A Question concerning 2 John 1:7

[Pancho Frijoles]

There is no spiritual situation. The Spirit was given to Israel, and that gift was given to begin the promise to three thousand Jews on the Jewish Feast of Harvest. Every day Christ added thousands of Jews to His Church daily such as should be saved and those that should be saved and were saved were ALL Jews. One day there were five thousand Jews born again. Gentiles did not celebrate the Feast of Harvest. They were not interested nor were they invited by God.

Dear readers

What this Forum member displays is a racist-based ideology, probably psychopathic, disguised as Theology.
According to this ideology

• God does not love the Chinese
• God does not ask his children to love the Chinese
• God is not the Father of the Chinese
• Chinese have no spiritual situation whatsoever.
• Chinese have no future in eternity. Their lives are as short of that of a dog or a pig, which have "no spiritual situation".
• Chinese can properly be called "dogs" or "swine".

The conclusion of this is that Chinese (or Congolese, or Australians, or anyone without Jew genes) are sub-humans.
Genocides have been preceded by a discourse in which the enemies are not seen as humans, but as sub-humans.
During the Second World War, Jews were not humans before Nazi's eyes. They were called rats.
During the Rwandan Genocide, Tutsis were not humans before Hutu's eyes. They were called cockroaches.

So, I respectfully ask the @Administrator to consider again whether the discourse of @jeremiah1five is one that helps to preserve the safety and security of people of all races, ethnicities and religions in this Forum.
My apologies for bothering you once again, dear @Administrator.

It is true that @jeremiah1five has not made a direct call to arrest or kill a non-Jewish person... but nazis and hutus also didn't make that call either, when they started. What they did first is to spread a discourse that prepared the scene to allow good people to remain indifferent when violence started.
In the end, one could ask: what is wrong with treating swine like swine, rats like rats, and cockroaches as cockroaches?

If you want more evidence, @jeremiah1five has said that Jesus called to "shoot the wolves". He posted a photo with a wolf being in the sights of a shooter, in indirect reference to me and people who think like me (see links below). In this Forum, 99% of people do not think like him and probably do not have documented Jew ethnicity, so the threat is for all of us.

Please do not minimize the threat. The massive shootings in the schools of the US are preceded by signs of people who feel isolated, rejected, and that express hatred through hate discourses.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-biblical-doctrine-of-love.2100/post-123600).
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/are-we-under-any-covenants.1539/post-113716

 

[Peterlag]

'For many deceivers are entered into the world,
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist'
(2John 1:7)

Hello there,

Is John referring to the Gnostics of his day in 2 John 1:7?

* I read that:- 'The Gnostics believed that the physical body of Jesus was not real but only appeared to be physical. Their claim was, and remains, that His spirit descended upon Him at baptism and then departed His body just prior to His crucifixion.' (quote)

* The verses that follow instruct believers as to how to deal with such a company:-

'Look to yourselves,
that we lose not those things which we have wrought,
but that we receive a full reward.
.. Whosoever transgresseth,
.... and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
...... hath not God.
........ He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
.......... he hath both the Father and the Son.
..If there come any unto you,
.... and bring not this doctrine,
...... receive him not into your house,
........ neither bid him God speed:'
.......... For he that biddeth him God speed
............ is partaker of his evil deeds.'
(2John 1:8-11)

* I was of the impression that this referred to such as Jehovah's Witnesses, who deny the deity of Christ, for in doing so they also are not abiding in the doctrine of Christ, are they?

Thank you in anticipation,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The Gnostics were very much on John's mind when he wrote 2 John. Jesus who is the son of God, the Christ... God's Anointed, and the Messiah to Isreal and then to the Christian came in the flesh being born on the planet. I believe the verse is saying if you do not believe this than you are not working for God, but rather the devil.

