And All Israel Shall Be Saved!

[jeremiah1five]

No I do not. However, you refuse to recognize when the Bible speaks of Gentile, and it means Gentile. Mixed-raced Jews don't fall under ethnos. It isn't a race, or nationality. Only non-Jewish Gentiles are a recognized race in scripture next to Jews.

"7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the [c]seashore. 9 And they came up on the [d]broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the [e]saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them."

That goes back to my statement that the saints here are the church, while the city is Jerusalem, and the Jews are there. Note how the camp of the saints is not shown in Jerusalem. Or, the church is still in heaven, waiting until it is all over. Gog and Magog is made up of the ancestors of the believers who survived the tribulation. They die somewhere along the line because they are still fleshy humans. They enter the millennial kingdom as they are. Sure they live longer like the Jews do, but they die nonetheless. Notice the first things don't pass away until after the millennium. The ancestors of those who survive the tribulation (who are obviously believers, because scripture is clear that all who follow the beast and his image, every last single one, dies at Jesus second coming.

God made promises to Abraham and extended those promises to Abraham's seed.
God made no promises to non-Hebrews, and the 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture is proof of that fact.

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
Deuteronomy 7:6–9.

Take note: to a thousand HEBREW generations.

 

[armylngst]

The only effect is that Abraham and his seed possess the Promises of God and non-Hebrews do not.

So only Abraham and Jesus, right? I mean, since scripture is clear that the seed mentioned was singular, and it is Jesus.

I'm not sure how in the world you got wrapped up in that some cult, but you did. The Mosaic covenant was temporary and is gone. The Law is done and gone. We have gone from the Mosaic Law ot the Law of Messiah in a covenant that does not have a Jewish priest as the intercessor/mediator.

A Messianic Jew has said that the ethne word in the New Testament does not mean Jewish people, or mixed Jews, but non-Jewish Gentiles. Just as "the Israel of God" does not mean Gentiles or the church. The Israel of God in Galatians speaks to those Jews who aren't damned, but are the elect remnant of God. And yes, there are Jews who will not enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus said those who are born of the water (physical birth...enthicity, Jewish) will not enter the Kingdom of God. Only those who are born of the spirit. This is where you seem to have a disconnect. And, in this case, Jesus meant those Jews who believe in the Messiah and are saved. Born of the spirit, not of the water. Not the physical descendants of Abraham, but only the spiritual descendants of Abraham. (In this case, the Jews who believe in the Messiah by a faith that is like the faith of Abraham.)

The promise is also to the Gentiles who were shut out of the covenants of God. (The four unconditional covenants of the Old Testment that DOES NOT include the Mosaic, which was temporary.) The new covenants brings the heathen/pagan non-Jewish Gentiles near.

 

[Quintus5]

I firmly believe that Jeremiah5's opinion that only Hebrew and Hebrew descendants will be saved--he no longer believes but is "having a go" at it, but he keeps trying to argue the same thing over and over. He has had verses shown to him--including this one

Isaiah 49:6
Indeed He says,
‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.’


I have asked him before about Caiaphas.

If Caiaphas is saved without believing in Christ, then faith in Christ cannot be necessary — and that contradicts the gospel.

I always thought the origin of the word Hebrew as a descendant of Eber (Eber oo)

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Gen 10:21“Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born.”

Gen 11:14-17
“And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber…
And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg…
And Eber lived after he begat Peleg four hundred and thirty years…”

Here the Hebrew are referred to as Eber.

Numbers 24:24
“Ships shall come from the coast of Chittim… and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber…”

When Abraham is first called “the Hebrew,” he is not yet circumcised, and is not Israel--Israel is Jacob--so it is not a salvation category.

 

[Quintus5]

I put this one separate--still the same idea

The genealogy of Abraham

Gen 11:10-26 NIV

From Shem to Abram
10This is the account of Shem’s family line.
Two years after the flood, when Shem was 100 years old, he became the father of Arphaxad. 11And after he became the father of Arphaxad, Shem lived 500 years and had other sons and daughters.
12When Arphaxad had lived 35 years, he became the father of Shelah. 13And after he became the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
14When Shelah had lived 30 years, he became the father of Eber. 15And after he became the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.
16When Eber had lived 34 years, he became the father of Peleg. 17And after he became the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.
18When Peleg had lived 30 years, he became the father of Reu. 19And after he became the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.
20When Reu had lived 32 years, he became the father of Serug. 21And after he became the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.
22When Serug had lived 30 years, he became the father of Nahor. 23And after he became the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.
24When Nahor had lived 29 years, he became the father of Terah. 25And after he became the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.
26After Terah had lived 70 years, he became the father of Abram, Nahor and Haran. "

The Bible does not say all the descendants of Eber will be saved.

