Calvinism is Gospel !
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You have never answered the question. You only dodge it, then lie and say you answered it…
Exactly what you are doing now.
brightfame52
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Man is dead in sin spiritually to God a result of the Fall the consequences when God told Adam in the day you eat thereof you should surely die.
brightfame52
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Huh are you talking about?
civic
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you believe what I posted, no ifs ands or buts about it below:
man is a dead lifeless corpse
therefor God must regenerate the corpse giving it life ( regeneration doctrine in calvinism ) so that they can receive Gods implanted faith ( not their own faith ) and be saved. Man is 100% passive and has no choice in their salvation as its all been determined/predestined before the world came into existence.
man is basically a preprogrammed robot and the programmer has robots he saves and those he destroys. there is no choice in the matter of salvation.
also there is no need to believe the gospel to be saved since you were saved before you even existed according to your own doctrine and posts on the topic.
brightfame52
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Please clearly explain how you believe an unsaved person becomes saved.
Don’t need to read some article.
I asked you.
If you don’t know then just say so.
So far, it seems you just deny what the scriptures say, but can’t actually explain what you believe nor can you show a scripture that teaches what you believe.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
God loves the people of the world.
Whoever believes in His Son will be saved.
Believe is how we are saved; born again.
Can you explain what he believes?
brightfame52
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I believe spiritually he's dead to God if you want to call that a lifeless corpse understanding it's in a spiritual sense that's fine, that's why man has to be made alive read Ephesians 2:5, that word quicken means to be made alive why does he need to be made alive if he's not dead?
That’s the same reasoning the Jews had. They believed because they were the elect, and Abraham’s offspring that they were born saved; “blessed”.
That’s why they rejected what Jesus was offering.
Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?” John 8:31-33
Jesus told them, no you must be born again by the Spirit.
Natural birth won’t do it.
brightfame52
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You seem to try and teach that this is done apart from hearing and believing the Gospel.
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:1-10
Faith means they heard something.
Guess what Paul is referring to that they heard and were saved through faith.
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “LORD, who has believed our report?” So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:16-17
brightfame52
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Selah
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Right, but Christians don’t live their lives according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. By the way, verse 9 is a continuation of verse 8. See how verse 9 starts with a “But”?
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Dizerner
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Please pay attention.
The topic was your original post, which contains an article that was garbage.
You called a fluff piece article about the history of denominations, a proof of "the Gospel" which is just silly and unthinking.
brightfame52
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I know about vs 9 but Vs 8 is about the non Christian who does not have the Spirit. They can not please God.
brightfame52
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Yeah you off track. Did you read the article and the scriptural points made for each of the tulip points ? Pay attention to the scripture provided.
Dizerner
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I read your original post, which was a waste of time.
It seems you have scattered further posts in an unorganized fashion throughout a 22 page thread.
Next time put your article in one place if you are serious about it.
Sounds like your full of yourself. But I'm not surprised because Jesus talked about it and the disciples asked questions about it. It’s there in the Word for us to read and study.
How are we to know when Jesus Christ will return? What will be the signs of the second coming?
2 Timothy 3:13
While evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,Romans 16:18
For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.Matthew 24:24
For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.Matthew 24:4
And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray.2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
And with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.Matthew 24:11
And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.Luke 21:8
And he said, “See that you are not led astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and, ‘The time is at hand!’ Do not go after them.Matthew 24:5
For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.Romans 16:17-18
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.Ephesians 4:14
So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.1 Corinthians 3:18
Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.Matthew 24:4-5
And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.”1 Timothy 2:14
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.Jude 1:3
Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’2 Corinthians 6:8
Through honor and dishonor, through slander and praise. We are treated as impostors, and yet are true;1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,Acts 17:11
Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.John 10:4
When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.Luke 18:8
I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”Mark 13:6
Many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am he!’ and they will lead many astray.Mark 13:5
And Jesus began to say to them, “See that no one leads you astray.Similar threads