 

[mikesw]

I've not checked into the history of Gnosticism but had heard that Gnoticism had not developed by the time of John's epistles. It seems the Platonic-minded people might have appreciated the idea of the divinity of Christ but only by denying that Christ was incarnate. The idea of God being in the flesh would be impossible possibly of the idea of going from perfection to imperfection. It would be sort of a backwards direction of going from the idea invisible form to the inexact physical version of that perfect invisible and ideal form. It would be like someone paying top dollar for a totaled Ferrari rather than getting a pristine one fresh from the manufacturer.
It seems possible that this belief could occur while predating the dominant elements of Gnosticism --which seems to be of having hidden knowledge ... of ideas that had not been revealed earlier in Christianity.

The true knowledge is that Christ humbled himself by becoming incarnate -- doing what people would think is incomprehensible. This is the love God has shown to the world to those who will accept his gift.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Dear readers

What this Forum member displays is a racist-based ideology, probably psychopathic, disguised as Theology.
According to this ideolog

• God does not love the Chinese
• God does not ask his children to love the Chinese
• God is not the Father of the Chinese
• Chinese have no spiritual situation whatsoever.
• Chinese have no future in eternity. Their lives are as short of that of a dog or a pig, which have "no spiritual situation".
• Chinese can properly be called "dogs" or "swine".

The conclusion of this is that Chinese (or Congolese, or Australians, or anyone without Jew genes) are sub-humans.
Genocides have been preceded by a discourse in which the enemies are not seen as humans, but as sub-humans.
During the Second World War, Jews were not humans before Nazi's eyes. They were called rats.
During the Rwandan Genocide, Tutsis were not humans before Hutu's eyes. They were called cockroaches.

So, I respectfully ask the @Administrator to consider again whether the discourse of @jeremiah1five is one that helps to preserve the safety and security of people of all races, ethnicities and religions in this Forum.
My apologies for bothering you once again, dear @Administrator.

It is true that @jeremiah1five has not made a direct call to arrest or kill a non-Jewish person... but nazis and hutus also didn't make that call either, when they started. What they did first is to spread a discourse that prepared the scene to allow good people to remain indifferent when violence started.
In the end, one could ask: what is wrong with treating swine like swine, rats like rats, and cockroaches as cockroaches?

If you want more evidence, @jeremiah1five has said that Jesus called to "shoot the wolves". He posted a photo with a wolf being in the sights of a shooter, in indirect reference to me and people who think like me (see links below). In this Forum, 99% of people do not think like him and probably do not have documented Jew ethnicity, so the threat is for all of us.

Please do not minimize the threat. The massive shootings in the schools of the US are preceded by signs of people who feel isolated, rejected, and that express hatred through hate discourses.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/the-biblical-doctrine-of-love.2100/post-123600).
https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/are-we-under-any-covenants.1539/post-113716

 

[civic]

I've not checked into the history of Gnosticism but had heard that Gnoticism had not developed by the time of John's epistles. It seems the Platonic-minded people might have appreciated the idea of the divinity of Christ but only by denying that Christ was incarnate. The idea of God being in the flesh would be impossible possibly of the idea of going from perfection to imperfection. It would be sort of a backwards direction of going from the idea invisible form to the inexact physical version of that perfect invisible and ideal form. It would be like someone paying top dollar for a totaled Ferrari rather than getting a pristine one fresh from the manufacturer.
It seems possible that this belief could occur while predating the dominant elements of Gnosticism --which seems to be of having hidden knowledge ... of ideas that had not been revealed earlier in Christianity.

The true knowledge is that Christ humbled himself by becoming incarnate -- doing what people would think is incomprehensible. This is the love God has shown to the world to those who will accept his gift.

yes the gnostics denied that God could coexist in flesh so the Incarnation was rejected by them since the flesh and matter was evil. They like the JW's also denied the bodily Resurrection of Jesus therefor denying the gospel.

Gnosticism was perhaps the most dangerous heresy that threatened the early church during the first three centuries. Influenced by such philosophers as Plato, Gnosticism is based on two false premises. First, it espouses a dualism regarding spirit and matter. Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. As a result of this presupposition, Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a “higher truth” known only to a certain few. Gnosticism comes from the Greek word gnosis which means “to know.” Gnostics claim to possess a higher knowledge, not from the Bible, but acquired on some mystical higher plane of existence. Gnostics see themselves as a privileged class elevated above everybody else by their higher, deeper knowledge of God.