 

[brightfame52]

We know that the Church is the antitype of old testament israel when we consider a comparison of 1 Pet 2:9 as the fulfillment of Ex 19:5

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:

1. a preserving, a preservation
2. possession, one's own property
3. an obtaining

Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:

1. to make to remain over
2. to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by
3. to make to remain for one's self
4. to preserve for one's self
5. to get for one's self, purchase

Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type israel In Exodus and Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7

 

[Keiw1]

That's what rabbi Saul said in Romans:

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Romans 11:25–27.

What covenant is that? The New Covenant instituted at the Passover by Jesus sealing it in His blood. God had been going towards this goal ever since He first made covenant promises with Abram the Hebrew (Genesis 14:13), in Genesis chapters 12, 15, and 17.
From Abram to the last Hebrew/Jew to be born into the world, ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED, Saul says in quoting Jeremiah who prophesied of a New Covenant between God and the Hebrew people. Jesus instituted this New Covenant at the Passover meal in the upper room (Passover: a Hebrew observance.) When Jesus was crucified and died on His cross His unblemished sacrifice to God was received and applied to the sins of every Hebrew born into the world. Here is Jeremiah's words on that:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour (member of another tribe), and every man his brother (member of the same tribe), saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:33–34.

"For I will FORGIVE their iniquity and remember their sin NO MORE!

This, Jesus accomplished on the cross. And atonement was accomplished for all of Israel. God has forgiven the iniquity of Israel - even their supporting crucifying Him - and will remember their sin NO MORE!
Israel is restored to God and all Israel shall be saved.
Can I get an "Amen!"?

They outright refuse to do Matt 23:39--they NEVER will, they have lost. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen. They are in the religion headed by Jesus.=1, not hundreds.

 

[brightfame52]

Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen.

And always has been. It was Two Israels Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

National ethnic israel in and of itself has never been Gods chosen people in the realm of Salvation

 

[armylngst]

We know that the Church is the antitype of old testament israel when we consider a comparison of 1 Pet 2:9 as the fulfillment of Ex 19:5

Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: and Deut 14:2

For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God, and the Lord hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

However, it isn't the church. Peter is writing to Jews. He is VERY specific when he addresses his letter. The difference between this and Exodus 19:5, is that Exodus 19:5 is addressed to the NATION of Israel, whereas Peter breaks it down to the elect remnant of Israel.

4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself. 5 Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.”

I Peter
" Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, [a]to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure."

These are some of the elect Jews in the dispersion/diaspora. Peter is writing to them. There are things we can learn (a lot) from this book, but when it is speaking to the addressed, it is speaking to the Jews.

So written to these believing Jews:
"4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”
8 and,
“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

So he is saying to these Jewish believers, they, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood. They who believe will not be disappointed. Peter, in addressing these Jews says that this precious value (he who believes in Him will not be disappointed) is for them. But for those who do not believe (Jews here, and elsewhere), they stumble for being disobedient to the word.

"9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

Please note the church is NOT a race. Peter goes backwards. A royal priesthood, a holy nation, then to a people for God's own possession. Once they were not a people, now they are, had not received mercy, now they have. This is not addressed to the church, but to the Jews. They were once sinners (it doesn't matter that they are Jews), but God called them, as His elect, out of the darkness into His marvelous light.

Verse 11 shows who Peter is addressing.
"11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation."

This is to the Jews.

