An Article on free will

[Kermos]

What possibly is in these few sentences can make you believe what you have said above. " you believing "I am sovereign above I AM" "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14) for you believe you control God.



MTMattie said:


@Kermos , there is nothing in what I said that could lead you to believe what you slanderously wrote other then under the guidance of Satan.

Dont worry about a reply because you are now permanently on ignore .


The phrase “unequally yoked” comes from 2 Corinthians 6:14 in the King James Version: “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?

Now you are going to say "But we are not yoked" for which I say Thank God.....

But we have had a very strange fellowship and one that my Heavenly Father. The Father of Jesus, the Christ. certainly would pull me away from.

Goodbye.

Your prophecy "Now you are going to say 'But we are not yoked'" never entered my mind as my own initiative; therefore, you are a false prophet (Matthew 24:11)and the Word of God declares "many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray" (Matthew 24:11), and look at the many you lead astray: @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

Due to all of you issuing agreement with @MTMattie with your "Like", this post is equally to @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

Would you like to discuss libel further? Libel is written, but slander is spoken.

Now, back to the post which you destroyed context. The first paragraph is cohesively integrated with the second paragraph as one continuous progression, yet you intentionally deleted the post's progression then cried "slander", and the immediately first clause into your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) pre-mature chop exposed your Free-willian Philosophy of "I am sovereign above I AM" inside of your free-willian foundation "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation"; on top of that, your heart (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) nullified the precious Word of God in this second paragraph.

You broke the context of the post in order to make your false prophet's point, and this is visible in the following.

I admit to wording that awkwardly. My apologies.

I wrote:
The Father is I AM. Jesus is IAM....... In the beginning and before Yahweh was I AM and the WORD who became Jesus

was I AM.

I left off a comma.

It should read

The Father is I AM. Jesus is IAM....... In the beginning and before, (added comma) Yahweh was I AM and the WORD who became Jesus

was I AM.

Congratulations.... You have got the brass ring for being correct

"so Yahweh always exists as three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, being the One True God. All glory to Yahweh God!"

Your belief leads to you believing "I am sovereign above I AM", and your belief is reminiscent of "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14) for you believe you control God.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Now, let's continue with the highly related topic that we were engaged in discussing before you tried to diverge. Do try to stay on topic, MTMattie.

All authority was give to Jesus in heaven and on earth. THis is true.

Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, This is Jesus instucting his disciples ,

https://twitter.com/intent/tweet/?t...-did-jesus-mean-to-go-and-make-disciples.html
The main way that Jesus began the biggest movement in human history (Christianity) was by calling, developing, and sending out a handful of unqualified, untrained, and unlikely disciples.

It was common, in the first century, for a Jewish rabbi to have and lead disciples, who were pupils or students that were so devoted to their leader that they accepted their teaching and adhered to their lifestyle. They not only learned information, but they walked with their teacher in order to become like them. And they taught the recruited others to follow in the diciples footstwps of teaching and spreading the word.

More than that, true disciples assisted their leaders in spreading their mission. One major sign of maturity in a disciple is a willingness to help others follow. The main way that Jesus began the biggest movement in human history (Christianity) was by calling, developing, and sending out a handful of unqualified, untrained, and unlikely disciples.

https://twitter.com/intent/tweet/?t...-did-jesus-mean-to-go-and-make-disciples.html

You presented commentary as the basis of your understanding, again, and you diverged from the specific point that the Christ of us Christians says "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you
(Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28/20) which includes the Christ's precious saying of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) to all disciples (Matthew 28:18-20).

Listen about the treasure that is the Word of God "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (The Word of God, Lord Jesus Christ, John 12:48), and notice He didn't say "the commentary is what will judge him at the last day".

The point was very clear in the post to which you replied, so I pose your words right back at you, "Can you read? You do not understand." as recorded in post #6,525.

The Great Commission is profound regarding the Way (John 14:6) in many aspects, and we Christians understand because of the Word of God (John 1:14). I'm listening as my Master speaks:

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

(Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28:18-20)
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Thank You, Father of Heaven and Earth, for the love you show the world with revealing the Word of God!

God has me contrast your word against the Word of God, here:

the word of MTMattie		The Word of God
John 15 have nothing to do with you or me (MTMattie, proof post #6,395).		teaching them to observe all that I commanded you (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28/20).

You vehemently believe that you are not a friend of Jesus thus making yourself an enemy of Jesus because your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me" (proof post #6,395) thus you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I reject your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me". Lord Jesus, you chose me as your friend, and I thank you, my Lord and Savior! King Jesus, You know I am weak, but You are strong!

You conveyed that you put the Word of God, which our loving Holy Father in Heaven caused me to post, on your ignore in your very public prayer that you posted (proof post #6,518). Putting the Word of God on ignore is not the will of Christ's Father in Heaven. This same Christ of us Christians declares "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48). We Christians do not put the Christ's sayings on ignore.