To discredit the idea of any compatibility between Christianity and Gnosticism, one has only to compare their teachings on the main doctrines of the faith. On the matter of salvation, Gnosticism teaches that salvation is gained through the acquisition of divine knowledge which frees one from the illusions of darkness. Although they claim to follow Jesus Christ and His original teachings, Gnostics contradict Him at every turn. Jesus said nothing about salvation through knowledge, but by faith in Him as Savior from sin. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). Furthermore, the salvation Christ offers is free and available to everyone (John 3:16), not just a select few who have acquired a special revelation.

Christianity asserts that there is one source of Truth and that is the Bible, the inspired, inerrant Word of the living God, the only infallible rule of faith and practice (John 17:17; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Hebrews 4:12). It is God’s written revelation to mankind and is never superseded by man’s thoughts, ideas, writings, or visions. The Gnostics, on the other hand, use a variety of early heretical writings known as the Gnostic gospels, a collection of forgeries claiming to be “lost books of the Bible.” Thankfully, the early church fathers were nearly unanimous in recognizing these Gnostic scrolls as fraudulent forgeries that espouse false doctrines about Jesus Christ, salvation, God, and every other crucial Christian truth. There are countless contradictions between the Gnostic “gospels” and the Bible. Even when the so-called Christian Gnostics quote from the Bible, they rewrite verses and parts of verses to harmonize with their philosophy, a practice that is strictly forbidden and warned against by Scripture (Deuteronomy 4:2; 12:32; Proverbs 30:6; Revelation 22:18-19).

The Person of Jesus Christ is another area where Christianity and Gnosticism drastically differ. The Gnostics believe that Jesus’ physical body was not real, but only “seemed” to be physical, and that His spirit descended upon Him at His baptism, but left Him just before His crucifixion. Such views destroy not only the true humanity of Jesus, but also the atonement, for Jesus must not only have been truly God, but also the truly human (and physically real) man who actually suffered and died upon the cross in order to be the acceptable substitutionary sacrifice for sin (Hebrews 2:14-17). The biblical view of Jesus affirms His complete humanity as well as His full deity.

Gnosticism is based on a mystical, intuitive, subjective, inward, emotional approach to truth which is not new at all. It is very old, going back in some form to the Garden of Eden, where Satan questioned God and the words He spoke and convinced Adam and Eve to reject them and accept a lie. He does the same thing today as he “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). He still calls God and the Bible into question and catches in his web those who are either naïve and scripturally uninformed or who are seeking some personal revelation to make them feel special, unique, and superior to others. Let us follow the Apostle Paul who said to “test everything. Hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), and this we do by comparing everything to the Word of God, the only Truth.got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[mikesw]

yes the gnostics denied that God could coexist in flesh so the Incarnation was rejected by them since the flesh and matter was evil. They like the JW's also denied the bodily Resurrection of Jesus therefor denying the gospel.

Gnosticism was perhaps the most dangerous heresy that threatened the early church during the first three centuries. Influenced by such philosophers as Plato, Gnosticism is based on two false premises. First, it espouses a dualism regarding spirit and matter. Gnostics assert that matter is inherently evil and spirit is good. As a result of this presupposition, Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

Second, Gnostics claim to possess an elevated knowledge, a “higher truth” known only to a certain few. Gnosticism comes from the Greek word gnosis which means “to know.” Gnostics claim to possess a higher knowledge, not from the Bible, but acquired on some mystical higher plane of existence. Gnostics see themselves as a privileged class elevated above everybody else by their higher, deeper knowledge of God.

