Calvinisms deficient Christology

[praise_yeshua]

Except believing the gospel/believing christ precedes life

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 5:24–25 (ESV) — 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 6:53 (ESV) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Which is why Calvinist believe in enlightenment before the new birth. He doesn't even know what he believes.

Sometimes a Calvinist will insist that these two separate events are actually so closely linked that "causally" there really is no distinction relative to temporal order. Which is a preposterous excuse. They know it is. They usually run when you challenge them.

 

[TomL]

Before one can see or understand the Gospel of the Kingdom, they first must be given Spiritual Ears and Eyes. You dont know what everyone believes who call themselves a Calvinist, thats pride saying that.

You are ignoring scripture again there is no life outside of Christ

John 3:36 (ESV) — 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

 

[brightfame52]

Except believing the gospel/believing christ precedes life

John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

John 5:24–25 (ESV) — 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life. 25 “Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

John 6:53 (ESV) — 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

You need life to drink dont you lol. Can a dead person drink ? Can a dead person eat ? No

 

[praise_yeshua]

Before one can see or understand the Gospel of the Kingdom, they first must be given Spiritual Ears and Eyes. You dont know what everyone believes who call themselves a Calvinist, thats pride saying that.

So "Calvinist" doesn't mean anything that is distinct and not variable?

What kind of nonsense is this? You're actually rather incompetent in what you claim is "Calvinism".

Seriously. You're saying that Calvinism changes and is mutable.... Well "ain't that wonderfully" self serving? Why are you claiming something you can change at any moment?

 

[TomL]

You need life to drink dont you lol. Can a dead person drink ? Can a dead person eat ? No

Can a dead person hate or Sin?

Reject truth?

 

[praise_yeshua]

You need life to drink dont you lol. Can a dead person drink ? Can a dead person eat ? No

LOL.... that ole argument from new born Calvinists....

You don't even realize that a mature Calvinist would never make that argument.... Right?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Can a dead person hate or Sin?

Reject truth?

The dead do nothing....

He is just pretending to know Calvinism.

 

[TomL]

The dead do nothing....

He is just pretending to know Calvinism.

It's a bogus argument. The bible never present spiritually dead person as dead like Lazarus but rather as those separated from God due to rebellion.

Ephesians 2:1–2 (ESV) — 1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

Ephesians 2:11–12 (ESV) — 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

 

[brightfame52]

So "Calvinist" doesn't mean anything that is distinct and not variable?

What kind of nonsense is this? You're actually rather incompetent in what you claim is "Calvinism".

Seriously. You're saying that Calvinism changes and is mutable.... Well "ain't that wonderfully" self serving? Why are you claiming something you can change at any moment?

Im not the one to discuss the variables of calvinist with

 

[brightfame52]

Can a dead person hate or Sin?

Reject truth?

Its his nature so yes, he hates the light. So can a spiritually dead person have Spiritual hunger and thirst ?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Im not the one to discuss the variables of calvinist with

I know. You are the one who has a variable theology that is dependent on what you need to say at any time.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Its his nature so yes, he hates the light. So can a spiritually dead person have Spiritual hunger and thirst ?

So a dead person can do things?

 

[brightfame52]

So a dead person can do things?

Yeah hate the light and love darkness Jn 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yeah hate the light and love darkness Jn 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

You said that dead people can't do things. That is what you said.

" Can a dead person drink ? Can a dead person eat ? No".

Now YOU are insisting they can do things. Once again, you are saying things contrary to what the Scriptures teach.......

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 

[brightfame52]

You said that dead people can't do things. That is what you said.

" Can a dead person drink ? Can a dead person eat ? No".

Now YOU are insisting they can do things. Once again, you are saying things contrary to what the Scriptures teach.......

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Spiritually they cant.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Spiritually they cant.

That is not what you said nor even implied. You used the natural physical condition of dead people in reference. Over and over again, you keep changing your argument when it fits your need. You are double minded.

 

[brightfame52]

That is not what you said nor even implied. You used the natural physical condition of dead people in reference. Over and over again, you keep changing your argument when it fits your need. You are double minded.

Yes it is, more slander

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes it is, more slander

Everyone can read it for themselves. You have no means to form a self assessment of yourself. It is impossible for you to be wrong in your own eyes.

 

[brightfame52]

Everyone can read it for themselves. You have no means to form a self assessment of yourself. It is impossible for you to be wrong in your own eyes.

You slandering me. And you continue to slander

 

[TomL]

You slandering me. And you continue to slander

I would say it is true you are not willing to test your presuppositions by the word of God.