Did you not learn yet that the trinity is the way to reconcile scripture that shows the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit in a consistent sense? Instead of doing that, the unitarian just denies anything that conflicts with 3 verses upon which he bases on his doctrine and reading -- via a hyperliteralist approach
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Runningman
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So you don't have any Scriptural support.
Unitarians have the entire Bible. Right off the bat in Genesis God is described as a singular person God and this continues throughout the rest of the Bible.
Genesis 1
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Deuteronomy 6
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Scripture explicitly states God is the Father, but never the Son:
Malachi 2
10Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why then do we break faith with one another so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Unitarianism confirmed
Your turn. Show us where "God is three" or where "they" created together or where God is described as more than one person.
Victoria
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I look to where the blood was shed.
We know all of God's prophets were stoned to death, John the baptist was beheaded, Jesus was crucified, & the apostles were martyred. Next, look at all the countless Bible believing Christians that were killed by Roman Catholicism. William Tyndale's life was in danger b/c he desired to place a copy of God's Word in every English speaking individual's hands (Rome wouldn't allow that). He was strangled, & then burned at the stake...
“Lord, open the king of England’s eyes!” These were the last words of William Tyndale (1494-1536)
on Friday, October 6th, 1536, just before he was strangled and burned at the stake.
Once king James came along to answer that prayer, he became a threat. Why?
A traditional rhyme that commemorates the failure of the Gunpowder Plot, a conspiracy
to assassinate King James I in 1605. Learn the lyrics, history and meaning
of this poem associated with Guy Fawkes Night in the UK.
The Fifth of November (Guy Fawkes Night Poem)
Remember, remember!
The fifth of November,
The Gunpowder treason and plot;
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot!
Guy Fawkes and his companions
Did the scheme contrive,
To blow the King and Parliament
All up alive.
Threescore barrels, laid below,
To prove old England's overthrow.
But, by God's providence, him they catch,
With a dark lantern, lighting a match!
A stick and a stake
For King James's sake!
If you won't give me one,
I'll take two,
The better for me,
And the worse for you.
A rope, a rope, to hang the Pope,
A penn'orth of cheese to choke him,
A pint of beer to wash it down,
And a jolly good fire to burn him.
Holloa, boys! holloa, boys! make the bells ring!
Holloa, boys! holloa boys! God save the King!
Hip, hip, hooor-r-r-ray!
This is why I believe God's pure Word can only be found in the Textus Receptus "aka" 5,000+ copies of manuscripts that can be traced back to Jerusalem (Hebrew), & Antioch (Aramaic & Greek).
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.
Romans 3:1-2
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:26
so you are arguing against multiple gods. so what!!! Do you want to reject one heresy in order to preserve yours?So you don't have any Scriptural support.
Unitarians have the entire Bible. Right off the bat in Genesis God is described as a singular person God and this continues throughout the rest of the Bible.
Genesis 1
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Deuteronomy 6
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Scripture explicitly states God is the Father, but never the Son:
Malachi 2
10Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why then do we break faith with one another so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Unitarianism confirmed
Your turn. Show us where "God is three" or where "they" created together or where God is described as more than one person.
Who has argued that there are separate gods in scripture? I guess you do not even know what you are arguing against when we talk about the Triune God -- except you are arguing against the Triune God as he as revealed himself.
Victoria
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You're the one in the camp who calls God a liar, a failure to preserve His Word, not me.
Prove to me the Alexandrian Text doesn't contain thousands of errors & we'll see where the true cult lies.
Runningman
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I love the KJV. It's a highly accurate translation that rightly depicts the word of God much better than the newer versions.
Here are a few verses from the KJV that have been utterly corrupted by modern versions:
John 1
18No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Romans 9
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Hebrews 1
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Titus 2
13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The KJV has its flaws but it's a very Unitarian Bible. Fortunately, it's quite popular in the trinitarian church. When people attack the KJV, realize it's because the KJV doesn't do the trinity doctrine many favors.
Victoria
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Greetings Keiw1,
If Jesus Christ isn't God Almighty, can you explain why your N.W.T. states otherwise?
For a child has been born to us, A son has been given to us; And the rulership will rest on his shoulder.
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6
This is what Jehovah says,The King of Israel and his Repurchaser, Jehovah of armies:
‘I am the first and I am the last. There is no God but me.
Isaiah 44:6
Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I have called. I am the same One.
I am the first; I am also the last.
Isaiah 48:12
When I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid.
I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever
and ever, and I have the keys of death and of the Grave.
Revelation 1:17-18
I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Revelation 22:13
Runningman
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The Bible affirms there is but one singular person who is God from cover to cover. There is no trinity god according to anything in the Bible. Did you read the verses I just showed you? Show the trinity in the bible or you and the trinity take a hike. This has gone on for way too long at this point.
come out with a proof of your novel doctrine that satisfies a group of theologians and scholars. You need to prove your doctrine to others before you try to make your private belief system as something for a broader audience.
