Peterlag
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I was never in Schoenheits group. We are just from the same schools. And if you meet me in heaven you will not be able to say nobody told you.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Runningman
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I'm pretty sure if Jesus was here right now and going around the forum saying the Father is the only true God, saying that he is a man who learned the truth from God, a man who does whatever the Father says to do, was empowered by the Father, had a different will than the Father, and is God's son then they would call him a student of Schoenheit too.
You are in it by reputation and putting your trust in him instead of in Christ.
Peterlag
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My spirit is not telling you anything. It's the Scripture I'm quoting...
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
You would follow that false christ because you do not recognize the true Son of God. You too are getting rather desperate to hold on to your odd ideas.
The scripture is great. What I do not trust is your alternative spirit that diminishes who the true Christ is.
Peterlag
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I have been saying for years that if Jesus was here he could not get on most of these sites to say who he is. And on this one he would be called an idiot too. I just read about this in John as I skimmed the book in a few minutes. Jesus said they hated me and they will hate you.
Peterlag
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I went to school with him. He was never one of my teachers.
Victoria
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Ahhh, I see what you're saying! Paul, specifically, teaches us that believers are all one in Christ Jesus (Romans 12:5; 1 Corinthians 12:12; Galatians 3:28; etc.), given we're all members of His body. We are God's husbandry, as Paul also describes (1 Corinthians 3:9). He then goes on to explain the Judgment Seat of Christ...
"For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." 1 Corinthians 3:9-15
Victoria
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It attacks the fundamentals (i.e. Jesus, Gospels, means of salvation) of Christianity in the KJB?
101G
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not the Body but the GODHEAD. scripture, OT first. Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."
FELLOW: H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.
NOTICED definition #2. concretely), kindred man, meaning God shared in flesh.
now the NT. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
OFFSPRING: G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
BINGO, there is our answer, "kin" as in KINsman Redeemer. and this KINsman Redeemer as the OFFSPRING can be translated as diversity, opp's there it is. now let's see this word "DIVERSITY" clear as day in the scriptures, 1 Corinthians 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:5 "And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord." 1 Corinthians 12:6 "And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all."
that term "differences " is also diversities
G1243 διαίρεσις diairesis (d̮iy-ai'-re-sis) n.
a distinction or (concretely) variety.
[from G1244]
KJV: difference, diversity
Root(s): G1244
SAME "Lord", SAME "Spirit", SAME "GOD". Bingo.
God put thing right in front of us, we must be as kings.... Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."
BE a king ... V.
101G.
Victoria
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Shorter, more concise... but are you absolutely sure it's better? Please don't answer this question for me, for it doesn't concern me. We all have to be honest w/ ourselves, but most importantly, w/ God. I'd suggest being openminded in comparing the Traditional Text w/ the Alexandrian Text in the modern translations, side by side.
Whatever we decide is between us, & Him. Again, this doesn't concern me.
That's His deity, begotten, that there is the difference. No one else holds that title, but Jesus Christ alone.
B/c Jesus Christ isn't God's only Son, or one & only Son... He's the begotten Son of God... captial "S" Son of God.
That separates Him from God's other sons mentioned in the Bible.
There weren't over 100 scroll Aramaic/Greek translations in Antioch to choose from, was what I was trying to convey. No one ever felt the translation at the time in their language was faulty, & needed to be revised.
2 Timothy 2:15 doesn't read the same in the modern translations, was the point I was trying to convey here.
We don't need the originals. That's a strawman. I've shown at least two examples of God providing copies (i.e. Exodus, Jeremiah). It's copies consistently used all throughout history (i.e. Traditional Text that dates back to Jerusalem, & Antioch).
2 Timothy 2:15 teaches us how to study, how to rightly divide so believers can understand what God is, & is not doing today. It's a test of how well we listen to Him, & obey Him, & do His good pleasure (2 Timothy 2:15; 1 Timothy 2:3-4). Satan stands before God day, & night... accusing, slandering, mocking, laughing... even at God!
It's in other areas where those fundamentals are heavily under attack. Question is, can we discern Satan's crafty ways? Again, you don't have to answer this question for me, just yourself, & God most importantly. Let's please let it at that
Runningman
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I haven't found any Bibles that attack itself. Maybe the most extreme non-literal versions like The Passion Translation or The Message do a bit just because of how non-Biblical they are. If I had to pick good literal translation, overall, I would chose the KJB, but I am just saying it has errors, despite it having a heavy Unitarian lean to it. I don't throw the good out with the bad.
For example the KJB is more Unitarian than some of the modern "New Age" Bibles...
In the KJB Jesus is not portrayed as God in Romans 9 5:
Romans 9
5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
In the NIV, Jesus is portrayed as God:
Romans 9
5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
There are several other examples. You can see how John 1:18 and Titus 2:13 don't have Jesus portrayed as God in the KJB, but other modern New Age bibles do.
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Victoria
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Nowhere in Paul's epistles does he ever say we're all one in the Godhead
God alone is the Godhead, we're notBe a king? Am I not the wrong gender for that?
You're something else, 101G
I think I'll just stick w/ being an Ambassador for Christ
I just believe Arians were not taught what Bible lexicons are.
I seldom see them consult it either.
That will be the problem to those who professed to be Christian and do not follow Christ teaching.
I just believe including the Arians that does not remain in the teaching of Jesus in Mat 28:19,
does not have God also. (2John 1:9)
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
2Jn 1:9 Anyone who goes too far and does not remain in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who remains in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
The "ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape" for the voices that were heard, and the forms that were seen under the Old Testament dispensation, from the first of this kind in Eden's garden, to the incarnation of Christ, which are ascribed to God, or to a divine person, were either by the ministry of angels, or they were voices uttered by the Son of God, or forms assumed by Him, who often appeared in an human form, as a prelude of His incarnation; so that it was unusual, and wonderful, and remarkable, that the Father should bear a testimony to the Sonship of Christ by a voice from heaven at Jesus baptism.
Jesus is the Word, an account in the Old Testament that the LORD revealed Himself to Samuel by the word of the LORD.
1Sa 3:21 And the LORD appeared again at Shiloh, because the LORD revealed Himself to Samuel at Shiloh by the word of the LORD.
Peterlag
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Who's voice said this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased?
e v e
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you don't believe Christ spoke to the prophets and Moses?
the kjv is the corrupt scroll
the sealed vision
Peterlag
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Baptizing in the name of the father, son, and spirit is not taught or practiced anywhere in the book of Acts or in any other part of the New Testament. Nobody carried out such a request that Trinitarians say came from Jesus. So even if 1 John 5:7 and Matthew 28:19 were originally written by the Apostles. It still does not fit with the rest of the Bible because we are immersed in the spirit when we are born again. We get that spirit by confessing the Lord Jesus, and believing that God raised him from the dead. Thus we are immersed in his name.
Through the context of the text, it needs to be from the Father as Jesus said "He has testified about Me," and after the anytime applies.
John 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.
Is Matthew 28:19 is the teaching of Jesus or not?
To be followed or not?
