Calvinism makes man a new creation apart from Christ

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

o why are you unable to address rebuttal?

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why do you deny scripture?

 

[brightfame52]

o why are you unable to address rebuttal?

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Why do you deny scripture?

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

Apparently not as you are not able to address rebuttal

why are you unable to address rebuttal?

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

Apparently not as you are not able to address rebuttal

why are you unable to address rebuttal?

Your failure to address rebuttal shows your claim false

If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[civic]

Your god is a massive underachiever. His will is for all (all means all) men to be saved, but He can't seem to accomplish it, because man's will trumps His will. Which is why you believe in a man-centered man-created theology, oops, I mean anthropology.

your god is too weak and afraid of free will since he ordains every deed, thought and action as the Puppeteer. The one who programs his robots to love him artificially through coersion, not out of freedom.

hope this helps !!!

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

Your inability to respond shows it is not plain at all

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

Your inability to respond shows it is not plain at all

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[civic]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

For by GRACE you have been saved.

We all agree

so stop twisting Gods word into a deterministic pretzel

next................

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

Your inability to respond shows it is not plain at all

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

For by GRACE you have been saved.

We all agree

so stop twisting Gods word into a deterministic pretzel

next................

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

This has not changed

Your inability to respond shows it is not plain at all

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

This has not changed

Your inability to respond shows it is not plain at all

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

Your inability to address rebuttal belies your claim

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[brightfame52]

Your inability to address rebuttal belies your claim

Again If it is so plain why are you unable to address this rebuttal

Ephesians 2:8 (KJV 1900) — 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Ephesians 2:9 (KJV 1900) — 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

If salvation is referred to, that is consistent with verse 9

Salvation (that) is not of works

but if faith is referred to, the not of works, makes no sense

No one argues faith is produced by works

further we are told by Paul what the gift is

Romans 6:23 (NASB 2020) — 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gracious gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

 

[TomL]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/calvinism-makes-man-a-new-creation-apart-from-christ.1488/post-75949

 

[civic]

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.

You don’t know what grace is

 

[TomL]

You don’t know what grace is

Or how to interpret plain scripture

 

[brightfame52]

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/calvinism-makes-man-a-new-creation-apart-from-christ.1488/post-75949

Its plain as the noon day sun, with Apostolic authority, faith is not of ourselves, its of Grace Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

So dont tell me you believe the word of God, because you dont.