All Claims of The Son's Deity

[civic]

Anytime God is called a He, Him, or His it refers to the Unitarian concept of God being a single person. Or do you say He, Him, His, and I don't refer to a single person?

Anytime God says WE, US, OUR it means PLURAL.

There is something called CONTEXT you leave out.

And God is a SINGULAR BEING and PLURAL in Persons.

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[praise_yeshua]

You're the one in the camp who calls God a liar, a failure to preserve His Word, not me.
Prove to me the Alexandrian Text doesn't contain thousands of errors & we'll see where the true cult lies.

The KJV contains many many errors itself. How about I start with your favorite book you make equal to God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I love the KJV. It's a highly accurate translation that rightly depicts the word of God much better than the newer versions.

Here are a few verses from the KJV that have been utterly corrupted by modern versions:

John 1
18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Romans 9
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Hebrews 1
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Titus 2
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

The KJV has its flaws but it's a very Unitarian Bible. Fortunately, it's quite popular in the trinitarian church. When people attack the KJV, realize it's because the KJV doesn't do the trinity doctrine many favors.

You planning on a mansion right?

 

[civic]

You planning on a mansion right?

just a place where Jesus is since He is God I will be in good hands.

if its good enough for Him, its good enough for me.

 

[praise_yeshua]

just a place where Jesus is since He is God I will be in good hands.

if its good enough for Him, its good enough for me.

"Ain't" that the truth.....

It is funny how these people don't mind saying the KJV is equal to God...... yet refuse to actually give a very REAL Person, Jesus Christ such honor.

 

[civic]

"Ain't" that the truth.....

It is funny how these people don't mind saying the KJV is equal to God...... yet refuse to actually give a very REAL Person, Jesus Christ such honor.

Ditto

 

[Runningman]

Anytime God says WE, US, OUR it means PLURAL.

There is something called CONTEXT you leave out.

And God is a SINGULAR BEING and PLURAL in Persons.

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God never referred to Himself as a we or us. No one ever referred to God as a they or them.

God is consistently a He, Him, His, and I throughout the Bible.

Checkmate.

 

[FreeInChrist]

The nwt fixed the errors Catholicism translated in=100% reality.

It does not matter. I showed you what the Watchtower did... and made a slight change that did not change a thing.

I really do not care.

There is a new translation that is alledged to be the best and most perfect and I found errors in it and I wont use it.

I will try to not bother you again.

Gee, I thought when their commentray said there is NO Trinity you would jump at the chance to have 2.

And their commentary is really into predestination..... too

 

[dwight92070]

God never referred to Himself as a we or us. No one ever referred to God as a they or them.

God is consistently a He, Him, His, and I throughout the Bible.

Checkmate.

So Runningham, do you worship Jesus?

 

[Runningman]

So Runningham, do you worship Jesus?

Oh "Runningham" you are so clever Dwight. No, I only follow Jesus' teachings about worship. I follow John 4:23,24 as Jesus stated.

How about you?

 

[Keiw1]

Okay, then why do your people give credit to Wescott and Hort for the provided text rather then to glorify what Jehovah did?

Dont get me wrong. I 100% believe that God could have done the work.... No reason not to.... except they did not give Him the credit and not even for the OLD Testament either cause they said they got the text from a 1906 Hebraic translation, Kittel's Biblia Hebraica . The first edition, published as a two-volume work. It was the first critical edition of the Hebrew Bible. and now is undergoing its 5th change... " Biblia Hebraica Quinta, currently in progress and expected to be completed after 2024."

so Iguess we should see what changes will come in the NWT from God, once the 5th is complete.

The NWT has undergone The New World Translation (NWT) has undergone several revisions since its initial release in 1950, with notable revisions in 1970, 1971, 1981, 1984, and a significant revision in 2013. Overall, there have been at least five major revisions

Five majot revisions reflecting on how often God has changed His mind?

Yes revisions= At the proper time( Matt 24:45)
From what i understand Franz and them didn't take credit in those editions. And showed God love and respect in the ( forward)A page near the front of bible.( 1984) edition.

 

[Keiw1]

Not only purpose. Power to execute. You don't have the power to execute. Are you perfect? Have you always been perfect?
It really is a farce for you to claim to be doing exactly what Jesus did when you're not perfect like Jesus is perfect.

God gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on Earth. Matthew 28:18)--=Thus if God did not give him those things he wouldn't have any authority. God gave him the judging as well. Jesus and his bride= 144,000( Rev 14:3) these are bought from the Earth. These will serve as kings and priests alongside of Jesus( Rev 1:6-Rev 20:6) judging as well. These are called-Little flock( Luke 12:32)- Then the Other sheep who are not of that fold( John 10:16)= Rev 7:9-Great crowd of other sheep--These inherit the Earth( Matt 5:5--Psalm 37:9,11,29-- This is bible fact.

 

[Keiw1]

Greetings Keiw1,

If Jesus Christ isn't God Almighty, can you explain why your N.W.T. states otherwise?


