All Claims of The Son's Deity

[GallagherM]

I just personally don't got the time.

What saves people is not the trinity.

It's faith in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Yeshua.

Anyway, enjoy your morning. My you walk in the power of the resurrected Lord Yeshua, and allow God to work on your mind and heart and be blessed, even through the suffering.

 

[FreeInChrist]

If you say so my guy. People have all kinds of opinions and beliefs.

No one should ever believe me. I believe Jesus already came back.

In 70AD?

I dont believe this is a salvation issue. It's actually a worldview issue for most.

Dont know what one could want from me... other than to hear ya out, and I hear ya...

I dont believe Israel today established in 1948, is the same Israel that recieved the commandments from God with Moses coming down the mountain. Nor are does it have anything to do with the Heavenly Israel.

I do.

PS: Check out the Co-pilot rewrite.

 

[GallagherM]

I dont.

Just made breakfast - you can watch me talk if you want to.

I say the f word one time in a 10 minute frame. If that offends you don't watch.

 

[101G]

Nowhere in Paul's epistles does he ever say we're all one in the Godhead God alone is the Godhead, we're not

GINOLJC, to all.
1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

one more, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

now think V, are you in, in, in, in, Christ Jesus... and the Lord Jesus is the ONLY ... GODHEAD..... hello?

Be a king? Am I not the wrong gender for that?
You're something else, 101G

I think I'll just stick w/ being an Ambassador for Christ

V, V, V, oh V, listen, Galatians 3:28 "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

V, gender have nothing to do with being a king in christ Jesus. you're still in flesh if you think that way... listen up, being a king has nothing to do with GENDER, but everything to do with FUNCTION.

V, get out of the flesh. understand, "FUNCTION"..... example, Leviticus 16:20 "And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:" Leviticus 16:21 "And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:"

V, Arron, the High Priest is a MALE in Gender, correct, but his hands are female, listen ,
Hands: H3027 יָד yad (yawd) n-f.
1. a hand (the open one (indicating power, means, direction, etc.), in distinction from H3709, the closed one).
2. used (as noun, adverb, etc.) in a great variety of applications, both literally and figuratively, both proximate and remote (as follows).
[a primitive word]
KJV: (+ be) able, X about, + armholes, at, axletree, because of, beside, border, X bounty, + broad, (broken-)handed, X by, charge, coast, + consecrate, + creditor, custody, debt, dominion, X enough, + fellowship, force, X from, hand(-staves, -y work), X he, himself, X in, labour, + large, ledge, (left-)handed, means, X mine, ministry, near, X of, X order, ordinance, X our, parts, pain, power, X presumptuously, service, side, sore, state, stay, draw with strength, stroke, + swear, terror, X thee, X by them, X themselves, X thine own, X thou, through, X throwing, + thumb, times, X to, X under, X us, X wait on, (way-)side, where, + wide, X with (him, me, you), work, + yield, X yourselves.
See also: H3709

see it? his hands are feminine .... H3027 יָד yad (yawd) n-f. WHY, because of their FUNCTION, hands ... CARRY ... just as a woman carry a child in her womb, it's describing a FUNCTION, and not a GENDER.

Renew your mind, THINK ..... Hebrew and not fleshly western.... ok. Good....

I think I'll just stick w/ being an Ambassador for Christ

agreed, remember for christ, there is neither male nor female... but a excellent Ambassador for Christ, (smile), Good choice. Yea!

101G.

 

[101G]

2 Timothy 2:15 teaches us how to study, how to rightly divide so believers can understand what God is, & is not doing today.

yes study, BUT, ...... and that's one t in but, ..... but, studying alone will not get or give anyone any understanding of God. LISTEN, God must be revealed unto you. many years ago, he God, the Holy Ghost, the Lord Jesus revealed unto 101G. that very scripture, 2 Timothy 2:15. see, we study to show ourselves to God that we're interested in his word, and in showing, thus he reveals himself to us.

understand, studying is not to "LEARN" God, for God must reveal himself unto us, which no book knowledge can achieve. 101G is not against education. for there is no greater weapon ... beside God word, than an educated man or woman of God. just don't put one's education ahead of God wisdom and knowledge, ok. use your education in helping you to understand what God will reveal unto you. and rest in his WISDOM, and UNDERSTANDING and not our earthly wisdom. put God first and one will never go wrong.

101G.

 

[GallagherM]

It’s entirely valid for individuals to study the Word on their own. They can listen to others, weigh their perspectives, and consider various interpretations. But ultimately, each person must think for themselves—discerning truth through personal conviction and spiritual guidance. Without this, there’s a risk of being emotionally manipulated or controlled by the opinions of others.

Scripture encourages this kind of discernment: “Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:19–21). We are called to examine everything carefully, not blindly follow any voice—mine included.