1 Pet 2:9

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Now the greek word for peculiar in 1 Pet 2 is the word περιποίησις and means:

1. a preserving, a preservation
2. possession, one's own property
3. an obtaining

Now the word comes from the verb peripoieō which means:

1. to make to remain over
2. to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by
3. to make to remain for one's self
4. to preserve for one's self
5. to get for one's self, purchase

Which word Paul uses for purchase here Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

So the Church of God is that peculiar people of God in 1 Pet 2:9 which fulfills the OT Type israel In Exodus and Deut. For God only has One Peculiar people and that's through the Blood of Christ. 7

So to go deeper, the greek word for generation is

race, kind, nation, offspring.
From ginomai; "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective) -- born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock.

see GREEK ginomai

Again, the church is not a race, kind, nation, offspring.

c. stock, race: Acts 7:19; 2 Corinthians 11:26; Philippians 3:5; Galatians 1:14; 1 Peter 2:9; (Genesis 11:6; Genesis 17:14, etc. for עַם); nation (i. e. nationality or descent from a particular people): Mark 7:26; Acts 4:36; Acts 18:2, 24.

So the elect remnant of Israel is that peculiar people of God in I Peter 2:9 which is the completely embodiment and fulfillment of Exodus. God does only have one peculiar people, and that's the remnant of Israel through the blood of Christ.

I know it is hard not to see everything in the Bible as addressed to you. It's not. There are things to learn in scripture, but you must not forget to whom it was written in order to properly interpret. Paul wrote a lot for the Gentiles. Peter wrote a lot for the JEWS. You need to remember what God called each to. Paul to the Gentiles, Peter to the Jews. The other books for the Jews are Hebrews, James, and Jude. So, out of the whole New Testament minus the gospels, the Jews got a total of five books that you want to strip away from them. Nice.

Someone pointed out that there are other places in scripture where you will see the church and the church's position, however... IT IS NOT HERE. This is written specifically to the believers of the elect remnant of Israel.

 

[Rockerduck]

However, it isn't the church. Peter is writing to Jews. He is VERY specific when he addresses his letter. The difference between this and Exodus 19:5, is that Exodus 19:5 is addressed to the NATION of Israel, whereas Peter breaks it down to the elect remnant of Israel.

4 ‘You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to Myself. 5 Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine; 6 and you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the sons of Israel.”

I Peter
" Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, [a]to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure."

These are some of the elect Jews in the dispersion/diaspora. Peter is writing to them. There are things we can learn (a lot) from this book, but when it is speaking to the addressed, it is speaking to the Jews.

So written to these believing Jews:
"4 And coming to Him as to a living stone which has been rejected by men, but is choice and precious in the sight of God, 5 you also, as living stones, [j]are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For this is contained in [k]Scripture:
“Behold, I lay in Zion a choice stone, a precious corner stone,
And he who believes in [l]Him will not be [m]disappointed.”
7 This precious value, then, is for you who believe; but for those who disbelieve,
“The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the very corner stone,”
8 and,
“A stone of stumbling and a rock of offense”;
for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

So he is saying to these Jewish believers, they, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood. They who believe will not be disappointed. Peter, in addressing these Jews says that this precious value (he who believes in Him will not be disappointed) is for them. But for those who do not believe (Jews here, and elsewhere), they stumble for being disobedient to the word.

"9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 for you once were not a people, but now you are the people of God; you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy."

Please note the church is NOT a race. Peter goes backwards. A royal priesthood, a holy nation, then to a people for God's own possession. Once they were not a people, now they are, had not received mercy, now they have. This is not addressed to the church, but to the Jews. They were once sinners (it doesn't matter that they are Jews), but God called them, as His elect, out of the darkness into His marvelous light.

Verse 11 shows who Peter is addressing.
"11 Beloved, I urge you as aliens and strangers to abstain from fleshly lusts which wage war against the soul. 12 Keep your behavior excellent among the Gentiles, so that in the thing in which they slander you as evildoers, they may [n]because of your good deeds, as they observe them, glorify God in the day of [o]visitation."

This is to the Jews.



So to go deeper, the greek word for generation is

race, kind, nation, offspring.
From ginomai; "kin" (abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective) -- born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock.

see GREEK ginomai

Again, the church is not a race, kind, nation, offspring.

c. stock, race: Acts 7:19; 2 Corinthians 11:26; Philippians 3:5; Galatians 1:14; 1 Peter 2:9; (Genesis 11:6; Genesis 17:14, etc. for עַם); nation (i. e. nationality or descent from a particular people): Mark 7:26; Acts 4:36; Acts 18:2, 24.

