All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Runningman]

Scripture clearly states He was with the Father in the Genesis creation account- John 1, John 17, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1, 1 Corinthians 8:6.

How much evidence do you need ?

Your revelation verse proves He was there in the creation account.

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hope this helps !!!

Read Genesis 1 again. There is no mention of God being a trinity there. No mention of God being a trinity thereafter, nor called a they, or described by anyone in such a way as to hint they thought God was three.

Scripture teaches that YHWH is one person. Begin there.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

 

[Runningman]

It can only be called a cheap trick by someone who follows failed exegesis. The concept is of first cause not of first one created. You grasp for straws but call them diamonds.
Please write this in to a file or somewhere so you do not repeat the same mistakes over and over again.

I didn't see you find a way to undo Revelation 3:14, not surprising.

 

[mikesw]

It can only be called a cheap trick by someone who follows failed exegesis. The concept is of first cause not of first one created. You grasp for straws but call them diamonds.

Read Genesis 1 again. There is no mention of God being a trinity there. No mentioned of God being a trinity thereafter, nor called a they, or described by anyone in such a way as to hint they thought God was three.

Scripture teaches that YHWH is one person. Begin there.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

You are trying to deny that God can reveal things he did not share earlier in time.

 

[mikesw]

I didn't see you find a way to undo Revelation 3:14, not surprising.

That is because you essentially have not understood the text in the first place. Maybe I could write it out in more detail but that really should not be necessary to get you properly oriented.
Do I have to guess why you do not even like advice for refinement of exegetical approaches?

 

[Runningman]

Well if one does not yet understand and and believe the fact that God is a Trinity. "I pity the fool" you been waiting for that one right?

But their is still hope for them.

Since God, Jesus, and the prophets don't believe in the trinity, you should be more careful with your words. Otherwise, funny roleplaying.

 

[Blessed]

Read Genesis 1 again. There is no mention of God being a trinity there. No mentioned of God being a trinity thereafter, nor called a they, or described by anyone in such a way as to hint they thought God was three.

Scripture teaches that YHWH is one person. Begin there.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

One God with 3 persons the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have personhood or personality. That is, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have intellect, emotion, and volition.

All three Persons of the Trinity comprise the one, perfectly unified God. They share the same nature and essence, and they are all the same God, but each individual Person of the Trinity is distinct and unique.

 

[civic]

Read Genesis 1 again. There is no mention of God being a trinity there. No mention of God being a trinity thereafter, nor called a they, or described by anyone in such a way as to hint they thought God was three.

Scripture teaches that YHWH is one person. Begin there.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

Argument from silence in addition to isolating a passage from the rest of the biblical narrative on the creation.

I'll start using this fallacy for the uni's- the cherry picking fallacy

The cherry picking fallacy is the act of selectively presenting evidence to support a particular argument while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This can be done intentionally or unintentionally, by choosing only the most favorable facts, anecdotes, or data points and dismissing the rest to create a misleading impression. This fallacy is often a symptom of confirmation bias and is a common tactic in poor science and denialism.

 

[Runningman]

That is because you essentially have not understood the text in the first place. Maybe I could write it out in more detail but that really should not be necessary to get you properly oriented.

You're practically an atheist and you think you can orient me. Where do these people come from. This is outreach for you people. If you have an argument to try to debunk Scripture, bring it forward and I will knock it down like I have did all of the other arguments.

 

[Runningman]

Argument from silence in addition to isolating a passage from the rest of the biblical narrative on the creation.

I'll start using this fallacy for the uni's- the cherry picking fallacy

The cherry picking fallacy is the act of selectively presenting evidence to support a particular argument while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This can be done intentionally or unintentionally, by choosing only the most favorable facts, anecdotes, or data points and dismissing the rest to create a misleading impression. This fallacy is often a symptom of confirmation bias and is a common tactic in poor science and denialism.

Scripture explicitly states God is One, but you're calling God three. That means trinitarianism is false as Scripture explicitly teaches.

 

[civic]

Scripture explicitly states God is One, but you're calling God three. That means trinitarianism is false as Scripture explicitly teaches.

Scripture explicitly declares the Son was in the beginning and the creator.

This means unitarianism is false.

 

[mikesw]

You're practically an atheist and you think you can orient me. Where do these people come from. This is outreach for you people. If you have an argument to try to debunk Scripture, bring it forward and I will knock it down like I have did all of the other arguments.

I just added to that post you quoted. You are not even willing to accept feedback on your errors in exegesis. Is there a reason you do not want to improve interpretation skills?

 

[mikesw]

Argument from silence in addition to isolating a passage from the rest of the biblical narrative on the creation.

I'll start using this fallacy for the uni's- the cherry picking fallacy

The cherry picking fallacy is the act of selectively presenting evidence to support a particular argument while ignoring evidence that contradicts it. This can be done intentionally or unintentionally, by choosing only the most favorable facts, anecdotes, or data points and dismissing the rest to create a misleading impression. This fallacy is often a symptom of confirmation bias and is a common tactic in poor science and denialism.