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Gnosticism is based on a mystical, intuitive, subjective, inward, emotional approach to truth which is not new at all. It is very old, going back in some form to the Garden of Eden, where Satan questioned God and the words He spoke and convinced Adam and Eve to reject them and accept a lie. He does the same thing today as he “prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour” (1 Peter 5:8). He still calls God and the Bible into question and catches in his web those who are either naïve and scripturally uninformed or who are seeking some personal revelation to make them feel special, unique, and superior to others. Let us follow the Apostle Paul who said to “test everything. Hold on to the good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21), and this we do by comparing everything to the Word of God, the only Truth.got?

hope this helps !!!

I was sharing the sense of Gnosticism as a later development or as more clarified in later centuries. That is why I suggested that Plato's concepts could distract people in the first century from the doctrine about Christ. Christ could have been initially perceived as an ideal by non-Christians (fake Christians). So they could then blend the Platonic concepts into that with the resultant idea that God the Son could not become incarnate. There would have to be some alternative sense behind the nature or identity Christ. So some people would claim their idea of a purer form of who Christ could be. I think it is more of a reductionism or rationalism rather than hidden knowledge.
So I just offer a basis for possible refinement of ideas.

Study of Gnostic documents themselves has become much more precise since the discovery in 1945 near Nag Hammadi, Egypt, of a collection of Gnostic and non-Gnostic documents written in Coptic. The discovery has greatly expanded knowledge of the Gnostics and has served to verify much of what Irenaeus said. The collection overall dates from the middle of the fourth century CE, but many of the documents appear to be translations of earlier originals from Greek (and in a smaller number of cases, perhaps from Syriac), with the original writings going back to the second or third century

Walter F. Taylor Jr., Paul: Apostle to the Nations: An Introduction ( Fortress Press, 2012), 74.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Dear readers
What this Forum member displays is a racist-based ideology, probably psychopathic, disguised as Theology.
According to this ideology

What I present is the Scripture as written and rightly divided. I hold that when the Abraham Covenant was made and later recorded by Moses that God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13) and with his Hebrew seed. His Hebrew seed is identified as the family line of Eber from which we get the word "Hebrew," and since both Abram and Sarai were uncle and niece and married, their children (Isaac) was wholly Hebrew who also married in the family. When God made covenant with Abram the Hebrew there were no non-Hebrews in this covenant. NONE. I have also challenged everyone here - including you, a follower of a false eastern religion to use the Scripture in Genesis 12, 15, and 17 to show in the text of the Abraham Covenant God making mention or naming non-Hebrew Gentiles as included in this covenant and NO ONE has in this past year provided Scripture from this covenant as recorded by Moses (also a Hebrew) to show the world God making covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles.
NONE.
And so, the adding of non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew covenants (Abraham, Mosaic, New) is a false Constantinian Gentile contrivance based upon misinterpretation of the New Covenant writings from Matthew to Revelation that breaks Scripture and violates the Word of God as written in the Hebrew Scripture. If there is no Old Testament precedence, then there is no New Testament reality. And THAT is the bottom line.
There is no evidence that God included non-Hebrew Gentiles in any of the three Hebrew Covenants which means non-Hebrew Gentiles do not have any inheritance through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and Jacob's children, a people known in Scripture and in reality, as the children of Israel. And if there is no covenant between God and non-Hebrews recorded in the Hebrew Scripture, then the only conclusion that can rightly be reached is that non-Hebrew Gentiles are outside of the Hebrew Covenants and do not have salvation of their souls given or offered to them of God.

• God does not love the Chinese

God loves the children of Israel.

• God does not ask his children to love the Chinese

Correct. The command of God to the children of Israel on the subject of love is found in Leviticus and upheld by Jesus Christ.

• God is not the Father of the Chinese

Correct. Ham and Japheth are the father of the Gentile Chinese.

• Chinese have no spiritual situation whatsoever.

Correct. The Holy Spirit of Promise as promised to the children of Israel by the prophet Joel and mentioned by Peter in Acts 2 is a prophecy and promise given to Israel - NOT GENTILES.

• Chinese have no future in eternity. Their lives are as short of that of a dog or a pig, which have "no spiritual situation".

Correct.

• Chinese can properly be called "dogs" or "swine".

Correct.

The conclusion of this is that Chinese (or Congolese, or Australians, or anyone without Jew genes) are sub-humans.

