All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Peterlag]

the problem is that you seem to have the wrong spirit -- whatever that spirit is that you speak of.

If the spirit is telling you that Jesus is God. That spirit is not from God. The spirit from God will say that Jesus came in the flesh. The false spirit will say God came in the flesh. There's your test of the spirit.

 

[Peterlag]

It definitely sounds like the teachings are messed up there. That is indeed against any proper exegetical principle. That is akin to a prosecutor withholding exculpatory evidence. The true principle for scripture is that the passages have to be resolved with proper balance. The one verse has to be resolved with the ten in the most reasonable way while treat both as true messages. I see plenty of other examples were even scholars try to dismiss verses because they do not fit their mode of interpretation. The idea is pure manipulation of scripture.

Well, in this case there's 6 on my side and none on your side...

 

[Runningman]

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling." Matthew 23:37

Did you notice how Jesus equates Himself with God here? How often I wanted ...

We might as well kill two birds with one stone here.

Did you notice that Jesus acknowledged that the Jews had free will here? ... "and you were unwilling."

Jesus was prophesying and saying the same sort of things David was saying in Psalm 17:8, Psalm 36:7, Psalm 91:4. I hope you don't think David was equating himself with God, too.

 

[Peterlag]

You've given this same lame argument before, and it was just as useless then as it is now. There are many words that are NOT in the Bible, but that doesn't mean that the concept that they describe is not found in the Bible.

Terms not found nowhere in Scripture ...

omnipotence
omniscience
omnipresence
sovereign
dispensation
trinity
lose your salvation
rapture

Yes, you might find "dispensation" and "sovereign" in the King James Bible, but not in the original Greek.

Let's take a look at your list...

So if there is no verse in the Scriptures stating God is “omniscient” meaning He knows the past, the present, and the future. Then why do so many Christians believe God is omniscient?

The answer is: Ancient Greek Mythology and Philosophy.

 

[GallagherM]

I'm someone who believes that when Jesus was walking the earth. God was working in him by the spirit, as Yeshua being the Word of God, and Yeshua died on the cross, and Yahavah/Yehovah/Yahweh/Jehovah the God above all gods raised Yeshua up by the holy spirit and after sticking around for a little while upon those initial 3 days in the grave. Ascending to the heavens, in Acts, one day returned in like manner to rescue the bride, and after this completion of Revelation 1-20, the picture remaining is 21, 22. What is interesting is that after having sat at the right hand of Yahavah. Yeshua moves from the prior position back to his former glory, sitting with his Father on the throne and transititioned into becoming the "Lord God Almighty." Yeshua stated to those Jewish people in his day, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father." Meaning that Yeshua revealed the heart of the Father who he truly is to the people of that day, and now they become one in unity again as Yeshua states in Revelation 3, concerning moving from the right hand - - to sitting upon the "throne" which there is only one in heaven. I believe whom we will see when we die and move forward will be the Lord Yeshua. May you be guided to trust by the resurrected spirit of the Lord Yeshua that lives in you.



Thank you for reading. No one will ever change my mind concerning this because it's a narrative that is founded in the bible regardless of whatever one can weave with the Apostolic Gospel narrtive of the Lord Yeshua. He was deified to his former glory becoming one with the Father on that throne.


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I affirm with conviction that during His earthly ministry, Yeshua (Jesus) walked in full alignment with the Spirit of God. As the incarnate Word—“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1)—He revealed the nature and heart of the Father to those around Him. Yeshua Himself declared, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9), testifying to the divine unity between Himself and Yahavah.

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, Yeshua was obedient unto death, even death on a cross (Philippians 2:8). After three days in the grave, He was raised by the Spirit of God—“But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies” (Romans 8:11). Following His resurrection, He remained with His disciples for a time, then ascended into heaven as recorded in Acts 1:9–11, with the promise that He would return in like manner to receive His bride.

The prophetic arc of Revelation chapters 1 through 20 outlines the unfolding of divine judgment and redemption. What remains is the consummation found in chapters 21 and 22—the new heaven, the new earth, and the eternal dwelling of God with His people. After having sat at the right hand of Yahavah (Hebrews 1:3), Yeshua transitions to His former glory, seated with the Father on the throne. As Revelation 3:21 declares: “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” This throne is singular—“And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it” (Revelation 22:3)—revealing their unity as one.

I believe that when we pass from this life, we will behold the Lord Yeshua, the visible image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15), now glorified and reigning as “Lord God Almighty” (Revelation 21:22). May you be led by the resurrected Spirit of Yeshua that dwells within, guiding you into truth, hope, and boldness before the throne of grace (Hebrews 4:16).