So the elect remnant of Israel is that peculiar people of God in I Peter 2:9 which is the completely embodiment and fulfillment of Exodus. God does only have one peculiar people, and that's the remnant of Israel through the blood of Christ.

I know it is hard not to see everything in the Bible as addressed to you. It's not. There are things to learn in scripture, but you must not forget to whom it was written in order to properly interpret. Paul wrote a lot for the Gentiles. Peter wrote a lot for the JEWS. You need to remember what God called each to. Paul to the Gentiles, Peter to the Jews. The other books for the Jews are Hebrews, James, and Jude. So, out of the whole New Testament minus the gospels, the Jews got a total of five books that you want to strip away from them. Nice.

Someone pointed out that there are other places in scripture where you will see the church and the church's position, however... IT IS NOT HERE. This is written specifically to the believers of the elect remnant of Israel.

Hello, see how Jesus talked here. It's to the world, not limited to Jewish people. Peter said God is no respecter of persons. Peter is talking to All born again from above. Peter is aware of his mission to the gentiles too. Even though the Jerusalem council put Peter to the circumcision, Peter ended up with Paul in Antioch and Rome.

John 3:16-19 -“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

Acts 10:34 -Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

Peter would not have written to the Jews exclusively and give praise to Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, in the same letter, since Peter also went to the gentiles with Paul.

Jesus only cares about the body of Christ, aka the bride of Christ. There is no differentiation of race.

 

[brightfame52]

However, it isn't the church.

Yes it is. The Body of Christ. National Israel wasnt the Church, the Spiritual Remnant within the Nation is Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[the body of Christ], which are of Israel[the Nation]:
Thats a distinction that must be acknowledged. Now granted, during that time of world history most of Spiritual Israel the Body of Christ were ethnic jews by the election of grace, but it would expand during the NT age to include Gentiles or Heathens that are part of the election of grace. Hence Jesus says Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep[Gentile remnant] I have, which are not of this fold[The jewish remanat]: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[jeremiah1five]

So only Abraham and Jesus, right? I mean, since scripture is clear that the seed mentioned was singular, and it is Jesus.

Abraham asked God for an heir that would be born from his loins and God gave him an heir named "Isaac."
Later, after Abraham died Isaac became the inheritor of all that belonged to his father, Abraham. Later, after Isaac died the inheritance then fell upon Jacob, whom God changed his name to Israel. In time Jacob died, and the inheritance then fell upon Jacob's twelve sons. The history of God and his relationship with Abraham and his seed is recorded in the 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture. To Abraham he understood the "singular" as being Isaac. To Isaac, he understood the "singular" being Jacob and not Esau. From Jacob who had twelve sons the inheritance of Jacob fell to his twelve sons. Each son was "singular" and each son understood they were also plural. The one thing to understand is that God made no promises to anyone other than Abraham. The history of the seed of Abraham can be found in the Hebrew Scripture, from Genesis to Malachi.

I'm not sure how in the world you got wrapped up in that some cult, but you did. The Mosaic covenant was temporary and is gone. The Law is done and gone. We have gone from the Mosaic Law ot the Law of Messiah in a covenant that does not have a Jewish priest as the intercessor/mediator.

God Promised to put His Law (Mosaic Law) into the hearts of the Hebrew people, identified as the House of Israel.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles, or anyone who is not the seed of Jacob (Israel) are not included in this New Covenant. There is only one Law that can be identified here and that is the Law of God as given to Moses for the seed of Jacob, whom God changed his name to Israel. This New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus and it is through the giving of God's Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel), through which God's Law is put in the inward parts of the children of Israel. God's Law in the Person of the Holy Spirit of Promise is that Law God promised to put in the inward parts of the children of Israel. What was once written in stone to lead and guide the children of Israel is now written of fleshly tables of the heart through which God's Spirit leads and guides the born-again believer through their lives. Commands such as "thou shalt have no other gods before me" are now obeyed from within instead of from without.

A Messianic Jew has said that the ethne word in the New Testament does not mean Jewish people, or mixed Jews, but non-Jewish Gentiles. Just as "the Israel of God" does not mean Gentiles or the church. The Israel of God in Galatians speaks to those Jews who aren't damned, but are the elect remnant of God. And yes, there are Jews who will not enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus said those who are born of the water (physical birth...enthicity, Jewish) will not enter the Kingdom of God. Only those who are born of the spirit. This is where you seem to have a disconnect. And, in this case, Jesus meant those Jews who believe in the Messiah and are saved. Born of the spirit, not of the water. Not the physical descendants of Abraham, but only the spiritual descendants of Abraham. (In this case, the Jews who believe in the Messiah by a faith that is like the faith of Abraham.)