God elevated the children of Israel who are the seed of Abraham ABOVE ALL FAMILIES that are on the face of the earth.

PROOF:
6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. Deuteronomy 7:6.

Genocides have been preceded by a discourse in which the enemies are not seen as humans, but as sub-humans.
During the Second World War, Jews were not humans before Nazi's eyes. They were called rats.
During the Rwandan Genocide, Tutsis were not humans before Hutu's eyes. They were called cockroaches.

So, I respectfully ask the @Administrator to consider again whether the discourse of @jeremiah1five is one that helps to preserve the safety and security of people of all races, ethnicities and religions in this Forum.
My apologies for bothering you once again, dear @Administrator.

It is true that @jeremiah1five has not made a direct call to arrest or kill a non-Jewish person... but nazis and hutus also didn't make that call either, when they started. What they did first is to spread a discourse that prepared the scene to allow good people to remain indifferent when violence started.
In the end, one could ask: what is wrong with treating swine like swine, rats like rats, and cockroaches as cockroaches?

If you want more evidence, @jeremiah1five has said that Jesus called to "shoot the wolves". He posted a photo with a wolf being in the sights of a shooter, in indirect reference to me and people who think like me (see links below). In this Forum, 99% of people do not think like him and probably do not have documented Jew ethnicity, so the threat is for all of us.

Scripture proof:

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 19:11–21.

It is an incredible thing for you to say God loves the Chinese or the Congolese and yet when Christ returns, He is destroying the very people you say He loves. THAT is NOT love. Those whom God loves He saves. Those God does not love He allows to remain in their sin which is their condemnation as declared by Christ in John 3.

Please do not minimize the threat. The massive shootings in the schools of the US are preceded by signs of people who feel isolated, rejected, and that express hatred through hate discourses.

Sin is sin and what we all witness in events like this and other expressions of hatred towards God by those that do not love God are signs of sin and unrepented sin. God is Sovereign over His creation, and He will bring His plan for His Chosen people to a glorious conclusion. Your thoughts are not His thoughts, and your ways are not His ways.
God will do all His good pleasure despite your inability to knowing His will because your sin has blinded you to His truth. God knows the end from the beginning BECAUSE He has ordained the end. And in the end the prayer of God's people shall be fulfilled: "THY WILL BE DONE on earth as it is in heaven."
Amen.

Do you have a problem with that?

 

[jeremiah1five]

'For many deceivers are entered into the world,
who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
This is a deceiver and an antichrist'
(2John 1:7)

Hello there,

Is John referring to the Gnostics of his day in 2 John 1:7?

* I read that:- 'The Gnostics believed that the physical body of Jesus was not real but only appeared to be physical. Their claim was, and remains, that His spirit descended upon Him at baptism and then departed His body just prior to His crucifixion.' (quote)

* The verses that follow instruct believers as to how to deal with such a company:-

'Look to yourselves,
that we lose not those things which we have wrought,
but that we receive a full reward.
.. Whosoever transgresseth,
.... and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
...... hath not God.
........ He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
.......... he hath both the Father and the Son.
..If there come any unto you,
.... and bring not this doctrine,
...... receive him not into your house,
........ neither bid him God speed:'
.......... For he that biddeth him God speed
............ is partaker of his evil deeds.'
(2John 1:8-11)

* I was of the impression that this referred to such as Jehovah's Witnesses, who deny the deity of Christ, for in doing so they also are not abiding in the doctrine of Christ, are they?

Thank you in anticipation,
In Christ Jesus
Chris

The background of what was taking place in Israel was the frequent claims by some that they were the Messiah. Jesus said, "many shall come in my name claiming they were the Christ." And these are the ones John is referring to in his letter, in the verse you quote.

7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 2 John 1:7.