Now, in your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) self-proclaimed ignorance, you run to non-biblical sources because the Word of God is not enough for you! As an aside, the words you composed at the conclusion of your post "All of these commentaries show that only the disciples (apostles) were chosen. Jesus had to have them for they had a job to do. They did not come knocking on his door looking for a job. Jesus chose them...." is the only place in your whole post that states "only the disciples (apostles)" - not a single commentary author as you quoted states "only the disciples (apostles)".

Expanding on the aside, with your specific quote portion "Jesus had to have them for they had a job to do", you remove Lord Jesus from choosing disciples to be His friends, yet your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary contains "Ye have not chosen me, but I … you—a wholesale memento after the lofty things He had just said about their mutual indwelling, and the unreservedness of the friendship they had been admitted to", so you give the appearance of failing to read your own commentary (you quote it, you own it).

Your own commentary includes I selected you as individuals, not excluding thereby a gracious choice of other souls (see your Pulpit Commentary). You confusedly argue against yourself, yet God is not a God of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

The Word of God issues these wonderful blessings to all believers in all time:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

And I am forevermore thankful to Lord Jesus Christ!

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God like "you apostles only did not choose Me, but I chose exclusively you apostles", and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Again, you have made it very clear with your amplification of "John 15:16 WAS NEVER MEANT FOR ALL PEOPLE" that you deny being a friend of Lord Jesus because you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16) as recorded in post #6,407.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE HOLY LIVING WORD OF GOD!!!

 

[ProDeo]

@ProDeo.

@ProDeo

Stop spamming me, else I will report you.

 

[Johann]

Your prophecy "Now you are going to say 'But we are not yoked'" never entered my mind as my own initiative; therefore, you are a false prophet (Matthew 24:11)and the Word of God declares "many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray" (Matthew 24:11), and look at the many you lead astray: @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

Due to all of you issuing agreement with @MTMattie with your "Like", this post is equally to @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

Would you like to discuss libel further? Libel is written, but slander is spoken.

Now, back to the post which you destroyed context. The first paragraph is cohesively integrated with the second paragraph as one continuous progression, yet you intentionally deleted the post's progression then cried "slander", and the immediately first clause into your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) pre-mature chop exposed your Free-willian Philosophy of "I am sovereign above I AM" inside of your free-willian foundation "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation"; on top of that, your heart (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) nullified the precious Word of God in this second paragraph.

You broke the context of the post in order to make your false prophet's point, and this is visible in the following.



Your belief leads to you believing "I am sovereign above I AM", and your belief is reminiscent of "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14) for you believe you control God.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Now, let's continue with the highly related topic that we were engaged in discussing before you tried to diverge. Do try to stay on topic, MTMattie.



You presented commentary as the basis of your understanding, again, and you diverged from the specific point that the Christ of us Christians says "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you
(Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28/20) which includes the Christ's precious saying of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) to all disciples (Matthew 28:18-20).

Listen about the treasure that is the Word of God "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (The Word of God, Lord Jesus Christ, John 12:48), and notice He didn't say "the commentary is what will judge him at the last day".

The point was very clear in the post to which you replied, so I pose your words right back at you, "Can you read? You do not understand." as recorded in post #6,525.

The Great Commission is profound regarding the Way (John 14:6) in many aspects, and we Christians understand because of the Word of God (John 1:14). I'm listening as my Master speaks:

​

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”​

​

(Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28:18-20)​

​

Thank You, Father of Heaven and Earth, for the love you show the world with revealing the Word of God!

God has me contrast your word against the Word of God, here:

the word of MTMattie		The Word of God
John 15 have nothing to do with you or me (MTMattie, proof post #6,395).		teaching them to observe all that I commanded you (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28/20).

You vehemently believe that you are not a friend of Jesus thus making yourself an enemy of Jesus because your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me" (proof post #6,395) thus you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I reject your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me". Lord Jesus, you chose me as your friend, and I thank you, my Lord and Savior! King Jesus, You know I am weak, but You are strong!

You conveyed that you put the Word of God, which our loving Holy Father in Heaven caused me to post, on your ignore in your very public prayer that you posted (proof post #6,518). Putting the Word of God on ignore is not the will of Christ's Father in Heaven. This same Christ of us Christians declares "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48). We Christians do not put the Christ's sayings on ignore.

Now, in your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) self-proclaimed ignorance, you run to non-biblical sources because the Word of God is not enough for you! As an aside, the words you composed at the conclusion of your post "All of these commentaries show that only the disciples (apostles) were chosen. Jesus had to have them for they had a job to do. They did not come knocking on his door looking for a job. Jesus chose them...." is the only place in your whole post that states "only the disciples (apostles)" - not a single commentary author as you quoted states "only the disciples (apostles)".

Expanding on the aside, with your specific quote portion "Jesus had to have them for they had a job to do", you remove Lord Jesus from choosing disciples to be His friends, yet your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary contains "Ye have not chosen me, but I … you—a wholesale memento after the lofty things He had just said about their mutual indwelling, and the unreservedness of the friendship they had been admitted to", so you give the appearance of failing to read your own commentary (you quote it, you own it).

