Calvinism is Gospel !

More senseless comments and insults, you been the same for years
I can now add your denial of truths and facts to why you were driven out of your fundamental bible college. The more you respond with denials, the more you reveal why you were driven out of your fundamental bible college.
 
I can now add your denial of truths and facts to why you were driven out of your fundamental bible college. The more you respond with denials, the more you reveal why you were driven out of your fundamental bible college.
@synergy

Calvinism presents itself as a "deeper understanding" of Scripture, as "the next level" of spiritual growth and wisdom and humility and glorifying God.

But it's not a "deeper-level" gospel; it's a different gospel, a false gospel. Underneath what Calvinists "say" it teaches, Calvinism actually teaches something very different. And the only way to realize that is to examine the Word deeply (without wearing Calvinist glasses), to examine Calvinist beliefs closely, to carry them out to their logical, undeniable, inevitable ends, and to compare it all against what the Bible plainly, clearly says.

And this is something Calvinists don't want you doing. (Heck, they don't even do it themselves.) And so they use all sorts of manipulative tactics and phrases to stop you (and themselves) from looking into it deeper, to shame you into simply accepting what they tell you without question or pushback.

And guess what? It works. Given the aggressive, unopposed spread of Calvinism, it's clear that their Scripture-twisting and cult-like tactics work.

But what most people don't realize is that Calvinism is not what it says it is. It's not what it appears to be. Calvinists do not take God at His Word or read the Bible as it was written. What they really do is start with their own unbiblical ideas of what God is like and what certain words/verses mean (contrary to the clear, plain teaching of Scripture) and then they twist Scripture and add multiple layers to make it appear to fit, all while shaming and manipulating you into being quiet and falling into line.

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@synergy

Calvinism presents itself as a "deeper understanding" of Scripture, as "the next level" of spiritual growth and wisdom and humility and glorifying God.

But it's not a "deeper-level" gospel; it's a different gospel, a false gospel. Underneath what Calvinists "say" it teaches, Calvinism actually teaches something very different. And the only way to realize that is to examine the Word deeply (without wearing Calvinist glasses), to examine Calvinist beliefs closely, to carry them out to their logical, undeniable, inevitable ends, and to compare it all against what the Bible plainly, clearly says.

And this is something Calvinists don't want you doing. (Heck, they don't even do it themselves.) And so they use all sorts of manipulative tactics and phrases to stop you (and themselves) from looking into it deeper, to shame you into simply accepting what they tell you without question or pushback.

And guess what? It works. Given the aggressive, unopposed spread of Calvinism, it's clear that their Scripture-twisting and cult-like tactics work.

But what most people don't realize is that Calvinism is not what it says it is. It's not what it appears to be. Calvinists do not take God at His Word or read the Bible as it was written. What they really do is start with their own unbiblical ideas of what God is like and what certain words/verses mean (contrary to the clear, plain teaching of Scripture) and then they twist Scripture and add multiple layers to make it appear to fit, all while shaming and manipulating you into being quiet and falling into line.

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I can now add your denial of truths and facts to why you were driven out of your fundamental bible college. The more you respond with denials, the more you reveal why you were driven out of your fundamental bible college.
More senseless comments and insults, you been the same for years
 
You dont understand scripture
Really friend?
Calvinists look right at Bible verses that clearly say one thing and they essentially go "Yes, it says that, but what God really means is ..."

Calvinist preachers will say "I am only teaching right from Scripture! We always need to go right to Scripture to see what the text says."... but then they subtly spin the verse in a Calvinist way or tie a Calvinist belief onto the end of a biblical truth. A little bait-and-switch. (I've seen it happen.) But since you heard "right from Scripture," you trust that they're teaching "right from Scripture" and you let your guard down, shut off your critical-thinking discernment skills, put on the Calvinist glasses, and let them tell you what to think.



Never shut off your critical-thinking discernment skills! Never let others tell you what to think! Always run what people say (even what I say!) through Scripture, even if - especially if - they tell you they are "only preaching Scripture." How do you think error and heresy slips in?

By announcing itself with bells and whistles, shouting "hey, I'm a heretical, unbiblical idea"? No. It slips in slyly, subtly, slowly, with the appearance of looking biblical. A little twist here, a little tweak there, a little "Did God really say ..." along the way, so that you don't notice what's happening, until it's too late. (See "Exposing Calvinism: My comment on Calvinist twists.")

Calvinists use this "Yes, but ..." approach (see "The Calvinist's Big Ugly 'But'") because they evidently believe God has blessed them with some sort of superior insight into some sort of "hidden, deeper truths" that help them understand what He really meant to say, even though it totally contradicts the simple, commonsense truths of Scripture.

But if you have to read Scripture with a "Yes, but ..." approach, if God says one thing but you say another, who do you think is wrong? You or God?

Not attacking you-just a wake up call for young, immature believers friend.

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Those verses are about all the elect, the sheep. Look at vs 7

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

Only the Sheep shall believe, everyone else, believe not because they not Sheep Jn 10:16,26-27

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

All others God has appointed to unbelief/disobedience 1 Pet 2:8

8 nd a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

The word disobedient is the greek word ἀπειθέω: and means


Disobey, be disobedient, refuse to believe

Meaning: I disobey, rebel, am disloyal, refuse conformity.

Its Gods will that they dont believe in Christ, His appointment, so Jn 1:7 excludes them my friend.
Sorry, no mention was made of sheep

John 1:6–9 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

rather, we see a purpose that all men might believe through the witness of John

you simply ignore the context and run elsewhere while btw quoting a verse which is contrary to your theology.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

According to your theology, those yet unbelievers who do not hear his voice and do not follow him are counted as sheep
 
Sorry, no mention was made of sheep

John 1:6–9 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

rather, we see a purpose that all men might believe through the witness of John

you simply ignore the context and run elsewhere while btw quoting a verse which is contrary to your theology.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

According to your theology, those yet unbelievers who do not hear his voice and do not follow him are counted as sheep
The elect and the sheep are the same people in case you didnt know or dont see it. All of John is about the Sheep
 
More senseless comments and insults, you been the same for years
It truly is senseless and an insult for you to continue to display the same behavior that you displayed when you were driven out of your fundamental Bible college. You are anti-Bible, you possess a disdain for critical thinking, and you deny truths and facts. Looks like you have been the same for years without getting any better.
 
The elect and the sheep are the same people in case you didnt know or dont see it. All of John is about the Sheep
You failed to deal with the verse and point in question

Sorry, no mention was made of sheep

John 1:6–9 (KJV 1900) — 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

rather, we see a purpose that all men might believe through the witness of John

you simply ignore the context and run elsewhere while btw quoting a verse which is contrary to your theology.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

According to your theology, those yet unbelievers who do not hear his voice and do not follow him are counted as sheep
 
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