So be encouraged. Seek truth with humility and boldness. “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32). May the resurrected Spirit of the Lord Yeshua guide you—not into bondage to human traditions, but into the freedom and clarity that comes from walking in the Spirit.




The quotation of "2 Timothy" is Paul reminding Timothy concerning the Old Testament, it is not the Apostolic Record. Many people do not read the old testament but is cool to do... though when it comes to the Law it will break you in every way. Thank Yahavah, Yahweh, God, that Yeshua came and fulfilled those things by loving God first and loving his neighbor as himself in giving up his life in order to restore all things as they were in the beginning spiritually, today.

 

[101G]

I'm someone who believes that when Jesus was walking the earth. God was working in him by the spirit, as Yeshua being the Word of God, and Yeshua died on the cross, and Yahavah/Yehovah/Yahweh/Jehovah the God above all gods raised Yeshua up by the holy spirit

Greeting fellow Alabamian, Who raised up the Christ... Jesus? lets see. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?" John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?" John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body." John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

so, 101G ask, "did not the Lord Jesus say.... he would raise up his own body". knowing this, either the Lord Jesus is God, or he Lied... (God forbid), your choice.

101G.

 

[GallagherM]

I dont listen or talk to 101g.

 

[101G]

I dont listen or talk to 101g.

Good then stay in darkness. oh excuse my manners, welcome to the forum. now, good day.

101G.

 

[GallagherM]

I dont.

Just made breakfast - you can watch me talk if you want to.

I say the f word one time in a 10 minute frame. If that offends you don't watch.

Thanks for anyone who kind of see what I am like... I'm very silly person if anything. Love life while you can. It's difficult, with depression, anxity, worry and all the things we have to do as human beings from work, to family, and our hobbies.

May you live by the spirit of the resurrected Lord Yeshua! God loves you! Cares for you. And Doesn't hate you.

 

[amazing grace]

Shorter, more concise... but are you absolutely sure it's better? Please don't answer this question for me, for it doesn't concern me. We all have to be honest w/ ourselves, but most importantly, w/ God. I'd suggest being openminded in comparing the Traditional Text w/ the Alexandrian Text in the modern translations, side by side.

Whatever we decide is between us, & Him. Again, this doesn't concern me.

You seemed very concerned and interested in the subject - enough to post about it.

That's His deity, begotten, that there is the difference. No one else holds that title, but Jesus Christ alone.

As I said anyone reading and really wanting to study will look into a Concordance and find the Greek meaning for "only".
And they can read the records of his birth although I think the subject of his deity will be harder to find. Son of God does not equal God . . . God has always been - Jesus was born.

B/c Jesus Christ isn't God's only Son, or one & only Son... He's the begotten Son of God... captial "S" Son of God.
That separates Him from God's other sons mentioned in the Bible.

Why is 'begotten' so important to you? Most people know when reading about Jesus that he is the only, the only begotten Son.
The thing about the "capital S' . . . God didn't put that there . . . the transcribers, translators did that.

There weren't over 100 scroll Aramaic/Greek translations in Antioch to choose from, was what I was trying to convey. No one ever felt the translation at the time in their language was faulty, & needed to be revised.

Of course not!! What we have has been translated from bits and pieces of found text ---- copied, copied, copied over a period of time.

We don't need the originals. That's a strawman. I've shown at least two examples of God providing copies (i.e. Exodus, Jeremiah). It's copies consistently used all throughout history (i.e. Traditional Text that dates back to Jerusalem, & Antioch).

It's good to see that you seem to have a desire to maintain the integrity of the Traditional Text.

2 Timothy 2:15 doesn't read the same in the modern translations, was the point I was trying to convey here.

The different translations are so close in wording and meaning

2 Timothy 2:15 teaches us how to study, how to rightly divide so believers can understand what God is, & is not doing today. It's a test of how well we listen to Him, & obey Him, & do His good pleasure (2 Timothy 2:15; 1 Timothy 2:3-4). Satan stands before God day, & night... accusing, slandering, mocking, laughing... even at God!

It's in other areas where those fundamentals are heavily under attack. Question is, can we discern Satan's crafty ways? Again, you don't have to answer this question for me, just yourself, & God most importantly. Let's please let it at that

2 Timothy does not TEACH us HOW to study but TELLS us that WE SHOULD study, rightly handling the word of truth.
As for me - I believe understanding WHAT is SAID also plays a very important part in studying the word of truth.
Yes, the accuser (Satan) of our brothers . . . . accuses them (us) day and night before our God.
So, ain't it great that we have a mediator between us and God, the man Jesus Christ, interceding for us!!

 

[Runningman]

I just believe Arians were not taught what Bible lexicons are.
I seldom see them consult it either.