Your own commentary includes I selected you as individuals, not excluding thereby a gracious choice of other souls (see your Pulpit Commentary). You confusedly argue against yourself, yet God is not a God of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

The Word of God issues these wonderful blessings to all believers in all time:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

And I am forevermore thankful to Lord Jesus Christ!

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God like "you apostles only did not choose Me, but I chose exclusively you apostles", and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Again, you have made it very clear with your amplification of "John 15:16 WAS NEVER MEANT FOR ALL PEOPLE" that you deny being a friend of Lord Jesus because you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16) as recorded in post #6,407.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE HOLY LIVING WORD OF GOD!!!

A word of caution @Kermos-I was banned from https://www.christianityboard.com/ for alleged "spamming", a forum I dearly love and had to look up "spamming" in a dictionary.

I do believe you are spamming, look it up for yourself.

J.

 

[Kermos]

Stop spamming me, else I will report you.

If you prefer to avoid being included in this dialog, then stop issuing your "Like"/agreement of other people's posts to me (the quoted posts that you cut the Word of God out link back to posts which you issued "Like") and stop replying to me (the last post that God caused me to make here before today was in your and my interaction a few days ago on Sunday) and stop participating on a public forum.

As is typical of free-willians, you participate, then, when faced with the Word of God, you fade.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (The Word of God, John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

 

[synergy]

in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

And when is one born again? When one is chosen by God. And when is one chosen by God? When one is called by God and repents and believes. See Th 2:13. Otherwise, we're back to your Zombie Traditions.

(Th 2:13) But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

We don't believe in the possibility that one can be chosen in Christ (made alive in Christ) but not yet called to believe in Christ (still dead in his sins - John 8:24). That makes one a Living Dead person, a zombie monstrocity that is an impossibility and proves your heresy is an abomination. Your continuous rants against the Bible will not change those facts. We refuse to believe in your Zombie Traditions.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE HIS MAJESTY, LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

Wonderful verses that warn you of Zombie traditions like yours and that declare the Sovereignty of God.

Keep those Biblical anti-calvinism anti-Zombie verses coming!

You may have forgotten, but I have not forgotten about the following.

As I told you before, and I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below. You need to apologize publicly in this thread for your publicly visible behavior.

Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

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Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils​

Red Baker is a big boy and he possesses human will so he can respond back to me if he wills.

 

[civic]

Your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation (recorded in post #2,495 of this thread) results in you, dead in sin, free-will choose to believe in Good Jesus causing yourself to be born again, yet no dead man causes himself to be born into a living man. The Truth (John 14:6) about us Christians is that our loving Christ says to each and every one of us that you believe in Him whom He has sent is the work of God (John 6:29).

We Christians believe Christ who exclusively chooses to cause us to believe when Christ, who is God, lovingly makes us alive in Christ with the new birth (John 13:34, John 3:3, John 6:29, John 15:16, John 15:19)! Thank You, Jesus, for the New Covenant in Your Blood! Every drop of Your Blood, Jesus, is absolute Treasure!

You, @civic, believe Jesus' Blood was wasted and now boils in hell because you believe that Jesus' Blood was shed for people who are in hell. The cross precedes your purported free-will choice, so Christ's Blood was covering all currently living person's sin before all were born according to Free-willian Philosophy.

Your heart (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21), @civic, makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! JESUS, YOU ALONE ARE WORTHY OF ALL PRAISE AND GLORY AND HONOR, PRAISE YOU OH GOD!!!

you deny the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Apostles.

Your heart (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21), makes false statements about God and man. Fatalism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

 

[civic]

And when is one born again? When one is chosen by God. And when is one chosen by God? When one is called by God and repents and believes. See Th 2:13. Otherwise, we're back to your Zombie Traditions.

(Th 2:13) But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

We don't believe in the possibility that one can be chosen in Christ (made alive in Christ) but not yet called to believe in Christ (still dead in his sins - John 8:24). That makes one a Living Dead person, a zombie monstrocity that is an impossibility and proves your heresy is an abomination. Your continuous rants against the Bible will not change those facts. We refuse to believe in your Zombie Traditions.

Wonderful verses that warn you of Zombie traditions like yours and that declare the Sovereignty of God.

Keep those Biblical anti-calvinism anti-Zombie verses coming!

Red Baker is a big boy and he possesses human will so he can respond back to me if he wills.

Amen

 

[civic]

Your prophecy "Now you are going to say 'But we are not yoked'" never entered my mind as my own initiative; therefore, you are a false prophet (Matthew 24:11)and the Word of God declares "many false prophets will arise, and will lead many astray" (Matthew 24:11), and look at the many you lead astray: @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

Due to all of you issuing agreement with @MTMattie with your "Like", this post is equally to @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

Would you like to discuss libel further? Libel is written, but slander is spoken.