The promise is also to the Gentiles who were shut out of the covenants of God. (The four unconditional covenants of the Old Testment that DOES NOT include the Mosaic, which was temporary.) The new covenants brings the heathen/pagan non-Jewish Gentiles near.

You bring up the New Covenant, and the New Covenant is found prophesied and recorded in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Take note to whom this New Covenant is given to:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.

There are no "Gentiles" mentioned or named in this New Covenant. Adding Gentiles to this New Covenant is adding to God's Word and those that do this is under a curse of liar:

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

The Scripture says that liars shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Adding to the Word of God is what liars do.

 

[jeremiah1five]

They outright refuse to do Matt 23:39--they NEVER will, they have lost. Spiritual Israel is now Gods chosen. They are in the religion headed by Jesus.=1, not hundreds.

God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his seed, Isaac.
Follow the Scripture for there is no covenant between God and anyone who is not the seed of Abram.
This is why the God of the Bible is called the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
You can add to the Bible but those that know the truth of God's Word can identify those that add to the Bible.
Natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel in the giving of God's Spirit to Israel, as prophesied by Joel.
God made no promises nor any covenant to anyone who is not the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

 

[armylngst]

Hello, see how Jesus talked here. It's to the world, not limited to Jewish people. Peter said God is no respecter of persons. Peter is talking to All born again from above. Peter is aware of his mission to the gentiles too. Even though the Jerusalem council put Peter to the circumcision, Peter ended up with Paul in Antioch and Rome.

There is a danger to grabbing passages without context. A pretext. This passage is for the elect remnant of the Jews. You can find other verses in other places for the church. Exegete properly.

John 3:16-19 -“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

I never said the gospel wasn't for the world. I said that those verses in I Peter were for the remnant elect of Israel. Not a big deal.

Acts 10:34 -Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

A text without context is a pretext. This is to the Gentiles with Cornelius, and Peter is saying that God has shown him, and he understands that God has also accepted the Gentiles.

Peter would not have written to the Jews exclusively and give praise to Paul, the apostle to the gentiles, in the same letter, since Peter also went to the gentiles with Paul.

Can you show where Peter went to the Gentiels with Paul? He was there when Paul was there, but did he go with Paul? Then why did Jews from James show up, and Peter withdraw from the Gentiles? Peter was the apostle to the Jews, so of course he wrote to the Jews. The very first verses of the book say this as specifically as he can put it.

Jesus only cares about the body of Christ, aka the bride of Christ. There is no differentiation of race.

You don't seem to understand. God made promises and covenants, and those covenants were unconditional. God does not violate covenants or break promises. If He did, we the Gentiles would have the least reason to trust God. Yet you and others keep saying God has done just that. This isn't about races, this is about God's faithfulness to His chosen people Israel, to fulfill His covenants and His promises. And those covenants and promises have been shown to belong to the remnant elect of Israel, not the whole nation. Those covenants do not belong to the church. God even threw in a prophecy where He basically said, if you want something like that, have Him violate His covenants of day and night so they do not occur in their season. Can you do that? If not... BACK... OFF...

You have salvation by the mercy of God. Why STEAL the covenants and promises to Israel, the elect of, one each, against the will of God?

 

[armylngst]

Yes it is. The Body of Christ. National Israel wasnt the Church, the Spiritual Remnant within the Nation is Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel[the body of Christ], which are of Israel[the Nation]:
Thats a distinction that must be acknowledged. Now granted, during that time of world history most of Spiritual Israel the Body of Christ were ethnic jews by the election of grace, but it would expand during the NT age to include Gentiles or Heathens that are part of the election of grace. Hence Jesus says Jn 10:16

You know you are in trouble when you have to rip from context.
"6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s [d]descendants, but: “[e]through Isaac your [f]descendants will be named.”"

Not everyone descended from Israel are the remnant elect of Israel, just as not all of Abraham's physical descendants are spiritual descendants, which here is denoted as being descendants through Isaac.

