All Claims of The Son's Deity

[mikesw]

Show the verse that says to believe Jesus is God as part of the gospel. Don't make another argument that goes on for weeks either. Just get to the point.

John 1:18
The arguments go on for weeks since you fail to comprehend basic scriptures. If you had not completely forgotten the discussions done before, you would not be repeating the same misconceptions over and over and over and over agin.

Show the verse from the Old Testament that shows Jesus pre-existing then. Don't make another argument that goes on for weeks either. Just get to the point.

uh. Do you mean a verse that says "this is what we shared as the Angel of the Lord who then becomes incarnate with the name Jesus, as spelled in the English"? I'm sorry that God has made the scriptures to be rejected by unitarians who then may miss out on being justified through God incarnate.

 

[praise_yeshua]

This is the version you used, affirming the personhood of God and how Jesus is an express image of a different person than himself.

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Person is an English word. I'm not bound by English.

 

[Runningman]

Do the offspring of God die? What is the difference between gold, silver and stone than ashes. Ashes is what you're going to become.

Yes, they all died and they can all be resurrected just like Jesus. It seems you are starting to see Jesus is the example of what we can have.

 

[Runningman]

I know you want to control everything. I can show how to resist your evil ways.

Well, you certainly won't be controlling what I talk about. You are free to talk about what you wish.

So do you know what the word begotten means? I think this is actually something most trinitarians have come to reject. There is a movement to dust bin the KJV because it's a Unitarian translation of the Bible. It doesn't have the little changes here and there that newer versions have that trinitarians enjoy more.

 

[Runningman]

Person is an English word. I'm not bound by English.

Personhood means that God is a singular person. That's what I believe too.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yes, they all died and they can all be resurrected just like Jesus. It seems you are starting to see Jesus is the example of what we can have.

Jesus never became ashes. You will. He is better than you. So stop saying you're going to be resurrected just like Jesus. You're not.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Personhood means that God is a singular person. That's what I believe too.

Again. I'm not bound by English. How many times do I have to say that about you. Person is a translation. The concept of "Personhood" is greatly misunderstood. I know need the word "Person" to speak for all the intricate qualities of the Greek source.

So stop being a child. Stop trying to bind me to what you think "Person" means.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus never became ashes. You will. He is better than you. So stop saying you're going to be resurrected just like Jesus. You're not.

According to Scripture, I will be resurrected.

John 6:39-40
“This is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

 

[mikesw]

Well, I am pleased to see you used the version of Hebrews 1:3 that says God is a person. That's what I believe too.

The word translated as person in the translation you are using is hypostasis. That of course reflects its sense used in the Trinitarian doctrine. The word means essence -- what someone or something truly is. You ought to avoid using Trinitarian words if you want to argue for unitarian beliefs

Also, a human does not do this -- upholding all things by the word of his power. You simply must stop trying to twist Trinitarian scripture into unitarian arguments.

 

[Runningman]

Again. I'm not bound by English. How many times do I have to say that about you. Person is a translation. The concept of "Personhood" is greatly misunderstood. I know need the word "Person" to speak for all the intricate qualities of the Greek source.

So stop being a child. Stop trying to bind me to what you think "Person" means.

You will be bound to the language, vocabulary, and definitions the Bible provides. Or do you reject the Bible's authority as well?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Well, you certainly won't be controlling what I talk about. You are free to talk about what you wish.

So do you know what the word begotten means? I think this is actually something most trinitarians have come to reject. There is a movement to dust bin the KJV because it's a Unitarian translation of the Bible. It doesn't have the little changes here and there that newer versions have that trinitarians enjoy more.

To you the same. You obviously, like every Unitarian, don't want to deal with the word "Only".

 

[praise_yeshua]

You will be bound to the language, vocabulary, and definitions the Bible provides. Or do you reject the Bible's authority as well?

The Bible wasn't written in English. Nor Latin. English is bound by Latin.

 

[Runningman]

The word translated as person in the translation you are using is hypostasis. That of course reflects its sense used in the Trinitarian doctrine. The word means essence -- what someone or something truly is. You ought to avoid using Trinitarian words if you want to argue for unitarian beliefs

Also, a human does not do this -- upholding all things by the word of his power. You simply must stop trying to twist Trinitarian scripture into unitarian arguments.

So you do believe God is a person , singular. Perfect. In trinitarianism, you have three persons who are one god. In the Bible, we have one person who is one God. See the difference? God can't be other persons since God is a person. Why you all normally want to de-person and dethrone God from His position of exclusive deity is because you want to share His status with others. Scripture doesn't accept that kind of distortion of God.

 

[Runningman]

To you the same. You obviously, like every Unitarian, don't want to deal with the word "Only".

Oh I love that word. That's in John 17:3. Do you want to deal with it with me?

 

[mikesw]

Oh I love that word. That's in John 17:3. Do you want to deal with it with me?

you already demonstrated your abuse of that text. Have you decided to change your view yet? Do you want to start learning scripture in its context?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Oh I love that word. That's in John 17:3. Do you want to deal with it with me?

How about Hebrews 11:17

 

[Runningman]

How about Hebrews 11:17

Yeah, there was a point in which Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham. At that time, yes, then later Abraham had more and Isaac wasn't his only begotten son anymore. Remember that timeline I was talking about? God has other offspring who aren't Jesus as Acts 17 says.

 

[Runningman]

you already demonstrated your abuse of that text. Have you decided to change your view yet? Do you want to start learning scripture in its context?

john 17:1-3 is an explicit declaration concerning who the only true God is: the Father.

 

[mikesw]

john 17:1-3 is an explicit declaration concerning who the only true God is: the Father.

blah, blah, blah. You still neglect John 17:5. I would have thought you would know to address more of the passage by now. have you forgotten all discussions before?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Yeah, there was a point in which Isaac was the only begotten son of Abraham. At that time, yes, then later Abraham had more and Isaac wasn't his only begotten son anymore. Remember that timeline I was talking about? God has other offspring who aren't Jesus as Acts 17 says.

Keep rambling. Ishmael was before Isaac. Do you know the names of the mothers?

Isaac was unique among the sons. You have no idea why.