All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Peterlag]

 

[mikesw]

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Okay. so you want to have people who accept the Triune God of scripture to remain silent such that unitarians may have unhindered territory to share misconceptions?
You just use this as free advertising for following misconceptions. I do not think the forum is intended for that purpose.

It is too hard to exclude passages that point to the Triune nature just so unitarians can feel better.

 

[Runningman]

Like I said. You cannot comprehend even the verse by Peter speaking of Paul's and other scriptures. The letters of Paul appear to have been collected together and distributed as a set rather quickly. The gospels and these letters were apparently available before the destruction of Jerusalem

Um, you're the one trying to pull a switcheroo and gaslight people into seeing things that are not stated in the Bible. It calls Paul's writings letters, not Scripture.

Well. it is admitted that the devil believes in God in the Bible and still was acting against Christ. The concern early on was those who deny Christ. That includes his divinity, not just denying the Word incarnating in the flesh.

No one in the Bible ever talked about the "Word incarnating in flesh"

We have proved your bad exegesis over and over again but you seem to like to demonstrate the bad exegesis here again.

You have proved yourself to have a dirt poor understanding of even basic statements in the Bible. For example, the Father being the only true God is heresy to you.

I would suspect it is removed from the unitarian bible

There aren't any Bibles where Thomas calls Jesus God.

We say three persons. If you have another term for the three that are part of that name, you have never shared that.

Better start pulling out some Scripture. Your personal opinions about God are not useful.

Everything is explained for the people who have ears to hear.

Noted. That explains why you reject so much.

 

[Runningman]

The early or first Christians were those in Antioch, can you cite a verse that the New Testament was called as Scriptures?

Act 11:26 and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers of people; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

I agree with Acts 11:26, but you seem to show awareness that, based on the internal witness of the Bible, that the New Testament is never referred to as Scripture. Anyway, that isn't a debatable point as I thought everyone knew that. My point is, where is anything written about the "Word" in the Scripture Jesus or anyone else had access to at the beginning of his ministry?

 

[Runningman]

You should have learned about metaphor and analogy by 5th grade. Philo was one who developed some concepts of wisdom shared in the concept of logos as introducing some Grecko-Roman philosophy when sharing about Judaism. John answers and shows that the logos has become a man, Jesus, after pre-existing in creation. I should not have to point out as obvious what John already has made obvious.
You forgot that we addressed this before. But you present the same invalid argument anyhow. I do try to remind others that unitarians only seem to achieve a hyperliteralist reading of scripture that rejects the intended metaphors and analogies. In that way, they can consider strategies to expose the problems of unitarian eisegesis.

So you seem to show awareness of metaphor and analogy until you get ahold of a Bible. So do you think God's words are a person or are they godly?

 

[mikesw]

So you seem to show awareness of metaphor and analogy until you get ahold of a Bible. So do you think God's words are a person or are they godly?

i see you cannot comprehend basic English , not just a problem with scriptures.

 

[Runningman]

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Yes, notice that they don't begin with Scripture about the trinity. The begin with a belief system and decorate it with verses. In a purely Biblical debate, trinitarians lose completely. Actually, they get their god and religion taken from them. I don't consider them to be real Christians. Christians follow the teachings of Jesus. Trinitarians follow the teachings of the Catholics and Protestants. The Catholics and protestants got their teachings from the councils that got together and made up some philosophy out of thin air.

 

[Runningman]

i see you cannot comprehend basic English , not just a problem with scriptures.

You believe words are God, not me.

 

[Runningman]

Okay. so you want to have people who accept the Triune God of scripture to remain silent such that unitarians may have unhindered territory to share misconceptions?
You just use this as free advertising for following misconceptions. I do not think the forum is intended for that purpose.

It is too hard to exclude passages that point to the Triune nature just so unitarians can feel better.

Where does the Bible say there is a triune god? I predict you won't answer this directly because you can't.

 

[mikesw]

I agree with Acts 11:26, but you seem to show awareness that, based on the internal witness of the Bible, that the New Testament is never referred to as Scripture. Anyway, that isn't a debatable point as I thought everyone knew that. My point is, where is anything written about the "Word" in the Scripture Jesus or anyone else had access to at the beginning of his ministry?