Thank you for reading. My conviction on this matter is unwavering, as it is rooted in the testimony of Scripture. No theological reinterpretation or apostolic narrative can displace the truth that Yeshua, having fulfilled His mission, was glorified and restored to divine unity with the Father, seated upon the throne as one.

 

[Peterlag]

I'm someone who believes that when Jesus was walking the earth. God was working in him by the spirit, as Yeshua being the Word of God, and Yeshua died on the cross, and Yahavah/Yehovah/Yahweh/Jehovah the God above all gods raised Yeshua up by the holy spirit and after sticking around for a little while upon those initial 3 days in the grave. Ascending to the heavens, in Acts, one day returned in like manner to rescue the bride, and after this completion of Revelation 1-20, the picture remaining is 21, 22. What is interesting is that after having sat at the right hand of Yahavah. Yeshua moves from the prior position back to his former glory, sitting with his Father on the throne and transititioned into becoming the "Lord God Almighty." Yeshua stated to those Jewish people in his day, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father." Meaning that Yeshua revealed the heart of the Father who he truly is to the people of that day, and now they become one in unity again as Yeshua states in Revelation 3, concerning moving from the right hand - - to sitting upon the "throne" which there is only one in heaven. I believe whom we will see when we die and move forward will be the Lord Yeshua. May you be guided to trust by the resurrected spirit of the Lord Yeshua that lives in you.



Thank you for reading. No one will ever change my mind concerning this because it's a narrative that is founded in the bible regardless of whatever one can weave with the Apostolic Gospel narrtive of the Lord Yeshua. He was deified to his former glory becoming one with the Father on that throne.


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Do you have a verse that says anything like...

After having sat at the right hand of Yahavah. Yeshua moves from the prior position back to his former glory, sitting with his Father on the throne and transititioned into becoming the "Lord God Almighty."

I have Scripture that says this...

“Then cometh the end, when he [Christ] shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he [Christ] shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

For he [Christ] must reign, till he [God] hath put all enemies under his [Christ's] feet.

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

For he [God] hath put all things under his [Christ's] feet. But when he [God] said all things are put under him, [Christ] it is manifest [obvious] that he [God] is excepted, [God is the only exception] which did put all things under him [Christ].

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, [Christ] then [not now, but at some future time] shall the Son also himself be subject unto him [God] that put all things under him, [Christ] that God may be all in all."

P.S. Jesus is not coming for a bride. We are the body of Christ. Isreal is referred to as the bride.

 

[GallagherM]

If you say so my guy. People have all kinds of opinions and beliefs.

No one should ever believe me. I believe Jesus already came back.

I dont believe this is a salvation issue. It's actually a worldview issue for most.

Dont know what one could want from me... other than to hear ya out, and I hear ya...

I dont believe Israel today established in 1948, is the same Israel that recieved the commandments from God with Moses coming down the mountain. Nor are does it have anything to do with the Heavenly Israel.

PS: Check out the Co-pilot rewrite.

 

[Runningman]

No one will ever change my mind concerning this...

I guarantee we will at least try to make you abandon your idolatry, i.e., "Yeshua moves from the prior position back to his former glory, sitting with his Father on the throne and transititioned into becoming the "Lord God Almighty." [sic]

Did you know there is nothing in the Bible about Jesus sitting at the right hand of God until after God resurrected him?
Did you know Jesus is never called Lord God Almighty in Scripture?
Did you know Jesus sits on a different throne than God?

 

[Peterlag]

I guarantee we will at least try to make you abandon your idolatry, i.e., "Yeshua moves from the prior position back to his former glory, sitting with his Father on the throne and transititioned into becoming the "Lord God Almighty." [sic]

Did you know there is nothing about Jesus sitting at the right hand of God in the Old Testament?
Did you know Jesus is never called Lord God Almighty in Scripture?
Did you know Jesus sits on a different throne than God?

When he wrote something like and I will never change my mind was when I said okay no reason to write this guy. But then he hit a nerve when he said something that's not in the book. There's nothing about Jesus transititing back into being Lord God Almighty. Nothing.

 

[GallagherM]

Hello Runningman,

There is nothing idolatrous about what I have shared. I just use the bible to state my case already in post https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/all-claims-of-the-sons-deity.2185/post-204606

There is nothing you can teach me, on this subject.

I respect you as an individual, an say once again it's not a salvational issue.

It's a worldview issue for most. (Concerning Jesus having already returned - and seated with his Father in heaven.)

 

[GallagherM]

Hello Runningman,

There is nothing idolatrous about what I have shared. I just use the bible to state my case already in post https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/all-claims-of-the-sons-deity.2185/post-204606

There is nothing you can teach me, on this subject.

I respect you as an individual, an say once again it's not a salvational issue.

It's a worldview issue for most. (Concerning Jesus having already returned - and seated with his Father in heaven.)