Victoria
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So you're basically calling God a liar, & a failure. Man is the final authority, correct?
Runningman
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Unitarianism doesn't have any doctrines about God aside from just what the Bible simply states.
You know, a doctrine is a teaching about something in a religion. The doctrine of the Trinity begins with the premise that there are three persons in one God. It uses verses from all around the Bible, a little here and a little there, and it concludes God is a trinity, but the premise or the conclusion of the doctrine is not repeated in the Bible.
How this is different from Unitarianism is that God is one person. The Bible explicitly states this directly, clearly, and repeatedly thousands of times. So the Bible states God is one person, but it doesn't state God is three persons. So God being one person isn't a doctrine, it's just sola scriptura.
So you, instead of having doctrine about God, you decide simply to twist what the Bible simply says about Jesus as Deity and having pre-existed with the Father. That is your horrendous choice.
You do not know the Triune understanding of God that you are trying to deny, as such your arguments remain ignorant and ill-fitted to the task you try to take. As noted so many times, the evidence of the Holy Spirit and the Deity of Christ are the evidence in scripture. So what if resolving this in light of the Shema (Deut 6:4) has to be developed so as not to reject the testimony of scripture!
You lie again when you say God is one person in that you deny Christ Jesus is God and, missing the obvious, that the Holy Spirit is God. There is no verse saying the Father is in isolation from the other divine ones we see in scripture. You make it up because you are so dedicated to deny the Son.
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Runningman
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No, but the the KJV has some flaws that are not accurate. For example, in Revelation 1:12-20 there are the seven "candlesticks" but John wouldn't have known about holders for candlesticks. The correct word there is regarding lampstands which would have been about oil lamps. Just a few off things here and there.
So I find it a bit extreme that you would automatically ask if I am calling God a liar. God doesn't control people and force them to be accurate when they translate the Bible. This is why we must do our best to discern what it says, with prayer of course.
Victoria
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How does this disprove the Godhead?
Runningman
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I am not trying to disprove the Godhead, if by that you mean God the Father.
Victoria
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What many Christians just don't realize is that God's Word is alive, it reads us as we read Him. If you want to find errors to fit whatever position you insist on holding, not allowing the Holy Spirit to minister the truth unto you, guess what... He'll answer according the idols found in your heart. Those who don't desire the truth, He blinds. An Old Testament example...
And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity
before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel
that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face,
and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude
of his idols; That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all
estranged from me through their idols.
Ezekiel 14:2-5
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing
even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is
a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
God's Word is not a game. This has eternal consequences
And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity
before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel
that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face,
and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude
of his idols; That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all
estranged from me through their idols.
Ezekiel 14:2-5
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing
even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is
a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
God's Word is not a game. This has eternal consequences
Runningman
Active Member
You have quite a wall of Scripture to get past to push your doctrines of demons that promote idolatry. The Shema doesn't include Jesus, as Jesus is never included in such a thing.
Deuteronomy 6
3Hear, O Israel, and be careful to observe them, so that you may prosper and multiply greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your fathers, has promised you.
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One. 5And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Among many other titles and names, the God of our fathers and YHWH are something Jesus is never called in all of Scripture. Jesus is entirely distinct from God and people never identified Jesus as such.
Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus.
Additionally, Paul defines the Shema with the exclusivity of the Father:
1 Corinthians 8
4So about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
So emotional rants about who you think God is don't trump Scripture.
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civic
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nothing in the 66 books of the bible affirm the uni concept of God, it confirms the Trinitarian view of God being Plural is correct.So you don't have any Scriptural support.
Unitarians have the entire Bible. Right off the bat in Genesis God is described as a singular person God and this continues throughout the rest of the Bible.
Genesis 1
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Deuteronomy 6
4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Scripture explicitly states God is the Father, but never the Son:
Malachi 2
10Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why then do we break faith with one another so as to profane the covenant of our fathers?
Unitarianism confirmed
Your turn. Show us where "God is three" or where "they" created together or where God is described as more than one person.
next fallacy
Runningman
Active Member
Yes, amen.What many Christians just don't realize is that God's Word is alive, it reads us as we read Him. If you want to find errors to fit whatever position you insist on holding, not allowing the Holy Spirit to minister the truth unto you, guess what... He'll answer according the idols found in your heart. Those who don't desire the truth, He blinds. An Old Testament example...
And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity
before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them?
Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel
that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face,
and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude
of his idols; That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all
estranged from me through their idols.
Ezekiel 14:2-5
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing
even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is
a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Hebrews 4:12
God's Word is not a game. This has eternal consequences
Runningman
Active Member
Anytime God is called a He, Him, or His it refers to the Unitarian concept of God being a single person. Or do you say He, Him, His, and I don't refer to a single person?