That will be the problem to those who professed to be Christian and do not follow Christ teaching.
I just believe including the Arians that does not remain in the teaching of Jesus in Mat 28:19,
does not have God also. (2John 1:9)

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

2Jn 1:9 Anyone who goes too far and does not remain in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who remains in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.

Jesus and his disciples never baptized according to Matthew 28:19. So this reads like you're pronouncing judgement on Jesus and his disciples. It's amazing how confused trinitarians are.

 

[Runningman]

you don't believe Christ spoke to the prophets and Moses?

the kjv is the corrupt scroll
the sealed vision

Jesus didn't pre-exist his birth to be able to do that. I also don't believe Jesus practiced necromancy or communication with the dead.

 

[Peterlag]

Is Matthew 28:19 is the teaching of Jesus or not?
To be followed or not?

I would say it's not a real verse since it does not fit with the rest of the Bible and therefore makes no sense.

 

[Peterlag]

Through the context of the text, it needs to be from the Father as Jesus said "He has testified about Me," and after the anytime applies.

John 5:37 “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified about Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form.

Then someone heard God's voice.

 

[Runningman]

Then someone heard God's voice.

Trinitarianism is bad theology. They say that if the Father testifies about someone then it means they are God, but that isn't what it means. The Father has testified about others.

Hebrews 11
4By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Jesus and his disciples never baptized according to Matthew 28:19. So this reads like you're pronouncing judgement on Jesus and his disciples. It's amazing how confused trinitarians are.

JESUS didnt baptize , his desciples did . reread it .
And let us know and understand the reason i have long been pleading and begging and begging and a pleading
for folks to get back into the bible for their own selves .
The more we read it , the better off we had been and will be . NOW BIBLE TIME IN the house and
beware of men for many decievers do abound and many of them wear wool . THAT BE A FACT .

 

[Runningman]

JESUS didnt baptize , his desciples did . reread it .
And let us know and understand the reason i have long been pleading and begging and begging and a pleading
for folks to get back into the bible for their own selves .
The more we read it , the better off we had been and will be . NOW BIBLE TIME IN the house and
beware of men for many decievers do abound and many of them wear wool . THAT BE A FACT .

Exactly, neither Jesus or his disciples baptized according to Matthew 28:19 as I just said. Jesus didn't do it because he didn't baptize people himself. The disciples didn't do it because they were not told to. You seem to have misread what I said.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Exactly, neither Jesus or his disciples baptized according to Matthew 28:19 as I just said. Jesus didn't do it because he didn't baptize people himself. The disciples didn't do it because they were not told to. You seem to have misread what I said.

His desciples did baptize . HE DIDNT , his desciples however did .
Now as far as baptizing with the HOLY GHOST
that had not yet been given for JESUS had not yet been GLORIIFED .
but earlier we read where it showed the desicples baptized more than did john
BUT NOT JESUS HIMSELF . HE DID Not , it was his desciples that did that .

 

[e v e]

Jesus didn't pre-exist his birth to be able to do that. I also don't believe Jesus practiced necromancy or communication with the dead.

In your understanding was Christ with God before Eden's creation (in the other reality)?

As for me, I understand that Yes,
Christ was there,
and also His Spirit (our mother)
and, God our Father, three beings...
Christ and His Spirit being His Hands,
and note the two Cherubim at the ark,
and
that Christ obeyed God His Father
and incarnated into this flesh-body not made by God,
on this dungeon earth not made by God..
such is the horror and depth of our fall that
Christ came to this dungeon to free us,
making Legally possible to end the sin realm =
mystery babylon in the other reality
plus this dungeon earth
plus this FLESH (which is death, just as God said to Adam, who betrayed Him!) ..
so ponder the deep love of Him for His Eden souls now in this foreign land since after the fall,
and His desire to free us from this hell and bring us Home to our Original land,
to our original glorious Eden body (resurrection body where resurrection means to return again),
such that Christ incarnated into this horrible place where He is not from,
for us.

And add to this that rapture of His Eden souls is the de facto Saving from here,
the de facto to the Legal He made possible by the cross... which Christ accomplished to help us
and that this De Facto will be our rapture, meeting our Christ upon the clouds.

In your understanding is there another reality?
Is eden in the other reality?
and also is mystery-babylon in the other reality?
I say yes to all of these, for this current flesh and earth and cosmos is not
His, for He is not from here.

So why would birth here be anything at all?
Even any tiny souls of Him, yes even us, came from God, in the other reality... not here..
so it does not only apply to Christ that he was in Paradise with God before entering this dungeon...
it applies to all of us who are His souls. This current earth is the sin realm.

That idea of the soul created at conception is a VATICAN CONCEPT.
The vatican follows BAAL-EGYPT FISH religion... it does not follow Christ.
(though catholics, as well as most of greater jacob, do not know this and
will mostly return to Eden after trib.)
(Jacob out of who God selected His 144k.)