Some people may just suggest "Matthew you are just prideful."

That's not the case either, anyway thank you.

 

[Runningman]

When he wrote something like and I will never change my mind was when I said okay no reason to write this guy. But then he hit a nerve when he said something that's not in the book. There's nothing about Jesus transititing back into being Lord God Almighty. Nothing.

Yes true. I know his mind probably won't change and that isn't up to me to control. I find myself in a position of responsibility to at least try, especially if someone is directly in front of me saying Jesus became God Almighty. It makes God Almighty an achievable status rather than an inherent quality of the person of the Father.

If God ever asks me "What happened with GallagherM?" I can say with a clean conscience "I tried to show him the truth, but he didn't believe me or the Scriptures."

 

[Peterlag]

Yes true. I know his mind probably won't change and that isn't up to me to control. I find myself in a position of responsibility to at least try, especially if someone is directly in front of me saying Jesus became God Almighty. It makes God Almighty an achievable status rather than an inherent quality of the person of the Father.

If God ever asks me "What happened with GallagherM?" I can say with a clean conscience "I tried to show him the truth, but he didn't believe me or the Scriptures."

Yeah you're right. Scripture says we will judge stuff. I hope I get to judge @mikesw

 

[Victoria]

Good, as the scripture states, Isaiah 1:18a "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:"
an unorthodox view of the Godhead... GREAT, Good, ok, let's see the Godhead plainly. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" two words of interest. A. Form and B. With

I LOVE Isaiah 1:18a! YES, Victoria agrees! Let 101G, & Victoria, reason together

2. (as an ordinal) first. there is our answer. he is .... "ALSO" .... the LAST... same ONE PERSON.... got it?.

It would've been easier to say yes, Jesus Christ is God. It really is much easier using scripture alone to defend the faith, 101G.
Another verse I LOVE... really packs a punch

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

and lastly "I never knew what modalism was until I joined the forum " (smile), 101G neither, Glad 101G is a "Diversified Oneness".....

thanks for being ......."REASONABLE".....

101G.

Diversified Oneness... which denomination teaches this?
This also is a new one for me

I could always look it up, but I'd much rather learn from a person who believes what they believe.

 

[mikesw]

If the spirit is telling you that Jesus is God. That spirit is not from God. The spirit from God will say that Jesus came in the flesh. The false spirit will say God came in the flesh. There's your test of the spirit.

Ouch. Now your spirit is telling you that the Spirit of God should not be telling us that Jesus is God. Now you also want to tell me how your spirit wants me to depart from scripture. That is going to an extreme level of trust of whatever this thing is you have in you.

 

[mikesw]

Yeah you're right. Scripture says we will judge stuff. I hope I get to judge @mikesw

Wow. won't you have fun judging me and finding out how wrong you are. Somehow you think that Schoenheits have found a long lost secret and now are those who will be saved while all Christians have missed it. You have to be careful of joining a cult that claims such exclusivism.

 

[mikesw]

Well, in this case there's 6 on my side and none on your side...

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Great. You play a numbers game to interpret scripture. We already saw that the Schoenheit school of trickery thinks some verses erase others.

 

[101G]

Diversified Oneness... which denomination teaches this?
This also is a new one for me

I could always look it up, but I'd much rather learn from a person who believes what they believe.

It's in the bible, God teaches it, as well as his students, all the apostles, and his discip;es.

101G.

 

[Peterlag]

Great. You play a numbers game to interpret scripture. We already saw that the Schoenheit school of trickery thinks some verses erase others.

The Schoenheit staff knows somes verses don't fit the rest of the Bible. And there's a new kid now. Bill who was in the same classes with me in the same years. He's translating the Old Testament with Schoenheit on the newest translation. Bill has a lot of trinity stuff so I will be using some of his stuff too. Here's one...



I know some friends may find this challenging, but in the Bible Jesus is not a "God-Man". 20 minute podcast:
https://youtu.be/LpLJgGc94tE

 

[mikesw]

The Schoenheit staff knows somes verses don't fit the rest of the Bible. And there's a new kid now. Bill who was in the same classes with me in the same years. He's translating the Old Testament with Schoenheit on the newest translanation. Bill has a lot of trinity stuff so I will be using some of his stuff too. Here's one...

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I know some friends may find this challenging, but in the Bible Jesus is not a "God-Man". 20 minute podcast:
https://youtu.be/LpLJgGc94tE

wow. you introduce him and show he has learned the same nonsense right along with you. That is not a good endorsement. Plus you still seem to deny scriptures on a statistical basis, as if that were proper exegesis. You only discredit all that you have claimed.
Also, I have no idea what anyone means by a "God-man." I suspect you use that term to denigrate Jesus.