All Claims of The Son's Deity

[mikesw]

We have no evidence in the Bible that “the Holy Spirit”...

was ever used as a name because no one ever used it in adirect address. Many people spoke or prayed directly to God, starting out by saying “O Yahweh” (translated as “O LORD” in almost all English versions). Furthermore, the name “Jesus” is a Greek form of the name “Joshua” (in fact, the King James Version confuses “Joshua” and “Jesus” in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8) and many people spoke “to Jesus” in the Bible. But no one in the Bible ever used “the Holy Spirit” in a direct address because there's simply no actual name for any “Person” known as “the Holy Spirit” anywhere in the Bible.

Jesus sent the Comforter. I'm sorry if you are upset that there is name for the Holy Spirit descending on Jesus while the voice of God spoke from the heavens. You just speak a lot of preferences without having any argument.

Also Gk Eigo Eimi has never meant "I am God."

If Gk Eigo Eimi means "I am God" then Paul is God, the healed blind man is God, and many others are also almighty God. Reaching for apostate straws is exactly what the tares do. The saints on the other hand are very careful with the Scriptures. We compare Passages to each other and do not jump to conclusions based on misunderstandings, additions, and myths.

Maybe you missed that Paul did not say "Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus obviously expresses a pre-existence here. No one has offered any other reasonable meaning here. Indeed when we compare other passages like JOhn 17:5 we again see the pre-existence with the Father. So sometimes you can a minor point correct. Otherwise, it is best to purge yourself of Schoenheit unitarian interpretation techniques.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus sent the Comforter. I'm sorry if you are upset that there is name for the Holy Spirit descending on Jesus while the voice of God spoke from the heavens. You just speak a lot of preferences without having any argument.

Maybe you missed that Paul did not say "Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus obviously expresses a pre-existence here. No one has offered any other reasonable meaning here. Indeed when we compare other passages like JOhn 17:5 we again see the pre-existence with the Father. So sometimes you can a minor point correct. Otherwise, it is best to purge yourself of Schoenheit unitarian interpretation techniques.

I did not write anything about the Comforter. I wrote about the trinity person called the Holy Spirit. Try to keep up.

 

[mikesw]

I did not write anything about the Comforter. I wrote about the trinity person called the Holy Spirit. Try to keep up.

I'm sorry that you cannot remember the the Holy Spirit as the Comforter that Jesus sent. Maybe they is another Schoenheit obstacle popping up here.

 

[Runningman]

You need to study scriptures better.

So you think Jesus would say do not believe in God? Jesus is equating the significance of believing in both of them. But you wish to deny the divinity of Jesus and thus show doubt who he is.

Uh. Maybe Jesus incarnate has limitations. Also, Jesus is giving glory to the Father as the Father gives glory to the Son

Then you would be saying Jesus is a false god unless you recognize Jesus is of the same God and had glory with the Father before becoming incarnate as Jesus. Which one do you choose.

You must speculate that the alternative is Jesus had another god instead of the Jewish God. That is utterly ridiculous

You keep repeating that ignorant interpretation of a question. It is someone common though for people to assume a question is a denial. We cannot blame this horrible interpretation as something only unitarians do. But these failures also are directly out of the Schoenheit play book.

You disregard the plain words of Jesus rather than accepting them for what they say in the broad scope of the Bible. Jesus never claimed to be God, never claimed to be equal with God, never claimed to be a member of a trinity, never claimed to be incarnated, never claimed to be omniscient, never claimed any of the things you are saying.

Why not just respect Jesus and believe him if you allegedly love him? The issue is your serve you religion, you don't actually treat Jesus like the god you say he is. Why? Because the real Jesus is an offense to your trinitarianism.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus sent the Comforter. I'm sorry if you are upset that there is name for the Holy Spirit descending on Jesus while the voice of God spoke from the heavens. You just speak a lot of preferences without having any argument.

Um.... what? Jesus taught that he would pray to the Father and that the Father would do it.

John 14
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Maybe you missed that Paul did not say "Before Abraham was, I am." Jesus obviously expresses a pre-existence here. No one has offered any other reasonable meaning here. Indeed when we compare other passages like JOhn 17:5 we again see the pre-existence with the Father. So sometimes you can a minor point correct. Otherwise, it is best to purge yourself of Schoenheit unitarian interpretation techniques.

In the context of John 8, Jesus was claiming to be the human messiah prophesied before Abraham. There is nothing in line with Jesus being a pre-existent God in context of John 8 or elsewhere. so there isn't a literal pre-existence of Jesus. You are simply begging the question again, something you have been doing exhaustively.

 

[Runningman]

I'm sorry that you cannot remember the the Holy Spirit as the Comforter that Jesus sent. Maybe they is another Schoenheit obstacle popping up here.

You act as if your debate opponents don't know the Bible. You can drop the charade.

John 14
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

 

[Runningman]

I did not write anything about the Comforter. I wrote about the trinity person called the Holy Spirit. Try to keep up.

Yes, a common tactic deployed by trinitarians when the Bible is debunking their beliefs is to change the subject.

 

[Runningman]

It's ok, if you are not a Christian, because Christians will listen, obey and follow Christ, specially His command in Matthew 28:19.

So you're saying that Jesus and his disciples are not Christians? They didn't baptize anyone according to Matthew 28:19.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, a common tactic deployed by trinitarians when the Bible is debunking their beliefs is to change the subject.

@mikesw is a master at deception and insults very much like the Pharisees who worked for the devil.

 

[Runningman]

@mikesw is a master at deception and insults very much like the Pharisees who worked for the devil.