You again missed 2 Pet 3:16. It again is one of the 3:16 verses that are often useful to memorize.
You are right that by Acts 11:26 there were no NT writings yet. But only Paul's writings are listed by Peter more explicitly as early NT writings.
We do see the Word of God in passages like Gen 15:1-5. He leads Abram to count the stars.
They do not need NT writings because they all have the gospel eyewitness accounts they share about Jesus. They can testify how Thomas noted Jesus as God and how Jesus shared his divinity with them. How come you are not aware of this stuff yet?

 

[mikesw]

You believe words are God, not me.

I believe God's word that shows Jesus is the Word. Even if you cannot comprehend that, scripture remains true in its testimony.

 

[mikesw]

Where does the Bible say there is a triune god? I predict you won't answer this directly because you can't.

Oops. If i just rely on the unitarian pocket dictionary, I cannot even start to share how glorious and powerful God is. I do not wish to limit my words to the limitations of unitarian thought.

 

[Runningman]

You again missed 2 Pet 3:16. It again is one of the 3:16 verses that are often useful to memorize.

Your point about 2 Peter 3:16 is debunked by the very verse itself. It's says Paul's writings are letters.

You are right that by Acts 11:26 there were no NT writings yet. But only Paul's writings are listed by Peter more explicitly as early NT writings.

Verse?

We do see the Word of God in passages like Gen 15:1-5. He leads Abram to count the stars.

That's a new one. Where did you see that?

They do not need NT writings because they all have the gospel eyewitness accounts they share about Jesus. They can testify how Thomas noted Jesus as God and how Jesus shared his divinity with them. How come you are not aware of this stuff yet?

Thomas never called Jesus God.

You're going to have to do A LOT more than just share your opinions.

 

[Runningman]

I believe God's word that shows Jesus is the Word. Even if you cannot comprehend that, scripture remains true in its testimony.

Which verse is that then?

 

[Runningman]

Oops. If i just rely on the unitarian pocket dictionary, I cannot even start to share how glorious and powerful God is. I do not wish to limit my words to the limitations of unitarian thought.

So there aren't any verses about a triune god in the Bible. If this was a court of law, you would not be able to get past your opening remarks. You have nothing but conjecture.

 

[mikesw]

Your point about 2 Peter 3:16 is debunked by the very verse itself. It's says Paul's writings are letters.

So I guess you cannot consider Paul's writings to be scriptures. You can tear those out of your bible, unless it is an online bible.

Verse?

None need to repeat what you forget a few lines earlier.

That's a new one. Where did you see that?

I will repeat what was shared. Gen 15:1-5.

Thomas never called Jesus God.

For those who do not know scripture, I share this:
John 20:26–28 (ESV)
26Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.”
27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.”
28Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

For the unitarians, I suggest you read Buddhist literature or something that does not confuse you about Jesus.

You're going to have to do A LOT more than just share your opinions.

Thanks. You remind me that prayer and fasting may be needed in your case.

 

[mikesw]

Which verse is that then?

Start with this:
#GoodReadingMaterial

 

[mikesw]

So there aren't any verses about a triune god in the Bible. If this was a court of law, you would not be able to get past your opening remarks. You have nothing but conjecture.

Exactly. Jesus already faced a trial and died for our sins and returned to heaven and received back his glory. He no longer is subject to the courts of men. Maybe you can get beyond man's court and try to satisfy God's judgment.

 

[civic]

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Just replace the above with a 1 person being and Unitarianism collapses by your own standards/ criteria

Next fallacy

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, notice that they don't begin with Scripture about the trinity. The begin with a belief system and decorate it with verses. In a purely Biblical debate, trinitarians lose completely. Actually, they get their god and religion taken from them. I don't consider them to be real Christians. Christians follow the teachings of Jesus. Trinitarians follow the teachings of the Catholics and Protestants. The Catholics and protestants got their teachings from the councils that got together and made up some philosophy out of thin air.

I never cared for the Catholic doctrine or the philosophy of its protestant sisters.