Now, back to the post which you destroyed context. The first paragraph is cohesively integrated with the second paragraph as one continuous progression, yet you intentionally deleted the post's progression then cried "slander", and the immediately first clause into your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) pre-mature chop exposed your Free-willian Philosophy of "I am sovereign above I AM" inside of your free-willian foundation "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation"; on top of that, your heart (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) nullified the precious Word of God in this second paragraph.

You broke the context of the post in order to make your false prophet's point, and this is visible in the following.



Your belief leads to you believing "I am sovereign above I AM", and your belief is reminiscent of "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14) for you believe you control God.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Now, let's continue with the highly related topic that we were engaged in discussing before you tried to diverge. Do try to stay on topic, MTMattie.



You presented commentary as the basis of your understanding, again, and you diverged from the specific point that the Christ of us Christians says "teaching them to observe all that I commanded you
(Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28/20) which includes the Christ's precious saying of "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) to all disciples (Matthew 28:18-20).

Listen about the treasure that is the Word of God "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (The Word of God, Lord Jesus Christ, John 12:48), and notice He didn't say "the commentary is what will judge him at the last day".

The point was very clear in the post to which you replied, so I pose your words right back at you, "Can you read? You do not understand." as recorded in post #6,525.

The Great Commission is profound regarding the Way (John 14:6) in many aspects, and we Christians understand because of the Word of God (John 1:14). I'm listening as my Master speaks:

​

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”​

​

(Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28:18-20)​

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Thank You, Father of Heaven and Earth, for the love you show the world with revealing the Word of God!

God has me contrast your word against the Word of God, here:

the word of MTMattie		The Word of God
John 15 have nothing to do with you or me (MTMattie, proof post #6,395).		teaching them to observe all that I commanded you (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 28/20).

You vehemently believe that you are not a friend of Jesus thus making yourself an enemy of Jesus because your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me" (proof post #6,395) thus you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I reject your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me". Lord Jesus, you chose me as your friend, and I thank you, my Lord and Savior! King Jesus, You know I am weak, but You are strong!

You conveyed that you put the Word of God, which our loving Holy Father in Heaven caused me to post, on your ignore in your very public prayer that you posted (proof post #6,518). Putting the Word of God on ignore is not the will of Christ's Father in Heaven. This same Christ of us Christians declares "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48). We Christians do not put the Christ's sayings on ignore.

Now, in your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) self-proclaimed ignorance, you run to non-biblical sources because the Word of God is not enough for you! As an aside, the words you composed at the conclusion of your post "All of these commentaries show that only the disciples (apostles) were chosen. Jesus had to have them for they had a job to do. They did not come knocking on his door looking for a job. Jesus chose them...." is the only place in your whole post that states "only the disciples (apostles)" - not a single commentary author as you quoted states "only the disciples (apostles)".

Expanding on the aside, with your specific quote portion "Jesus had to have them for they had a job to do", you remove Lord Jesus from choosing disciples to be His friends, yet your Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary contains "Ye have not chosen me, but I … you—a wholesale memento after the lofty things He had just said about their mutual indwelling, and the unreservedness of the friendship they had been admitted to", so you give the appearance of failing to read your own commentary (you quote it, you own it).

Your own commentary includes I selected you as individuals, not excluding thereby a gracious choice of other souls (see your Pulpit Commentary). You confusedly argue against yourself, yet God is not a God of confusion but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).

The Word of God issues these wonderful blessings to all believers in all time:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

And I am forevermore thankful to Lord Jesus Christ!

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God like "you apostles only did not choose Me, but I chose exclusively you apostles", and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Again, you have made it very clear with your amplification of "John 15:16 WAS NEVER MEANT FOR ALL PEOPLE" that you deny being a friend of Lord Jesus because you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16) as recorded in post #6,407.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE HOLY LIVING WORD OF GOD!!!

projecting again since its your doctrine of fatalism thats false not ours. You twist the scriptures just like the devil. John 8:44.

 

[synergy]

Due to all of you issuing agreement with @MTMattie with your "Like", this post is equally to @ProDeo, @civic, and @Johann.

I also gave MTMattie a like. Could you please include me also into that illustrious company? Pretty please.

Your rant-filled promotion of your Zombie Traditions, with massive and repeated misinterpretations of Biblical text, are hilarious.

 

[civic]

I also gave MTMattie a like. Could you please include me also into that illustrious company? Pretty please.

Your rant-filled promotion of your Zombie Traditions, with massive and repeated misinterpretations of Biblical text, are hilarious.

and the dozens of others who agree too. We only have 2 hypers on the forum and the other is mr brightfame who is also a dogmatic fatalist like kermo.

 

[MTMattie]

I also gave MTMattie a like. Could you please include me also into that illustrious company? Pretty please.

Your rant-filled promotion of your Zombie Traditions, with massive and repeated misinterpretations of Biblical text, are hilarious.

