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I've seen their debates on YouTubeDr. Flowers engaged with Dr. James White, in a YouTube presentation titled “Does God Make a Sinner Sin?” In this dialog, Dr. White presents the following argument:
I've seen their debates on YouTubeDr. Flowers engaged with Dr. James White, in a YouTube presentation titled “Does God Make a Sinner Sin?” In this dialog, Dr. White presents the following argument:
Salvation comes first, then Spiritual activityImpossible
Nope belief then salvationSalvation comes first, then Spiritual activity
Salvation then believing, otherwise man is spiritually dead in sin and unbelief.Nope belief then salvation
Except verses that speak of salvation and belief put belief first.Salvation then believing, otherwise man is spiritually dead in sin and unbelief.
Salvation is first, Spiritual life, then beliefExcept verses that speak of salvation and belief put belief first.
Not if you actually read the scriptureSalvation is first, Spiritual life, then belief
Yeah scripture teaches Salvation first, then spiritual activity like hearing and believing the Gospel, otherwise man is spiritually dead in unbelief/sin and darknessNot if you actually read the scripture
Nope it 100% teaches the exact opposite.Yeah scripture teaches Salvation first, then spiritual activity like hearing and believing the Gospel, otherwise man is spiritually dead in unbelief/sin and darkness
Impossible, Salvation brings Faith, otherwise man is dead in sin and unbelief. The adamic man is cursed in unbeliefNope it 100% teaches the exact opposite.
nope faith precedes life.Impossible, Salvation brings Faith, otherwise man is dead in sin and unbelief. The adamic man is cursed in unbelief
Impossible, Faith is a fruit of the Spiirit Gal 5:22nope faith precedes life.
After you are saved comes the fruit of the Spirit.Impossible, Faith is a fruit of the Spiirit Gal 5:22
YepAfter you are saved comes the fruit of the Spirit.
Galatians 5:22 states that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. This verse emphasizes that these qualities are manifestations of the Holy Spirit's influence in the lives of believers.
Faith is a fruit of the Spirit, so regeneration is prior to faithAfter you are saved comes the fruit of the Spirit.
Galatians 5:22 states that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. This verse emphasizes that these qualities are manifestations of the Holy Spirit's influence in the lives of believers.
First the verse as was quoted statedFaith is a fruit of the Spirit, so regeneration is prior to faith
That word is Faith as well, the noun πίστις translated Faith 239 xFirst the verse as was quoted stated
Galatians 5:22 states that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. This verse emphasizes that these qualities are manifestations of the Holy Spirit's influence in the lives of believers.
Nothing at all is stated focusing on faith in the Gospel.
First the verse as was quoted statedThat word is Faith as well, the noun πίστις translated Faith 239 x
A Defense of Calvinism as the Gospel
Calvinism, then, can rightly be viewed as certain basic doctrines, the so-called "five points of Calvinism." But even here, a word of caution is in order. Historically, it is something of a misnomer to call these doctrines "Calvinism." On these doctrines, there was no difference between Luther and Calvin. These two leading Reformers were in agreement in their teaching on the doctrines of predestination, the depravity of the fallen man and justification by faith alone.
Indeed, almost without exception, all of the Reformers embraced what we now call "Calvinism." Besides, the "five points of Calvinism," as five particular doctrines that distinguish Calvinism, originated after Calvin's death. They were formulated by a Synod of Reformed Churches in the Netherlands, in 1618-l619, the Synod of Dordt, in response to an attack on these five doctrines by a group within the Reformed Churches that were known as the Remonstrants or Arminians. This Synod set forth, confessed, explained and defended these five truths in the Canons of the Synod of Dordt. But it was Calvin who developed these truths, systematically and fully; and therefore, they came to be called by his name.
Total depravity is one of the five points of Calvinism. This doctrine teaches that man, every man, is by nature sinful and evil—only and completely sinful and evil. There is in man, apart from God's grace in Christ, no good and no ability for good. By "good" is meant that which pleases God, namely, a deed that has its origin in the faith of Jesus, its standard in the Law of God and its goal in God's glory. From conception and birth, every man is guilty before God and worthy of everlasting damnation. This is man's plight because of the fall of the entire human race m Adam, as Romans 5:12-21 teaches: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned ..."
We have asked over and over again about TULIP and you have insisted it is ground in scriptures.Not only is every man guilty from conception and birth, but he is also corrupt or depraved. This depravity is total. One aspect of this misery of man is the bondage, or slavery, of man's will. The will of every man, apart from the liberating grace of the Spirit of Christ, is enslaved to the Devil and to sin. It is willingly enslaved but it is enslaved. It is unable to will, desire or choose God, Christ, salvation or the good. It is not free to choose good.
It is not Calvinism, that God forces men to sin or that men sin unwillingly, but that the natural man's spiritual condition is such that he cannot think, will or do anything good. On this doctrine, Luther and Calvin were in perfect agreement. Luther, in fact, wrote a book called The Bondage of the Will in which he asserted that the fundamental issue of the Reformation, the basic difference between genuine Protestantism and Roman Catholicism, is this issue, whether the will of the natural man is bound or free. Calvinism shows itself as pure Protestantism by its confession concerning the will in the Westminster Confession of Faith:
Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22First the verse as was quoted stated
Galatians 5:22 states that the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and self-control. This verse emphasizes that these qualities are manifestations of the Holy Spirit's influence in the lives of believers.
Nothing at all is stated focusing on faith in the Gospel.
And you have not posted anything that makes such a claim.