I mean, that's what they did to Jesus. My favorite is John 10 when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Not only did Jesus call that an accusation, bur rather explained that him being a son of God just like they are is not blasphemy. Contrary to their accusations, Jesus denied being God and proved that anyone who is God's son can say they are a son of God without it being the same thing as saying they are actually God. That really got them fired up.

John 10
31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

 

[mikesw]

You disregard the plain words of Jesus rather than accepting them for what they say in the broad scope of the Bible. Jesus never claimed to be God, never claimed to be equal with God, never claimed to be a member of a trinity, never claimed to be incarnated, never claimed to be omniscient, never claimed any of the things you are saying.

Why not just respect Jesus and believe him if you allegedly love him? The issue is your serve you religion, you don't actually treat Jesus like the god you say he is. Why? Because the real Jesus is an offense to your trinitarianism.

We have already addressed the many passages that speak of Christ's divinity. You just follow Schoenheit and neglect the testimony of scriptures to follow a novel, atheist view of Christ by denying God's ability to send his Son to be among us.

 

[mikesw]

I mean, that's what they did to Jesus. My favorite is John 10 when they accused Jesus of claiming to be God. Not only did Jesus call that an accusation, bur rather explained that him being a son of God just like they are is not blasphemy. Contrary to their accusations, Jesus denied being God and proved that anyone who is God's son can say they are a son of God without it being the same thing as saying they are actually God. That really got them fired up.

John 10
31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

As if you can find logic to support Peterlag's anger at being exposed for his bad doctrine as a Schoenheit.
You repeatedly quote this passage that testifies against your view as if it supports the denial of Christ. I would hope you could awaken to its actual meaning instead of denying who Christ is just as those men with stones.

The Schoenheits become creative to misinterpret the "if he called them gods" Psalm so you can interpret Jesus' acknowledgement of his divinity as if it were a denial. You regurgitate the same points over and over as if your view becomes true by mere repetition.

 

[mikesw]

Um.... what? Jesus taught that he would pray to the Father and that the Father would do it.

John 14
16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

So we acknowledge the identity of the third person as the Comforter. Thanks for sharing that.

In the context of John 8, Jesus was claiming to be the human messiah prophesied before Abraham. There is nothing in line with Jesus being a pre-existent God in context of John 8 or elsewhere. so there isn't a literal pre-existence of Jesus. You are simply begging the question again, something you have been doing exhaustively.

That is beyond belief. Anyone who treats this as a statement of prophecy is just twisting scripture beyond imagination. No serious person could hold to the interpretation you give.

 

[mikesw]

You disregard the plain words of Jesus rather than accepting them for what they say in the broad scope of the Bible. Jesus never claimed to be God, never claimed to be equal with God, never claimed to be a member of a trinity, never claimed to be incarnated, never claimed to be omniscient, never claimed any of the things you are saying.

Why not just respect Jesus and believe him if you allegedly love him? The issue is your serve you religion, you don't actually treat Jesus like the god you say he is. Why? Because the real Jesus is an offense to your trinitarianism.

you go playing word games again by trying to say that concepts in scripture cannot be represented by words outside of bible usage. That is someone trying to stop debate by controlling the language. That is an inherent practice of controlling cults.

 

[mikesw]

@mikesw is a master at deception and insults very much like the Pharisees who worked for the devil.

You are of the Schoenheits who seek to diminish who Christ is. That is the problem we see happening in this discussion. So you have to call Christians as deceivers instead of accepting the testimony of scripture of the divinity of Christ. I can understand your frustration with trying to prove the impossible.

 

[Runningman]

We have already addressed the many passages that speak of Christ's divinity. You just follow Schoenheit and neglect the testimony of scriptures to follow a novel, atheist view of Christ by denying God's ability to send his Son to be among us.

Your misunderstandings, eisegesis, and philosophy is what is on the chopping block here. You are being spoon fed the truth whether you realize it or not. All I need to do is just keep exposing you to the reality that Jesus is not God.

 

[Runningman]

As if you can find logic to support Peterlag's anger at being exposed for his bad doctrine as a Schoenheit.
You repeatedly quote this passage that testifies against your view as if it supports the denial of Christ. I would hope you could awaken to its actual meaning instead of denying who Christ is just as those men with stones.

The Schoenheits become creative to misinterpret the "if he called them gods" Psalm so you can interpret Jesus' acknowledgement of his divinity as if it were a denial. You regurgitate the same points over and over as if your view becomes true by mere repetition.

Jesus applied this verse to the people who were accusing him and to himself. Jesus' point was that being a son of God is not a claim to deity and is therefore not blasphemy. That is why the Bible continuously calls us believers sons of God and never conflates us with God himself.

Psalm 82
6I have said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’

 

[Runningman]

So we acknowledge the identity of the third person as the Comforter. Thanks for sharing that.

That is beyond belief. Anyone who treats this as a statement of prophecy is just twisting scripture beyond imagination. No serious person could hold to the interpretation you give.

God's Spirit isn't a third person. This is what you misunderstand. So is your spirit a person separate from you?

 

[Runningman]

you go playing word games again by trying to say that concepts in scripture cannot be represented by words outside of bible usage. That is someone trying to stop debate by controlling the language. That is an inherent practice of controlling cults.

Use the language of the Bible and you won't have as many corrections directed toward you.

 

[Runningman]

You are of the Schoenheits who seek to diminish who Christ is. That is the problem we see happening in this discussion. So you have to call Christians as deceivers instead of accepting the testimony of scripture of the divinity of Christ. I can understand your frustration with trying to prove the impossible.

Jesus being a man who God anointed, empowered, exalted, glorified, and made him into a Lord, Christ, and savior when he previously was not is all in line with what the Bible says about who Jesus is.

You have false beliefs about who God and Jesus are according to Scripture.

Acts 2
36Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.