Calvinism is Gospel !

[Red Baker]

@JLB

So you are disagreeing with what Paul wrote about what an unsaved person needs to do to become saved?

Did you read my post? I said we must follow Ezra, Paul and other men of God in the scriptures as they read the scriptures distinctly, and then gave to them their proper sense, so that others hearing them could understand the reading, without which they ae nothing but words being quoted, that no man understands without some one guiding them just as Philip did the eunuch in Acts 8, and just as Christ did to the two men on the road to Emmaus~Luke 24:32.

So, I'm not by any means disagreeing with Paul or the scriptures, but fully understand the sense of the scriptures you are attempting to use, that you do not understand their God given sense, but are using them contrary to the truth, and by doing so, you are teaching a salvation from sin and condemnation based upon man's works, not solely upon what Christ did to secure the salvation for his people.

Did you take time to listen to the video, which would go along way in helping you to see your error?

Please post the scripture that shows us how an unsaved person becomes saved, since you disagree with Paul,

Saved in the sense of being born again? John 3:1-8. Would you like for me to do a verse by verse on this? I will for you if you desire it. The new birth is a birth solely by the Spirit of God apart from all means~preachers/soul winners (?) even the word of God, since man is dead in trepasses and sins, he must be given life before he can see, hear, believe and follow, etc. This birth takes place in the sub conscience part of man without him even knowing that God is working!

 

[brightfame52]

Saved in the sense of being born again? John 3:1-8. Would you like for me to do a verse by verse on this? I will for you if you desire it. The new birth is a birth solely by the Spirit of God apart from all means~preachers/soul winners (?) even the word of God, since man is dead in trepasses and sins, he must be given life before he can see, hear, believe and follow, etc. This birth takes place in the sub conscience part of man without him even knowing that God is working!

Agreed

 

[JLB]

Paul was not giving instructions on how to get saved there, that is works, Paul taught Salvation by the Grace of God. Unsaved, unregenerate men are dead in sin Romans 3

The scripture shows us how an unsaved person becomes saved.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


You will be saved is clear.


If you don’t believe a person must confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead to be saved, then please tell us how an unsaved person becomes saved.

 

[JLB]

@JLB

Did you read my post? I said we must follow Ezra, Paul and other men of God in the scriptures as they read the scriptures distinctly, and then gave to them their proper sense, so that others hearing them could understand the reading, without which they ae nothing but words being quoted, that no man understands without some one guiding them just as Philip did the eunuch in Acts 8, and just as Christ did to the two men on the road to Emmaus~Luke 24:32.

So, I'm not by any means disagreeing with Paul or the scriptures, but fully understand the sense of the scriptures you are attempting to use, that you do not understand their God given sense, but are using them contrary to the truth, and by doing so, you are teaching a salvation from sin and condemnation based upon man's works, not solely upon what Christ did to secure the salvation for his people.

Did you take time to listen to the video, which would go along way in helping you to see your error?

Saved in the sense of being born again? John 3:1-8. Would you like for me to do a verse by verse on this? I will for you if you desire it. The new birth is a birth solely by the Spirit of God apart from all means~preachers/soul winners (?) even the word of God, since man is dead in trepasses and sins, he must be given life before he can see, hear, believe and follow, etc. This birth takes place in the sub conscience part of man without him even knowing that God is working!

I don’t need to listen to some video, or more of you’re world salad.


I have God’s word.


This is how an unsaved person becomes saved.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


You will be saved is clear.


If you don’t believe a person must confess Jesus Christ as Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead to be saved, then please tell us how an unsaved person becomes saved.

 

[JLB]

So, I'm not by any means disagreeing with Paul or the scriptures, but fully understand the sense of the scriptures you are attempting to use, that you do not understand their God given sense, but are using them contrary to the truth, and by doing so, you are teaching a salvation from sin and condemnation based upon man's works, not solely upon what Christ did to secure the salvation for his people.

Here is how an unsaved person becomes saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

 

[Red Baker]

@JLB

Here is how an unsaved person becomes saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

That's how a regenerate person who lacks true biblical knowledge is saved in a practical sense.

Read the context of Romans 10:1-13 more distinctly, and seek for the true biblical senses. Let's look at John 3:1-8 together.

 

[Red Baker]

@JLB

I don’t need to listen to some video, or more of you’re world salad.

Well, just trying to help, I would listen and try the spirits just as God commanded us to do, (1st John 4:1) using the word of God as the final litmus test, but, what's a few minutes here and there to see who may or may not have the truth. All lovers of the truth, would do as much as needed to be done to make sure they have the truth.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Here is how an unsaved person becomes saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Absolutely... 100% correct.

I think the problem that @Red Baker has, though I could be wrong, is he does not understand how you or I or @civic and others can do so without
as he said... "we must follow Ezra, Paul and other men of God in the scriptures as they read the scriptures distinctly, and then gave to them their proper sense, so that others hearing them could understand the reading, without which they ae nothing but words being quoted, that no man understands without some one guiding them."

And it is double worse with @brightfame52 who seems to believe that even with someone guiding them, it is not going to happen because it is impossible for non elects to understand anything ever.

 

[civic]

Absolutely... 100% correct.