 

[Joe]

I recognize and respect your literal interpretation of this verse.
To me, The Word of God is not literally Jesus Christ, nor can the Word literally become flesh.
In any case, the author of 2 John was not concerned about anyone denying Jesus was God, because he himself knew that God was the Fther of Jesus Christ. That is why he says from the start: “Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love”

Hello Friend,

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. John, the Apostle of Jesus Christ wrote very clearly in John 1:1-2 that Jesus Christ is the Word who was with God, and the Word was God, and was in the beginning with God. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν.

And in verse 14, the Apostle John states the Word was made flesh. Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας·

You have stated your belief about John 1, "The Word of God is not literally Jesus Christ, nor can the Word literally become flesh.", and you are seriously wrong. You disbelieve the Apostle's testimony. And if you are seriously wrong with this clear and concise confession from one of the Lord's Apostles, then you most certainly are wrong in other aspects of who Jesus Christ is, for His Deity has been declared beforehand, and has been made manifest. The unbelieving Jewish people of His day didn't believe He was God either, and we know what they did and what happened to them.

"But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God." (Joh 5:17-18)

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (Joh 8:56-59)

They did not try to stone Jesus for saying He was before Abraham, but that He was claiming to be God by saying "I AM", which is His name that He gave Moses when he asked. (Exo 3:13-14)​

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross." (Php 2:5-8)

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight." (Col 1:15-22)

"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isa 9:6)

"Behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jer 23:5-6)

"While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'LORD,' saying: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, TILL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL" '? If David then calls Him 'LORD,' how is He his Son?" And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore." (Mat 22:41-46)

"And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the LORD has said, Among the remnant whom the LORD calls." (Joel 2:32)
What is the name of the LORD?

"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the 'STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED BY YOU BUILDERS, WHICH HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE.' Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Act 4:10-12)​

This is enough biblical evidence to prove that the Son of Man, Jesus Christ is God, Θεός, Theós in our human form, the flesh.

I earnestly hope that you repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed by the One and only True God. There is only way to God and that is through His Son Jesus Christ. There is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of all.


God Bless

 

[civic]

Hello Friend,

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. John, the Apostle of Jesus Christ wrote very clearly in John 1:1-2 that Jesus Christ is the Word who was with God, and the Word was God, and was in the beginning with God. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν.

And in verse 14, the Apostle John states the Word was made flesh. Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας·

You have stated your belief about John 1, "The Word of God is not literally Jesus Christ, nor can the Word literally become flesh.", and you are seriously wrong. You disbelieve the Apostle's testimony. And if you are seriously wrong with this clear and concise confession from one of the Lord's Apostles, then you most certainly are wrong in other aspects of who Jesus Christ is, for His Deity has been declared beforehand, and has been made manifest. The unbelieving Jewish people of His day didn't believe He was God either, and we know what they did and what happened to them.

"But Jesus answered them, "My Father has been working until now, and I have been working." Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God." (Joh 5:17-18)

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (Joh 8:56-59)

They did not try to stone Jesus for saying He was before Abraham, but that He was claiming to be God by saying "I AM", which is His name that He gave Moses when he asked. (Exo 3:13-14)​

"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross." (Php 2:5-8)

"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight." (Col 1:15-22)

"For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isa 9:6)

"Behold, the days are coming," says the LORD, "That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness; A King shall reign and prosper, And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth. In His days Judah will be saved, And Israel will dwell safely; Now this is His name by which He will be called: THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS." (Jer 23:5-6)

"While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him 'LORD,' saying: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, TILL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL" '? If David then calls Him 'LORD,' how is He his Son?" And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore." (Mat 22:41-46)

"And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the LORD Shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the LORD has said, Among the remnant whom the LORD calls." (Joel 2:32)
What is the name of the LORD?

"let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. This is the 'STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED BY YOU BUILDERS, WHICH HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE.' Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Act 4:10-12)​

This is enough biblical evidence to prove that the Son of Man, Jesus Christ is God, Θεός, Theós in our human form, the flesh.

I earnestly hope that you repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed by the One and only True God. There is only way to God and that is through His Son Jesus Christ. There is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of all.