"8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as [g]descendants. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only this, but there was Rebekah also, when she had conceived twins by one man, our father Isaac; 11 for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would [h]stand, not because of works but [j]because of Him who calls, 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”"

Children of the flesh speaking to the ethnicity, that is Jews. Not all Jews are children of God, but the children of the promise, that is those who believe in Christ with the faith of Abraham, are regarded as the descendants who will partake in the Abrahamic covenant which is NOT for the church. And the reason why Jacob and Esau are brought up here is to show that the election is of God's choice, and not by merit. They hadn't even been born yet, and thus have no works, but God chose to love Jacob.

16 And other sheep[Gentile remnant] I have, which are not of this fold[The jewish remanat]: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Yes. And they aren't of this fold. There shall (FUTURE) be one fold and one shepherd. This is the future. Why? Israel isn't saved until the end. God is gathering the Gentiles and those Jews who come to believe despite the partial blindness/hardening of the nation of Israel. That is not to say the nation of Israel is saved, but to underscore what Paul said, which is a partial blindness has been placed on the nation of Israel. Partial because those in the elect remnant can still be saved.

Not one argument have I made that says Gentiles are not saved. There is a distinction, however, at this time, between the church and the Israel of God (the elect remnant of Israel.) That distinction WILL BE REMOVED, but not until God is done.

 

[armylngst]

Abraham asked God for an heir that would be born from his loins and God gave him an heir named "Isaac."
Later, after Abraham died Isaac became the inheritor of all that belonged to his father, Abraham. Later, after Isaac died the inheritance then fell upon Jacob, whom God changed his name to Israel. In time Jacob died, and the inheritance then fell upon Jacob's twelve sons. The history of God and his relationship with Abraham and his seed is recorded in the 39 "books" of the Hebrew Scripture. To Abraham he understood the "singular" as being Isaac. To Isaac, he understood the "singular" being Jacob and not Esau. From Jacob who had twelve sons the inheritance of Jacob fell to his twelve sons. Each son was "singular" and each son understood they were also plural. The one thing to understand is that God made no promises to anyone other than Abraham. The history of the seed of Abraham can be found in the Hebrew Scripture, from Genesis to Malachi.

God Promised to put His Law (Mosaic Law) into the hearts of the Hebrew people, identified as the House of Israel.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33.

Non-Hebrew Gentiles, or anyone who is not the seed of Jacob (Israel) are not included in this New Covenant. There is only one Law that can be identified here and that is the Law of God as given to Moses for the seed of Jacob, whom God changed his name to Israel. This New Covenant is only the Mosaic Covenant fulfilled by Jesus and it is through the giving of God's Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL (Joel), through which God's Law is put in the inward parts of the children of Israel. God's Law in the Person of the Holy Spirit of Promise is that Law God promised to put in the inward parts of the children of Israel. What was once written in stone to lead and guide the children of Israel is now written of fleshly tables of the heart through which God's Spirit leads and guides the born-again believer through their lives. Commands such as "thou shalt have no other gods before me" are now obeyed from within instead of from without.

The law is done. Jesus ended it. There is a new law, and that is the Messianic Law. There is no more Mosaic Law. And yes, the Gentiles are a part of it as well, despite your attempts to make God a liar.

You bring up the New Covenant, and the New Covenant is found prophesied and recorded in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Take note to whom this New Covenant is given to:

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD,
That I will make a new covenant
With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
In the day that I took them by the hand
To bring them out of the land of Egypt;
Which my covenant they brake,
Although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jeremiah 31:31–34.

Paul also said that the fact that the Gentiles would be a part of it was not revealed in the Old Testament, but was revealed to the apostles.

There are no "Gentiles" mentioned or named in this New Covenant. Adding Gentiles to this New Covenant is adding to God's Word and those that do this is under a curse of liar:

6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.

The Scripture says that liars shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Adding to the Word of God is what liars do.

You have changed Paul's gospel. You are anathem, you know.

 

[brightfame52]

You know you are in trouble when you have to rip from context.