I did create a thread for aberrant unitarian doctrines. You could post the point there

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Thread 'What are Some Unitarian Variant Doctrines'

Jun 9, 2025

It may help to see how the unitarian central view functions as the root of various other unorthodox doctrines. In doing so it may help to share the points with respect to various distinct versions of unitarianism so that a unitarian universalist view is distinguished from other unitarian sects.

Of an unspecified unitarianism, one aspect seen here is the tying of a legalism or works-orientation as part of becoming justified. The other is the idea of some sort of spiritism that is not really God's Spirit as distinct, but rather a vague change for a Christian.

I saw on one group is their...

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Oh. That is how another thread appears within a new post. I had not checked into that.

 

[Runningman]

One God with 3 persons the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have personhood or personality. That is, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit each have intellect, emotion, and volition.

All three Persons of the Trinity comprise the one, perfectly unified God. They share the same nature and essence, and they are all the same God, but each individual Person of the Trinity is distinct and unique.

Thanks for sharing your opinions, but that isn't what the Bible says.

Scripture repeatedly states there is no other God aside from YHWH.

Isaiah 45:5-6
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me...
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me.

YHWH is repeatedly called Father, but never Son:

Deuteronomy 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy Father that hath bought thee?
hath he not made thee, and established thee?

The New Testament explicitly identifies the Father as the one and only true God in John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6.

Conclusion, the trinity is a fake god.

 

[mikesw]

Thanks for sharing your opinions, but that isn't what the Bible says.

Scripture repeatedly states there is no other God aside from YHWH.

Isaiah 45:5-6
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me...
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me.

YHWH is repeatedly called Father, but never Son:

Deuteronomy 32:6
Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy Father that hath bought thee?
hath he not made thee, and established thee?

The New Testament explicitly identifies the Father as the one and only true God in John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:6, Ephesians 4:6.

Conclusion, the trinity is a fake God.

The bible also shows Jesus is of that oneness in the Godhead. The bible also shows the preexistence before incarnation as Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

You are trying to deny that God can reveal things he did not share earlier in time.

So you're laying claim to the secret knowledge fallacy, a common tactic used by deceivers, because you want to usurp authority away from Scripture and make people listen to you instead. Notice how nothing you say is repeated in the Bible. When I show you what the Bible says you say it's wrong, essentially, or needs to be "interpreted" correctly.

 

[FreeInChrist]

@amazing

Yep, now you are trying to change what you have said and this is what you said:

Definitely not what you are claiming you said.
What doesn't make sense is to call him the Son of God who is God.

Maybe I can simplify it this way.

We have the "Grace" family.

We have Papa Grace who is the breadwinner of the house. The one where the buck stops for everything... or should.

We have Mama Grace who is the keeper of the house. The one who cook, cleans, goes to PTA and bridge club or lunch with the girls. I am old enough to remember when it was an honor to be on such a pedestal.

We have Junior Grace. who is the biological offspring from Papa and Mama. Student, into sports, and has his list of chores.

Everyone has their own "job" and every one is a Grace.

Say these folks go to a town picnic and get separated when Papa goes off to play bocce, Mama goes off to see the pie judging contest, and Junior wanders off to look for a rock for his collection .

All of a sudden Junior gets lost and while he is trying to find his way someone comes along and askes his name so he can call
and say Junior is found. And Junior simply said Grace just like PAPA would have simply said Grace.
And back at the picnic, Papa looking for Junior starts saying to people I am Grace, have you seen my son?
Same with Mama. She asks if anyone has see her son and they ask her who she is ad she says Grace.

All 3 are Grace and Junior Grace is Papa Graces Son. Junior is Grace and is Papa Graces Son.

Why is this difficult to understand?

 

[Runningman]

I just added to that post you quoted. You are not even willing to accept feedback on your errors in exegesis. Is there a reason you do not want to improve interpretation skills?

No need. I already know what the Bible says about the Father being the only true God.

 

[mikesw]

So you're laying claim to the secret knowledge fallacy, a common tactic used by deceivers, because you want to usurp authority away from Scripture and make people listen to you instead. Notice how nothing you say is repeated in the Bible. When I show you what the Bible says you say it's wrong, essentially, or needs to be "interpreted" correctly.

Haha. It is only secret knowledge if you do not read the rest of scripture. You have just testified against yourself.

 

[mikesw]

No need. I already know what the Bible says about the Father being the only true God.

You have denied basic exegesis but now claim to have private knowledge.

 

[Runningman]

The bible also shows Jesus is of that oneness in the Godhead. The bible also shows the preexistence before incarnation as Jesus.

You all don't understand what it means to be one with God. Jesus is one with God, but so are others. Bad reasoning to conclude that being one with God means someone is God.

We know that being one spirit with the Holy Spirit doesn't make someone the Holy Spirit, but that's what you seem to think.

1 Corinthians 8
17But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.