God Bless

Another biblical and exegetical response brother- well said !!!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Hello Friend,

Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. John, the Apostle of Jesus Christ wrote very clearly in John 1:1-2 that Jesus Christ is the Word who was with God, and the Word was God, and was in the beginning with God. Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν.

And in verse 14, the Apostle John states the Word was made flesh. Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο καὶ ἐσκήνωσεν ἐν ἡμῖν, καὶ ἐθεασάμεθα τὴν δόξαν αὐτοῦ, δόξαν ὡς μονογενοῦς παρὰ πατρός, πλήρης χάριτος καὶ ἀληθείας·

Hello Joe

I don’t think the Word became flesh literally, but metaphorically. Please remember that the Word of God is an abstraction, not a physical object. “The Word became flesh” is a poetic way that the Word of God, his Logos, became manifested in a man… that such man spoke (and lived by) the Word.
This is clear from the fact that God ask us to listen to what his Son speaks, and Jesus tell us that He speaks the words his Father asked him to speak. Jesus also tell us that his words (if followed) give eternal life.

I earnestly hope that you repent

We cannot ask people to “repent” from an intellectual error. We ask people to repent from sin… from a moral error.
The distinction is important.
I am a sinner not because I reject the doctrine of the Trinity. I am a sinner because I do not love my neighbor.

and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed by the One and only True God.

The One and Only True God is the Father of Jesus. The one Jesus called “My God”.

There is only way to God and that is through His Son Jesus Christ.

Then let’s do as Jesus did. Let’s prostrate before the God Jesus prostrated to, and submit our lives to such God.

There is only one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one God and Father of all.

Amen. I worship that God and Father of all… the God and Father of Jesus, the God and Father of the apostles, your God and Father.

 

[civic]

Hello Joe

I don’t think the Word became flesh literally, but metaphorically. Please remember that the Word of God is an abstraction, not a physical object. “The Word became flesh” is a poetic way that the Word of God, his Logos, became manifested in a man… that such man spoke (and lived by) the Word.
This is clear from the fact that God ask us to listen to what his Son speaks, and Jesus tell us that He speaks the words his Father asked him to speak. Jesus also tell us that his words (if followed) give eternal life.

We cannot ask people to “repent” from an intellectual error. We ask people to repent from sin… from a moral error.
The distinction is important.
I am a sinner not because I reject the doctrine of the Trinity. I am a sinner because I do not love my neighbor.


The One and Only True God is the Father of Jesus. The one Jesus called “My God”.

Then let’s do as Jesus did. Let’s prostrate before the God Jesus prostrated to, and submit our lives to such God.

Amen. I worship that God and Father of all… the God and Father of Jesus, the God and Father of the apostles, your God and Father.

John 1:1 is not the "word of God " but is in fact the WORD WHO WAS GOD. A Person, not an abstraction.

He the Word, the Son became literally flesh, a man whom we know is Jesus.

That is ctystal clear from Johns Prologue since God created everything and the scriptures tell us that it was the Son ( the Word who was God ) created all things and without HIM nothing was made that was made.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

John 1:1 is not the "word of God " but is in fact the WORD WHO WAS GOD. A Person, not an abstraction.

Every word is pronounced by someone. No Person can be the Word literally.
When we speak of the Love of God, we do not think that Love is a separate person, even when the Bible says “God is Love”.
Same with light. The light is not a person, but John 1:9 refers to the Light as if it were Jesus.

Light, Love, Life, Word, Wisdom, are all abstractions, not separate persons. Poetically they are applied to personal beings.

That is ctystal clear from Johns Prologue since God created everything and the scriptures tell us that it was the Son ( the Word who was God ) created all things and without HIM nothing was made that was made.

hope this helps !!!

That is poetry
.

 

[civic]

Every word is pronounced by someone. No Person can be the Word literally.
When speak of the Love of God and do not think that Love is a separate person, even when the Bible says “God is Love”.
Same with light. The light is not a person, but John 1:9 refers to the Light as if it were Jesus.

Light, Love, Life, Word, Wisdom, are all abstractions, not separate persons. Poetically they are applied to personal beings.