I think the problem that @Red Baker has, though I could be wrong, is he does not understand how you or I or @civic and others can do so without
as he said... "we must follow Ezra, Paul and other men of God in the scriptures as they read the scriptures distinctly, and then gave to them their proper sense, so that others hearing them could understand the reading, without which they ae nothing but words being quoted, that no man understands without some one guiding them."

And it is double worse with @brightfame52 who seems to believe that even with someone guiding them, it is not going to happen because it is impossible for non elects to understand anything ever.

they believe (calvinists) that man is dead like a corpde therefor God must give them life ( regeneration ) which is the new birth before a person can believe and receive the gospel.

But that makes the gospel nonsensical since they place the new birth before faith in the gospel by hearing the gospel then believing the gospel which results in the new birth, born again, becoming a child of God.

The bottom line it is not the gospel at all, its something else. Another gospel.

 

[brightfame52]

The scripture shows us how an unsaved person becomes saved.

False

 

[JLB]

False

Please show us then the scripture that teaches us how an unsaved person becomes saved.

 

[JLB]

False

Here is how the scripture teaches us an unsaved person becomes saved.

Do you believe Paul was lying when he said these words… you will be saved?


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

 

[civic]

Please show us then the scripture that teaches us how an unsaved person becomes saved.

the silence is deafening.

it speaks volumes about a persons theology.

 

[brightfame52]

Here is how the scripture teaches us an unsaved person becomes saved.

Do you believe Paul was lying when he said these words… you will be saved?


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

See my thread:

Thread 'Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9'

Jul 5, 2025

Many today misunderstand Rom 10:9 and find a way to from it teach a conditional salvation, however its not, its more of a giving evidence one is saved and shall be saved. This article is very enlightening:

Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9​

How shalt thou be saved? This is a great question of the scriptures. And the answer is given to us in Romans 10:9 which states, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." This verse of scripture answers many of the...

• brightfame52
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• Forum: Soteriology- The Doctrine of Salvation

 

[JLB]

See my thread:

Thread 'Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9'

Jul 5, 2025

Many today misunderstand Rom 10:9 and find a way to from it teach a conditional salvation, however its not, its more of a giving evidence one is saved and shall be saved. This article is very enlightening:

Thou Shalt Be Saved - An Exposition of Romans 10:9​

How shalt thou be saved? This is a great question of the scriptures. And the answer is given to us in Romans 10:9 which states, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." This verse of scripture answers many of the...

• brightfame52
• Replies: 92
• Forum: Soteriology- The Doctrine of Salvation

There is no explanation of how an unsaved person becomes saved, in your post.

There is just the denial of Romans 10:9


The reason you can’t explain how an unsaved person becomes saved, is you yourself don’t know.


You just talk in circles denying the scriptures because you are deceived.



Here is how an unsaved person becomes saved by hearing and believing the gospel.


… you will be saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

 

[civic]

There is no explanation of how an unsaved person becomes saved, in your post.

There is just the denial of Romans 10:9


The reason you can’t explain how an unsaved person becomes saved, is you yourself don’t know.


You just talk in circles denying the scriptures because you are deceived.



Here is how an unsaved person becomes saved by hearing and believing the gospel.


… you will be saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Ditto

 

[brightfame52]

There is no explanation of how an unsaved person becomes saved, in your post.

Yes its understanding of Rom 10:9

 

[JLB]

Yes its understanding of Rom 10:9

You never said how an unsaved person becomes saved.


You only said it wasn’t as Romans 10:9 stated.


So please tell how you believe an unsaved person becomes saved.

 

[brightfame52]

You never said how an unsaved person becomes saved.

Did you read the thread ?

 

[Red Baker]

@JLB

So please tell how you believe an unsaved person becomes saved.

Saved in the sense that his sins are forgiven and that he is no longer under condemnation. Please consider and then respond.

Legally the sins of God elect were paid for in full when Christ died and was resurrected by the power of God.

Romans 4:25​

“Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.”

Christ's life, death and resurrection from the dead "secured" our legal justification before the law of God. Jesus is the head of the elect of God, and we are the members of his elect body. We were in him from all eternity, in him when he lived in the body of his flesh spiritually speaking, what he did, was as though we did it, what happen to him happened to us by being members of his elect body ~ when he died, we died, when he arose from the dead, we arose, where he now sits at God's right hand, so does each one of the elect members of his body ~legally speaking.

Ephesians 2:4,5

"Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"

Much more could be given, but enough to make my point according to the word of God.

Vitally when are born again by the Spirit of God alone in time when we were dead in trespasses and sins. this take place in the subconscious part of man, where the Spirit of God creates a new man within us after the image of Jesus Christ, which man has the power to hear, see, and believe when given the opportunity to do so, but impossible for one to do so, without this new birth. Man is totally unaware when this birth takes place, (as we shall see) one can only realized it that it was all of God once he begins to hear, believe and received the truths of God's word, and this may take time, since one is a babe in Christ and growth is absolutely necessary for one to understand these blessed truths. He may even reject some of these truths in the beginning because of so many other voices saying contrary things, but in time he will come to see and understand, even though all do so on different levels, no two are the same, and that because of many different factors that may come into play. Nicodemus is the perfect example of what I'm saying, so I'll come back later when time permits and consider Nicodemus' faith, a faith extremely fragile in the beginning but took root and begin to grown as we shall see.