An Article on free will
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Eternally-Grateful
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how about stopping the he said she said and get to the word.. no one is edified when we accuse each other
I would argue that biblically, to "believe in" is one and the same as to "have faith in". That is true in English as well as in Greek.
That which kick starts our salvation.
Eternally-Grateful
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the English word belief is where that would stumble
A great example I have is a person would use a tightrope to push a wheel barrow across the Niagara falls. He would put enough weight in it to resemble a normal human adult. He did this multiple times going back and forth. A great crowd gatered. After awile he asked if anyone believed he could actually take a living human across. Everyone raised their hands, they believed he could do it. they believed in him.
Sadly. when he asked for volunteers. no one raised their hand. they believed he could do it. But they did not trust that he could guarantee their safety (if they fell it would be death)
Eternally-Grateful
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So are we saved or are we not?
Only God can decree who is saved and who is not. I'm not sure why you're asking me?
Eternally-Grateful
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You're asking me if I believe in OSAS? No, I do not.
Eternally-Grateful
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No,
I am asking if you believe we are saved the moment we come to christ. or if we have to work to maintain our salvation
OSAS is a term that is misused
GodsGrace
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I'm afraid I've lost the thread of our discussion...had to leave before.
But Jesus said we need only faith the size of a mustard seed.
This may not be what we were discussing...if not we'll just have to drop it.
Sorry. Or,,,get me back on track.
GodsGrace
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We all agree that the reply is a resounding NO.
Define what you mean by "work". Is it "works of the Law", "good works", any effort exerted by humans, "work of faith", "labor of love", etc..... ?
civic
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I was saved at a point in time back in 1980. That’s when I was born again by receiving Christ as my Lord/ Savior confessing my sins , repenting and began following Him daily as a disciple.
Losing one’s salvation is a hot topic and there are believers , pastors , theologians on both sides of the fence.
GodsGrace
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In reply.....to believe and to believe in basically is the same.
If I BELIEVE God,,,,I will do as He states in order to get me saved.
If I BELIEVE God...I will follow Him because I believe He is telling me the truth.
To believe means to trust....
If I believe the elevator will take me up,,,then I am trusting the elevator.
To believe in Jesus....
Means to believe in HIS NAME...
To believe in HIS AUTHORITY.
to believe in HIS CAPACITY AS GOD..
to believe He IS GOD.
If I believe Jesus,,,I trust Him as a good teacher (which is where many stop)...
If I beleive IN JESUS...then I'm trusting Him for my salvation.
We need both and I believe even in the first case I would be saved
(even though my belief system is limited).
civic
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GodsGrace
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Hi Johann,
I just PM'd @Administrator and he changed the font size to 18 !
It should be much easier to read.
Nice that you brought this up.
I am sorry but you are incorrect. One can believe the Bible presents the truth and yet not place their trust and confidence in what it says.
@GodsGrace
"And I hope you mean MISS FRAN in a nice way..." yes, @GodsGrace.
Oh me, do not tell me I'm in trouble again....sorry I meant nothing about it just showing a little respect, no disrespect to you Fran. Maybe you are just a little too sensitive, not saying you are, but I'll not use that again.
"And I hope you mean MISS FRAN in a nice way..." yes, @GodsGrace.
GodsGrace
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No problem RB.
It's just that I've been married A REALLY LONG TIME!