 

[Kermos]

I also gave MTMattie a like. Could you please include me also into that illustrious company? Pretty please.

Your rant-filled promotion of your Zombie Traditions, with massive and repeated misinterpretations of Biblical text, are hilarious.

As a blessed Christian in Christ, the work of God is that I believe in Him whom He has sent (John 6:29) according to Christ who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a follower of "Zombie Traditions" means that you insult my loving Leader Jesus Christ by calling Christ your wicked "walking dead", and no Christian applies walking dead to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life (John 14:6)! Your absence of humility regarding Christ is astounding.

You have a difficult time understanding this, so I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below. You need to apologize publicly in this thread for your publicly visible behavior.

Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils
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in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE PRECIOUS, LIVING LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[synergy]

As a blessed Christian in Christ, the work of God is that I believe in Him whom He has sent (John 6:29) according to Christ who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a follower of "Zombie Traditions" means that you insult my loving Leader Jesus Christ by calling Christ your wicked "walking dead", and no Christian applies walking dead to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life (John 14:6)! Your absence of humility regarding Christ is astounding.

You have a difficult time understanding this, so I'm telling you again. If you want me to even consider addressing your points, then you need to apologize to Red Baker for your long standing and repeated position of bearing false witness against him as shown per the below. You need to apologize publicly in this thread for your publicly visible behavior.

If you actually do follow Christ, you would have acknowledged the Bible verses I placed in front of you. Instead, you ran away from them as fast as you possibly could.

Let’s revisit the Bible verses so that we can reveal who exactly you are a follower of.

(Th 2:13) But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

If you actually believed 2 Th 2:13, then you would know that our election by God is through belief (and sanctification of the Spirit). IOW, belief is before election. You ran away from 2 Th 2:13 as fast as you possibly could; nevertheless, just for argument’s sake let’s imagine your election before belief heresy is true. Let’s bring up John 8:24 and see what happens:

(John 8:24) Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

That means you are dead in your sins as long as you do not believe. So if one is chosen in Christ (made alive in Christ) but still dead in his sins, well, that makes him a Living Dead person, a zombie monstrocity that is an impossibility and proves your heresy is an abomination. Your continuous rants against the Bible will not change those facts. We refuse to believe in your Zombie Man-Made Traditions.

Self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) you continues to refuse to apologize, that is clear, and you persist in bearing false witness against @Red Baker who stated:

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Nicodemus' child like confession proved that he was already born of the Spirit of God, or, else he would had been just like the other leaders of the Pharisees who said that jesus did what he did under the power of the prince of the devils​

Again, Red Baker is a big boy and he possesses human will so he can respond back to me if he wills. This is just a lame excuse for you to once again run away from having to face up to Bible verses that expose your Man-Made Anti-Biblical Zombie Traditions.

in post #2,814 regarding the Lord’s saying "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God." (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3).

John 3:3 is indeed a wonderful verse which we totally believe. So, when is one born again? When one is chosen by God. And when is one chosen by God? When one is called by God and repents and believes. See Th 2:13 for proof that once again destroys your Zombie Man-Made Traditions.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE PRECIOUS, LIVING LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

More wonderful verses that warn you of Man-Made Zombie Traditions like yours and that declare the Sovereignty of God.
Keep those Biblical anti-calvinism anti-Zombie verses coming!

In conclusion, you think that by running away from Bible verses that's how you prove that you follow Christ. What type of mind-rattling logic is that? So stop with the lame excuses and man up to the verses I mentioned.

 

[Red Baker]

Red Baker is a big boy and he possesses human will so he can respond back to me if he wills.

I can answer for myself, not because I'm a big boy, but because I have the mind of Christ, by the very fact I have been born of the Spirit of God, by his power and grace alone, certainly not by any work of a so-called free will that false brethren think men possess, as far as be able to do spiritual acts that only a born again child of God can do. A person's knowledge of certain scriptures may not be a clear cut evidence of who exactly that person is following, but it will be a clear cut proof if they possess true biblical knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.

Let’s revisit the Bible verses so that we can reveal who exactly you are a follower of.

And you certainly do not.

If you actually believed 2 Th 2:13, then you would know that our election by God is through belief (and sanctification of the Spirit). IOW, belief is before election. You ran away from 2 Th 2:13 as fast as you possibly could; nevertheless, just for argument’s sake let’s imagine your election before belief heresy is true. Let’s bring up John 8:24 and see what happens:

I prefer the KJV: 2 Thessalonians 2:13“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

You asked: So, when is one born again? Well now, if you truly understood the word of God, you would never ask such a Spirit void question, never. That question is asked by those unlearned, untaught by the Spirit of God!

Let me ask you this question: When was John the Baptist born again? Need help? shortly after conception, before he was born of flesh! Surely you are not so bold as to deny this truth. When was the thief on the cross born of the Spirit? Need help? I'm sure you do. Just before he died with Jesus.

So, the new birth happens sometimes after conception and before one's death. The evidence of such a birth is belief of the truth, or fruits of the indwelling Spirit.