For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder.
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6

This is what Jehovah says,The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies:
‘I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.
Isaiah 44:6

Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called. I am the same One.
I am the first; I am also the last.
Isaiah 48:12

When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid.
I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever
and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
Revelation 1:17-18

I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 22:13

Isaiah says-His name will be called those things. At Hebrews 1:4--So he( Jesus) has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.=Without being given the name Jesus by God he became better than the angels. --Psalm 45:7--You loved righteousness and hated wickedness that is why God, your God anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions( angels)--Jesus is the firstborn of all creation.( Colossians 1:15-16)
Jesus was first and last in a few things. But he is not God. Rev 22:13 is speaking of the Father Jehovah. Because at Rev 20:1 is when this occurs--1Cor 15:24-28--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself)))= forever.

 

[Victoria]

The KJV contains many many errors itself. How about I start with your favorite book you make equal to God.

Can you show me where the Textus Receptus attacks the Godhead? The Gospel? Salvation? Etc.?
Can you show me where the Textus Receptus makes Jesus out to be a liar? A sinner? In danger of judgment? Etc.?

I also enjoy reading the Geneva, & Bishops Bible b/c I happen to love older English. Unlike you, I studied the versions debate out several years ago by doing side by side comparisons. The opposite set of manuscripts didn't fair too well.


There are three main groups concerning the Bible:

1. Those who hold that the modern translations, based on the text of Westcott and Hort (aka., Critical Text, Nestle-Aland), are more reliable than the Authorized Version of 1611 (KJV) translation, which is based upon the Greek Textus Receptus and Hebrew Masoretic Text;

2. Those who hold that the KJV is most reliable (in English) because it was translated from the Greek Textus Receptus and Hebrew Masoretic Text,

3. Those who hold that a translation such as the KJV was given by inspiration and is the preserved Word of God and is the final authority in our present world, not the Hebrew Masoretic Text and Greek Textus Receptus.

The second is the right position, the one that Scripture attests to. The third one is wrong, which I debunk in this linked report. The first one, the modern version position based upon the Critical Text, is a diabolical attack on God’s Word and under the condemnation of Rev 22:18-19 — full article under King James Only (KJO)

 

[Runningman]

Can you show me where the Textus Receptus attacks the Godhead? The Gospel? Salvation? Etc.?
Can you show me where the Textus Receptus makes Jesus out to be a liar? A sinner? In danger of judgment? Etc.?

I also enjoy reading the Geneva, & Bishops Bible b/c I happen to love older English. Unlike you, I studied the versions debate out several years ago by doing side by side comparisons. The opposite set of manuscripts didn't fair too well.


There are three main groups concerning the Bible:

1. Those who hold that the modern translations, based on the text of Westcott and Hort (aka., Critical Text, Nestle-Aland), are more reliable than the Authorized Version of 1611 (KJV) translation, which is based upon the Greek Textus Receptus and Hebrew Masoretic Text;

2. Those who hold that the KJV is most reliable (in English) because it was translated from the Greek Textus Receptus and Hebrew Masoretic Text,

3. Those who hold that a translation such as the KJV was given by inspiration and is the preserved Word of God and is the final authority in our present world, not the Hebrew Masoretic Text and Greek Textus Receptus.

The second is the right position, the one that Scripture attests to. The third one is wrong, which I debunk in this linked report. The first one, the modern version position based upon the Critical Text, is a diabolical attack on God’s Word and under the condemnation of Rev 22:18-19 — full article under King James Only (KJO)

I agree with position number 2 as well. The KJV is better than the newer versions. I still like using the newer versions because I like to show the neo-Trinitarians that it doesn't help them much.

 

[civic]

Oh "Runningham" you are so clever Dwight. No, I only follow Jesus' teachings about worship. I follow John 4:23,24 as Jesus stated.

How about you?

You just admitted/ confessed you deny the Son.

 

[Runningman]

You just admitted/ confessed you deny the Son.

So you're bearing false witness of Jesus? When did Jesus instruct anyone to worship himself?

 

[Victoria]

I agree with position number 2 as well. The KJV is better than the newer versions. I still like using the newer versions because I like to show the neo-Trinitarians that it doesn't help them much.

The newer versions actually confirm the Arian position b/c the school in Alexandria doesn't believe Jesus is God either.
So if Jesus Christ wasn't God Almighty, then He doesn't qualify to die for the sins of humanity.
Thus, you're still dead in your sins.

 

[civic]

I agree with position number 2 as well. The KJV is better than the newer versions. I still like using the newer versions because I like to show the neo-Trinitarians that it doesn't help them much.

Welcome to converting to Christianity which is Trinitarian.

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" (KJV)

 

[Runningman]

The newer versions actually confirm the Arian position b/c the school in Alexandria doesn't believe Jesus is God either.
So if Jesus Christ wasn't God Almighty, then He doesn't qualify to die for the sins of humanity.
Thus, you're still dead in your sins.

The newer versions based on the Alexandrian type manuscripts are more trinitarian. It seems someone has intentionally confused you about this at some point, not sure who or why, but there must be a good reason. Let's compare the NIV with the KJV and see which one is more trinitarian.

These say two entirely different things and have two entirely different ideas. In the KJV Jesus is not an eternal being, but is begotten. In the NIV it explicitly calls him God. A lot more examples than just this. Trinitarians rarely quote the KJV in debates anymore.

John 1 (NIV)
18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

John 1 (KJV)
18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.