Christ paid our sin debt

[brightfame52]

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Whoever He died for, they are debt free, God will not impute sin to them. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[TomL]

Whoever He died for, they are debt free, God will not impute sin to them. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Nope

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Whoever He died for, they are debt free, God will not impute sin to them. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[TomL]

Whoever He died for, they are debt free, God will not impute sin to them. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

ope

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[brightfame52]

ope

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Whoever He died for, they are debt free, God will not impute sin to them. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

[brightfame52]

All for whom Christ paid their sin debt, blessed are they, for that means they have no obligation to pay their own sin debt. They are free from debt to Gods Law and Justice by the Body of Christ. God hath also accepted His Payment for their sins, evidenced by He raised Him up from the Dead, that is proof they are Justified and sin debt free Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Justification here means:

the act of God's declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him; adjudging to be righteous,

Now who does this apply to ? It applies to everyone He was Surety for, and everyone who is given Faith to believe in Jesus, to believe on His Name Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[TomL]

Whoever He died for, they are debt free, God will not impute sin to them. Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope that is your assumption not scripture

Once again atonement is a provisional measure which must be appropriated by faith

John 3:14–18 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

See when Jesus came into the world to die for sinners, He was already their Surety, He was and not them, under debt for their sins. Heb 2:17

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

The word behoved is the greek word opheilō :

1. to owe money, be in debt for
   1. that which is due, the debt

See He was in debt, to make reconciliation for their sins, so that being the case, the people themselves are free from the debt. They can never die in their sins, unless God wasnt 100% satisfied with the payment Christ made.

They did nothing to be free from the debt, not even believe !

 

[praise_yeshua]

Who imputes sin to the Sinless Christ? Not me. The Pharisees did, mainstream Christianity does. "Jesus broke God's Sabbaths."

Jesus was Lord over the sabbath. Jesus destroyed the Sabbath when He was the final offering for sin. The only offering that made a difference.

Are you still offering gifts at your alter?

 

[Julie]

I believe Christ died for all but that his remits the sin of only those who believe

I agree and it's so clearly seen and understood that makes me wonder why people have such a hard time with it.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I agree and it's so clearly seen and understood that makes me wonder why people have such a hard time with it.

It is the sin of unbelief that damns. Unbelief in Christ. Would you eternally punish your own children for breaking the law of Moses?

Arminianism falsely teaches that such "sins" damn.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

No doubt about it Calvinist s have a way of making their theology sound correct. Here's what John Piper said about this topic in one of his books.

I wonder why that is?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I wonder why that is?

Calvinism appeals to those who love to blame God for everything.

 

[TomL]

I agree and it's so clearly seen and understood that makes me wonder why people have such a hard time with it.

Their commitment is to a systematic theology

 

[Obadiah]

I wonder why that is?

Well wonder no longer, It's because they're extremely good at deceiving people into believing their false doctrine.

 

[civic]

Calvinism appeals to those who love to blame God for everything.

Yes including evil and sin

 

[Obadiah]

Yes including evil and sin

According to Calvinists such as John Piper, God is not blameworthy even though he ordains atrocity . God ordains the very evil he commands humans to refrain from doing.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

According to Calvinists such as John Piper, God is not blameworthy even though he ordains atrocity . God ordains the very evil he commands humans to refrain from doing.

According to scripture, God is not blameworthy for what He ordains.

Romans 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?

 

[Obadiah]

According to scripture, God is not blameworthy for what He ordains.

Romans 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it?

Heard it all before. Makes one wonder where is the love in Calvinism? Because the real deal is God is love.

Either God orders the world by moral principles different from those he gives humankind, or there is a contradiction in the nature of God.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Heard it all before. Makes one wonder where is the love in Calvinism? Because the real deal is God is love.

Either God orders the world by moral principles different from those he gives humankind, or there is a contradiction in the nature of God.

Romans 9:19-20 does not negate the love of God. I don't know why you think so.