2nd Thessalonians 2:13~“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

Paul carefully distinguishes God's children from those living under a strong delusion, by them being "brethren beloved of the Lord" ~ by the very fact they (not beloved of God) had not the love of the truth in their hearts, God, had harden their hearts to the truth just as he did Pharaoh and others before them. Not that God worked in their hearts to harden them, but he left them to the deception of their own fleshly heart they were born with which is deceitful above all things, who can know it! (Jeremiah 17:9)

"brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation"~by the very facts God had chosen them to salvation (from sin and condemnation) proved that God loved them, they certainly did not love the truth apart from God's election of free grace, for that's impossible for those born with Adams' fallen nature, which nature is under the power of the devil, sin, and all of its lust, far from being free to do spiritual acts that only a new man created by God's power can do, and even then very imperfect!

"through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”~Set apart by the Spirit of God, given the power, right to believe per John 1:12,13! It is election ~ God’s choice ~ that delivers us from Satan and the lies of false religion. Again, the sanctification of the Spirit is that washing of regeneration that gives us new hearts. Belief of the truth for the most part (there are some exception, infants dying as infants, mentally feebleminded folks, heathens who may never hear of Jesus Christ, etc.) follow regeneration and is brought forth by gospel preaching.

No man is able to deliver his own soul from lies – only the Lord can do it (Is 44:18-20). If God chose to save any from their own folly, then they are bound to thank Him always, and we should for them as well.

 

[Kermos]

I can answer for myself, not because I'm a big boy, but because I have the mind of Christ, by the very fact I have been born of the Spirit of God, by his power and grace alone, certainly not by any work of a so-called free will that false brethren think men possess, as far as be able to do spiritual acts that only a born again child of God can do. A person's knowledge of certain scriptures may not be a clear cut evidence of who exactly that person is following, but it will be a clear cut proof if they possess true biblical knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.

And you certainly do not.

I prefer the KJV: 2 Thessalonians 2:13“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

You asked: So, when is one born again? Well now, if you truly understood the word of God, you would never ask such a Spirit void question, never. That question is asked by those unlearned, untaught by the Spirit of God!

Let me ask you this question: When was John the Baptist born again? Need help? shortly after conception, before he was born of flesh! Surely you are not so bold as to deny this truth. When was the thief on the cross born of the Spirit? Need help? I'm sure you do. Just before he died with Jesus.

So, the new birth happens sometimes after conception and before one's death. The evidence of such a birth is belief of the truth, or fruits of the indwelling Spirit.

2nd Thessalonians 2:13~“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

Paul carefully distinguishes God's children from those living under a strong delusion, by them being "brethren beloved of the Lord" ~ by the very fact they (not beloved of God) had not the love of the truth in their hearts, God, had harden their hearts to the truth just as he did Pharaoh and others before them. Not that God worked in their hearts to harden them, but he left them to the deception of their own fleshly heart they were born with which is deceitful above all things, who can know it! (Jeremiah 17:9)

"brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation"~by the very facts God had chosen them to salvation (from sin and condemnation) proved that God loved them, they certainly did not love the truth apart from God's election of free grace, for that's impossible for those born with Adams' fallen nature, which nature is under the power of the devil, sin, and all of its lust, far from being free to do spiritual acts that only a new man created by God's power can do, and even then very imperfect!

"through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”~Set apart by the Spirit of God, given the power, right to believe per John 1:12,13! It is election ~ God’s choice ~ that delivers us from Satan and the lies of false religion. Again, the sanctification of the Spirit is that washing of regeneration that gives us new hearts. Belief of the truth for the most part (there are some exception, infants dying as infants, mentally feebleminded folks, heathens who may never hear of Jesus Christ, etc.) follow regeneration and is brought forth by gospel preaching.

No man is able to deliver his own soul from lies – only the Lord can do it (Is 44:18-20). If God chose to save any from their own folly, then they are bound to thank Him always, and we should for them as well.

Praise God!!!

 

[synergy]

I can answer for myself, not because I'm a big boy, but because I have the mind of Christ, by the very fact I have been born of the Spirit of God, by his power and grace alone, certainly not by any work of a so-called free will that false brethren think men possess, as far as be able to do spiritual acts that only a born again child of God can do. A person's knowledge of certain scriptures may not be a clear cut evidence of who exactly that person is following, but it will be a clear cut proof if they possess true biblical knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ.

Whoever has the "mind of Christ" also believes in the entire Bible, not just bits and pieces of it. I offered 2 verses to Kermos and he ran away from them as fast as he possibly could. Let's see what you did with them. Here they are again.

(2 Th 2:13) But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

(John 8:24) Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

For 2 Th 2:13, you shamelessly changed the wording from "through belief in the truth" to "evidence of such a birth is belief of the truth". So changing Biblical words is what having the "mind of Christ" means to you? Sorry, I want no part of that, that's for sure.

