the ransom of life
2. to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins

 

[TomL]

Yes because the debt was paid, the elects forgiveness came at the expense of Christ paying the debt of their sins. Eph 1:7


In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Redemption here is the greek word apolytrōsis

1. a releasing effected by payment of ransom
   
   1. redemption, deliverance
   2. liberation procured by the payment of a ransom

Christ gave His Life for a Ransom Matt 20:28

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Ramson lytron :

1. the price for redeeming, ransom
   1. paid for slaves, captives
   2. for the ransom of life
2. to liberate many from misery and the penalty of their sins

Sorry that is not stated

You are adding to scripture

Sin is forgiven

 

[brightfame52]

Sorry that is not stated

You are adding to scripture

Sin is forgiven

Im afraid God has hid this simple Gospel Truth from you friend, Im satisfied you have been given sufficient scripture proof.

 

[TomL]

Im afraid God has hid this simple Gospel Truth from you friend, Im satisfied you have been given sufficient scripture proof.

LOL you have no scripture which actually stated what you claim

 

[brightfame52]

LOL you have no scripture which actually stated what you claim

You haven't believed a most fundamental foundational Gospel Truth.

 

[TomL]

You haven't believed a most fundamental foundational Gospel Truth.

That you cannot support with a single verse

 

[brightfame52]

That you cannot support with a single verse

Again you havent believed a fundamental fact of the Gospel, you get this from Leighton Flowers.

 

[TomL]

Again you havent believed a fundamental fact of the Gospel, you get this from Leighton Flowers.

sorry you are unable to support your view with a single verse

 

[brightfame52]

sorry you are unable to support your view with a single verse

Again, you reject a fundamental doctrine of the Gospel, Christ died for our sins, paid the wage debt, Death

 

[TomL]

Again, you reject a fundamental doctrine of the Gospel, Christ died for our sins, paid the wage debt, Death

That is not a scripture verse

 

[brightfame52]

That is not a scripture verse

you reject a fundamental doctrine of the Gospel, Christ died for our sins, paid the wage debt, Death

 

[TomL]

you reject a fundamental doctrine of the Gospel, Christ died for our sins, paid the wage debt, Death

Where is your verse showing Christ paid for sin?

 

[Joe]

@Joe

He did both for the elect, He bore their punishment for their sins, which in turn set them free from the penalty of their sins and power of sin. Thats why they become believers, they are set free from the power of unbelief. 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

You need to be careful, sounds like you dont believe in the substitutionary death of Christ.

I do not disagree that He bore our sins, for the Father laid them upon Him on the cross. What this means is, the Father considered His death for our sins satisfactory to reestablish a relationship of peace with mankind. It had zero to do with punishment.

If it had to do with punishment, then we would read the authors of the bible expound upon such a thing, especially so within the NT that is all about what God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) has done to save us.

The word punish is used one time in the NT. (Acts 4:21)
The word punished is used four times in the NT. (Acts 22:5, Acts 26:11, 2Th 1:9, 2Pe 2:9)
The word punishment is used four times in the NT. (Matt 25:46, 2Cor 2:6, Heb 10:29, 1 Pe 2:14)
The word wrath is used 38 times in the NT

Of all these instances, not one time are any of these words used towards our Lord not once.

As for our Lord being a substitution for God to vent retribution upon Him for our sins...No, that did not happened. The bible doesn't mention such a thing. If you think so, read above about punishment.

What He was is a sin offering; one that offers their sinless life up unto death for the sins of the sinner. It is here in this action of righteous that God judged sin in the bodily death of His Son. There was absolutely no retribution involved. Only a loving merciful God redeeming/saving us from our sins.

God displayed grace in the giving of His Son as a sin offering for our sins. He did not display wrath in the giving of His Son. Our Great God is widely mischaracterized by men, but He has fully displayed His loving forgiveness and righteousness on the cross, whereby He justified man, now it is up to man to receive His gift of justification by believing Him.

God Bless

 

[civic]

I do not disagree that He bore our sins, for the Father laid them upon Him on the cross. What this means is, the Father considered His death for our sins satisfactory to reestablish a relationship of peace with mankind. It had zero to do with punishment.

If it had to do with punishment, then we would read the authors of the bible expound upon such a thing, especially so within the NT that is all about what God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) has done to save us.

The word punish is used one time in the NT. (Acts 4:21)
The word punished is used four times in the NT. (Acts 22:5, Acts 26:11, 2Th 1:9, 2Pe 2:9)
The word punishment is used four times in the NT. (Matt 25:46, 2Cor 2:6, Heb 10:29, 1 Pe 2:14)
The word wrath is used 38 times in the NT

Of all these instances, not one time are any of these words used towards our Lord not once.

As for our Lord being a substitution for God to vent retribution upon Him for our sins...No, that did not happened. The bible doesn't mention such a thing. If you think so, read above about punishment.

What He was is a sin offering; one that offers their sinless life up unto death for the sins of the sinner. It is here in this action of righteous that God judged sin in the bodily death of His Son. There was absolutely no retribution involved. Only a loving merciful God redeeming/saving us from our sins.

God displayed grace in the giving of His Son as a sin offering for our sins. He did not display wrath in the giving of His Son. Our Great God is widely mischaracterized by men, but He has fully displayed His loving forgiveness and righteousness on the cross, whereby He justified man, now it is up to man to receive His gift of justification by believing Him.

God Bless

Excellent biblical perspective on the atonement on Christ.

 

[TomL]

I do not disagree that He bore our sins, for the Father laid them upon Him on the cross. What this means is, the Father considered His death for our sins satisfactory to reestablish a relationship of peace with mankind. It had zero to do with punishment.

If it had to do with punishment, then we would read the authors of the bible expound upon such a thing, especially so within the NT that is all about what God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) has done to save us.

The word punish is used one time in the NT. (Acts 4:21)
The word punished is used four times in the NT. (Acts 22:5, Acts 26:11, 2Th 1:9, 2Pe 2:9)
The word punishment is used four times in the NT. (Matt 25:46, 2Cor 2:6, Heb 10:29, 1 Pe 2:14)
The word wrath is used 38 times in the NT

Of all these instances, not one time are any of these words used towards our Lord not once.

As for our Lord being a substitution for God to vent retribution upon Him for our sins...No, that did not happened. The bible doesn't mention such a thing. If you think so, read above about punishment.

What He was is a sin offering; one that offers their sinless life up unto death for the sins of the sinner. It is here in this action of righteous that God judged sin in the bodily death of His Son. There was absolutely no retribution involved. Only a loving merciful God redeeming/saving us from our sins.

God displayed grace in the giving of His Son as a sin offering for our sins. He did not display wrath in the giving of His Son. Our Great God is widely mischaracterized by men, but He has fully displayed His loving forgiveness and righteousness on the cross, whereby He justified man, now it is up to man to receive His gift of justification by believing Him.

God Bless

Amen