Its called rightly dividing the word of truth, rightly cutting out, God has made me well versed in the bible

 

[Keiw1]

God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew and his seed, Isaac.
Follow the Scripture for there is no covenant between God and anyone who is not the seed of Abram.
This is why the God of the Bible is called the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
You can add to the Bible but those that know the truth of God's Word can identify those that add to the Bible.
Natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel in the giving of God's Spirit to Israel, as prophesied by Joel.
God made no promises nor any covenant to anyone who is not the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

The bible refers to them as Israel in Revelation=spiritual Israel. These serve the true living God=YHVH(Jehovah) and know 100% Jesus is the one sent forth by him= the Messiah. Jesus didn't speak to 7 synagogues in Revelation.

 

[Rockerduck]

There is a danger to grabbing passages without context. A pretext. This passage is for the elect remnant of the Jews. You can find other verses in other places for the church. Exegete properly.

I never said the gospel wasn't for the world. I said that those verses in I Peter were for the remnant elect of Israel. Not a big deal.

A text without context is a pretext. This is to the Gentiles with Cornelius, and Peter is saying that God has shown him, and he understands that God has also accepted the Gentiles.

Can you show where Peter went to the Gentiels with Paul? He was there when Paul was there, but did he go with Paul? Then why did Jews from James show up, and Peter withdraw from the Gentiles? Peter was the apostle to the Jews, so of course he wrote to the Jews. The very first verses of the book say this as specifically as he can put it.

You don't seem to understand. God made promises and covenants, and those covenants were unconditional. God does not violate covenants or break promises. If He did, we the Gentiles would have the least reason to trust God. Yet you and others keep saying God has done just that. This isn't about races, this is about God's faithfulness to His chosen people Israel, to fulfill His covenants and His promises. And those covenants and promises have been shown to belong to the remnant elect of Israel, not the whole nation. Those covenants do not belong to the church. God even threw in a prophecy where He basically said, if you want something like that, have Him violate His covenants of day and night so they do not occur in their season. Can you do that? If not... BACK... OFF...

You have salvation by the mercy of God. Why STEAL the covenants and promises to Israel, the elect of, one each, against the will of God?

According to Jeremiah Israel broke the covenant relationship. What was the covenant? The ark of the covenant. The ark was burned up by the Chaldeans on God's directions to destroy the Temple.. No more covenant. Jeremiah 31:31-32. In Jeremiah 31:33-34, God describes a new Covenant to replace the old covenant. That new covenant is Jesus..

 

[armylngst]

Its called rightly dividing the word of truth, rightly cutting out, God has made me well versed in the bible

It has nothing to do with rightly cutting out. I'm not sure where you get the idea of creating pretext being a proper exegesis of scripture.

rightly divide.
From a compound of orthos and the base of tomoteros, to make a straight cut, i.e. (figuratively) to dissect (expound) correctly (the divine message) -- rightly divide.

see GREEK orthos

see GREEK tomoteros

2. dropping the idea of cutting, to make straight and smooth; Vulg.rectetracto, to handle aright: τόν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας, i. e. to teach the truth correctly and directly, 2 Timothy 2:15; τόν ἀληθῆ λόγον,

So, it isn't saying butcher the Bible so it says what you want.

 

[armylngst]

According to Jeremiah Israel broke the covenant relationship. What was the covenant? The ark of the covenant. The ark was burned up by the Chaldeans on God's directions to destroy the Temple.. No more covenant. Jeremiah 31:31-32. In Jeremiah 31:33-34, God describes a new Covenant to replace the old covenant. That new covenant is Jesus..

I'm not sure where you got that from, but do you have scripture to back that up? It is all assupmtion, considering there is no record of the Ark in the Babylonian records. It is quite possible that God took the Ark.

There is a new covenant, however, the old covenant was in action until the institution of the new. The Jews, in their legends, have this pretty much spelled out. The scapegoat of the atonement sacrifice would wear a red cord, which, according to rabbinic legend, would turn white after release, symbolizing the atonement of the people. However, in 30 AD, the cord stopped turning white. It is a legend, so grain of salt, however, they aren't believers, so such a legend seems to carry some meaning. They also talk about the light in the tabernacle no longer remaining lit, which some have said shows that the glory of God had departed the temple. The light was related to the glory of God.

Jesus is the mediator/intercessor of the new covenant. It was by His blood that the covenant was ratified.

The covenants between God and Israel stand... except for the Mosaic covenant. That was temporary. The Law of the Mosaic Covenant has been replaced by the Messianic Law of the new covenant.