As for John 8:24, you intentionally bypassed it even though you quoted me referring to it. Another fine "mind of Christ" moment for you.

Conclusion: So before you go around flaunting and boasting that you have the "mind of Christ", you would be good to check that you do believe the Bible first.

And you certainly do not.

I prefer the KJV: 2 Thessalonians 2:13“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

You asked: So, when is one born again? Well now, if you truly understood the word of God, you would never ask such a Spirit void question, never. That question is asked by those unlearned, untaught by the Spirit of God!

You didn't like the answer I gave you? I said that one is born again when chosen by God. If not by God then by who? Tell us who is the real force behind your being born again.

Let me ask you this question: When was John the Baptist born again? Need help? shortly after conception, before he was born of flesh! Surely you are not so bold as to deny this truth. When was the thief on the cross born of the Spirit? Need help? I'm sure you do. Just before he died with Jesus.

So, the new birth happens sometimes after conception and before one's death.

Did I offer any resistance to what you just wrote? Dispense with the strawmen please. Anyways, it's funny how you narrowed it down to sometime "after conception and before one's death". Way to go genius. You guys are a funny bunch.

The evidence of such a birth is belief of the truth, or fruits of the indwelling Spirit.

If you read 2 Th 2:13, you would also agree that belief precedes election.

2nd Thessalonians 2:13~“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

Paul carefully distinguishes God's children from those living under a strong delusion, by them being "brethren beloved of the Lord" ~ by the very fact they (not beloved of God) had not the love of the truth in their hearts, God, had harden their hearts to the truth just as he did Pharaoh and others before them. Not that God worked in their hearts to harden them, but he left them to the deception of their own fleshly heart they were born with which is deceitful above all things, who can know it! (Jeremiah 17:9)

I agree.

"brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation"~by the very facts God had chosen them to salvation (from sin and condemnation) proved that God loved them, they certainly did not love the truth apart from God's election of free grace, for that's impossible for those born with Adams' fallen nature, which nature is under the power of the devil, sin, and all of its lust, far from being free to do spiritual acts that only a new man created by God's power can do, and even then very imperfect!

"through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”~Set apart by the Spirit of God, given the power, right to believe per John 1:12,13! It is election ~ God’s choice ~ that delivers us from Satan and the lies of false religion. Again, the sanctification of the Spirit is that washing of regeneration that gives us new hearts. Belief of the truth for the most part (there are some exception, infants dying as infants, mentally feebleminded folks, heathens who may never hear of Jesus Christ, etc.) follow regeneration and is brought forth by gospel preaching.

There you go again dismissing the word of God that says "through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth". Do you have difficulty seeing actual printed words? Maybe a change of glasses can help?

No man is able to deliver his own soul from lies – only the Lord can do it (Is 44:18-20). If God chose to save any from their own folly, then they are bound to thank Him always, and we should for them as well.

Last time I checked, nobody possesses the power to regenerate himself. So stop with the strawmen.

 

[Red Baker]

(2 Th 2:13) But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.

(John 8:24) Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

For 2 Th 2:13, you shamelessly changed the wording from "through belief in the truth" to "evidence of such a birth is belief of the truth". So changing Biblical words is what having the "mind of Christ" means to you? Sorry, I want no part of that, that's for sure.

As for John 8:24, you intentionally bypassed it even though you quoted me referring to it. Another fine "mind of Christ" moment for you.

Conclusion: So before you go around flaunting and boasting that you have the "mind of Christ",

Never intentionally would I ever pass over any verse, it just was not one I in that post dealt with, but be sure before this post is over I will. Secondly, I never go around flaunting and boasting my knowledge ~ those who have known me for a few years should testify to that if they would, like @ MTMattie. Why are judging another man's spirit as though you were God? Does not Paul say those who are spiritual (born again) have the mind of Christ, do you have problem with that?

1st Corinthians 2:15​

“But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ."

You probably do since you have a problem with many scriptures, as we shall prove.

you would be good to check that you do believe the Bible first.

@synergy pretty I been in the warfare much longer than you, so I would be careful if I were you to take heed to some good advice given by a king:

1st Kings 20:11​

“And the king of Israel answered and said, Tell him, Let not him that girdeth on his harness boast himself as he that putteth it off.”

Novices are full of pride, even against elders who have been in the faith longer than they have been born, and love to boast, when truly they have not one thing to boast about. I have met you kind many times before and will add, not one thing have I ever read that posted, would cause me to fear your positions.

You didn't like the answer I gave you? I said that one is born again when chosen by God.

If you had worded your sentence/confession like this: "One that is chosen by God's grace, and born again in time by the Spirit's power, from that point forward, they have the power to believe." then I would have no problem, for then, and "ONLY" then you would have removed man from having a part in his salvation from sin and condemnation. Man has no active part in his salvation from sin and condemnation, none whatsoever. Salvation is of the Lord, totally, 100%.

Jonah 2:9​

“But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.”

Anyways, it's funny how you narrowed it down to sometime "after conception and before one's death". Way to go genius. You guys are a funny bunch.

Mocking God's word synergy? I would not say I narrowed down regeneration down to a particular time frame, I actually enlarged the time frame as to when one can be born again by the Spirit of God using the testimony of God's word. If what I gave witness to is not so, then prove it wrong.

If you read 2 Th 2:13, you would also agree that belief precedes election.

Do you truly understand just how oxymoron your statement is? I do not think you do. God's election of grace is only reason anyone believe, it is why some do believe and others do not believe.

Acts 13:48​

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

Your position goes against God's testimony as to why some believe and others do not.

John 10:26​

“But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:”

There you go again dismissing the word of God that says "through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth". Do you have difficulty seeing actual printed words? Maybe a change of glasses can help?

I gave the true sense of the scriptures something you have no clue as to how to do the same!

Nehemiah 8:8​

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

synergy: ”(John 8:24) Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” That means you are dead in your sins as long as you do not believe. So if one is chosen in Christ (made alive in Christ) but still dead in his sins,

It is very true, by nature all of God's elect are conceived with Adam's fallen nature, which nature is dead in trespasses and sin, until God is please to quicken them to life. Just because God's people were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, does not means they have spiritual life at that point of being chosen, if that is what you are attempting to say.

that makes him a Living Dead person, a zombie monstrocity that is an impossibility and proves your heresy is an abomination. Your continuous rants against the Bible will not change those facts. We refuse to believe in your Zombie Man-Made Traditions.

Only because of your corrupt thinking of what constitute election of grace. Your think one's believing precedes God's election, thereby you have come up with this Living dead person. Btw, you are the only one that is ranting against God word, and a friendly reminder for you.......... the scriptures concerning God's election of grace will forever stand!

Romans 9:11​

“(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth”

 

[MTMattie]

Romans 9:11​

“(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth”

Just a few variations of Romans 9:11 for comparison.

New Living Translation
But before they were born, before they had done anything good or bad, she received a message from God. (This message shows that God chooses people according to his own purposes;

Worsley New Testament
(when the children were not yet born, nor had done either good or evil, that the purpose of God according to his choice might abide, not on account of works, but of Him that calleth,) it was said to her, the elder shall serve the younger:

Mace New Testament
for before they were born, and had done neither good or evil, that the distinction which God had purposed to make might appear to be, not in consideration of their actions, but of his own free call,

Lamsa Bible
Before her children were born, or had done good or evil, the choice of God was made known in advance; that it might stand, not by means of works, but through him who made the choice.

Catholic Public Domain Version
when the children had not yet been born, and had not yet done anything good or bad (such that the purpose of God might be based on their choice),

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Before the children had been born or had done anything good or bad, Rebekah was told that the older child would serve the younger one. This was said to Rebekah so that God's plan would remain a matter of his choice,
Legacy Standard Bible
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that the purpose of God according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

New American Standard Bible and 1977 and 1995
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

 

[Johann]

Just a few variations of Romans 9:11 for comparison.

New Living Translation
But before they were born, before they had done anything good or bad, she received a message from God. (This message shows that God chooses people according to his own purposes;

Worsley New Testament
(when the children were not yet born, nor had done either good or evil, that the purpose of God according to his choice might abide, not on account of works, but of Him that calleth,) it was said to her, the elder shall serve the younger:

Mace New Testament
for before they were born, and had done neither good or evil, that the distinction which God had purposed to make might appear to be, not in consideration of their actions, but of his own free call,

Lamsa Bible
Before her children were born, or had done good or evil, the choice of God was made known in advance; that it might stand, not by means of works, but through him who made the choice.

Catholic Public Domain Version
when the children had not yet been born, and had not yet done anything good or bad (such that the purpose of God might be based on their choice),

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Before the children had been born or had done anything good or bad, Rebekah was told that the older child would serve the younger one. This was said to Rebekah so that God's plan would remain a matter of his choice,
Legacy Standard Bible
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that the purpose of God according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

New American Standard Bible and 1977 and 1995
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,

the purpose of God -- Of his own will he chose Jacob, yet unborn, to become the head of the chosen race, rather than Esau. Note that this election was not to eternal salvation, but to become the head of a people. As Moses, Samuel, and John the Baptist were raised up for a great work of God, so was Jacob. - PNT

J.

 

[MTMattie]

the purpose of God -- Of his own will he chose Jacob, yet unborn, to become the head of the chosen race, rather than Esau. Note that this election was not to eternal salvation, but to become the head of a people. As Moses, Samuel, and John the Baptist were raised up for a great work of God, so was Jacob. - PNT

J.

Thank you @Johann,

I know that but my reason for the posts is that the poster who used the KJV , emphasized as it was, made it appear as if

"For the children being not yet born" that this was for all children unborn as yet...

And

" the purpose of God according to election ...... of him that calleth" .... can carry the predestined belief right there... andRomans 9:11 was not intended for that as the assorted translations say.