That is poetry
.

God is PERSONAL- PERSON, PERSONS.

Persons speak words they are not words. The Word ( the Son, God ) spoke the world,universe,creation into existence. John 1:1-4.

 

[Joe]

Hello Joe

I don’t think the Word became flesh literally, but metaphorically. Please remember that the Word of God is an abstraction, not a physical object. “The Word became flesh” is a poetic way that the Word of God, his Logos, became manifested in a man… that such man spoke (and lived by) the Word.
This is clear from the fact that God ask us to listen to what his Son speaks, and Jesus tell us that He speaks the words his Father asked him to speak. Jesus also tell us that his words (if followed) give eternal life.

Hello Pancho,

What you think and that which is true are not the same. Not because I say so, but due to the facts that your thoughts do not align with the truth.

Yes, He always spoke His Father's Word, but that does not make Him any less Divine than His Father. And this is well documented in the OT and NT; the scriptures of which I have already given to you.

We cannot ask people to “repent” from an intellectual error. We ask people to repent from sin… from a moral error.
The distinction is important.

We do ask people to repent-have a change of mind about "intellectual error", especially when their error is a sin of unbelief! Gnosticism is one of those "intellectual errors". John called their heresy from the antichrist.

You express something similar that Jesus Christ is not God Θεός, Theós in our human form, but a man that God's Word "became manifested". You deny the Divinity of the Son of God who came on our human form.

In John 1:1-3, who is the "He" and "him" and what correlation is "He" and "him" to the "Word"? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." (Jn 1:1-3)

I will answer. The person of "He" and "him" are mutual to "the Word" and the "Word" is mutual to "He" and "him". All of these words reference one person, God's Son the Lord Jesus Christ who was in the beginning with God and was God. And all things were made through him.

Jesus Christ told Nicodemous, "No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man". This means the person known as Jesus Christ preexisted in Heaven before descending from Heaven.

"Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men."

Jesus Christ was in the form of God before becoming a man. And while in the form of God, He was with God and was God and all things were made through Him.



And we do ask people to repent-have a change of mind about living immorally.

And yes, the distinction is important because one must know the difference between the two when approaching one caught up in a heresy and another caught up in immorality.

I am a sinner not because I reject the doctrine of the Trinity. I am a sinner because I do not love my neighbor.

We are sinners because we sin. That is what a sinner is. And disbelieving the testimony of God, His Son, and His Son's Apostles is the sin of unbelief. You cannot say it was not revealed to you, for God has made sure it is documented right before your eyes. You may not understand it, but when we don't understand we pray and ask God to teach us. You simply disbelieve it and trust your own mind.

Repent from your unbelief of the Lord Jesus Christ and believe He is who God has revealed Him to be, His Son that is equal with Him and was with Him in the beginning, And by whom all things were made through.

The One and Only True God is the Father of Jesus. The one Jesus called “My God”.

Then let’s do as Jesus did. Let’s prostrate before the God Jesus prostrated to, and submit our lives to such God.

Amen. I worship that God and Father of all… the God and Father of Jesus, the God and Father of the apostles, your God and Father.

Pancho, if you did, you would not confess to be a Baha'i and disbelieve Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. It is that simple.


God Bless

 

[civic]

Hello Pancho,

What you think and that which is true are not the same. Not because I say so, but due to the facts that your thoughts do not align with the truth.

Yes, He always spoke His Father's Word, but that does not make Him any less Divine than His Father. And this is well documented in the OT and NT; the scriptures of which I have already given to you.


We do ask people to repent-have a change of mind about "intellectual error", especially when their error is a sin of unbelief! Gnosticism is one of those "intellectual errors". John called their heresy from the antichrist.

You express something similar that Jesus Christ is not God Θεός, Theós in our human form, but a man that God's Word "became manifested". You deny the Divinity of the Son of God who came on our human form.

In John 1:1-3, who is the "He" and "him" and what correlation is "He" and "him" to the "Word"? "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made." (Jn 1:1-3)

I will answer. The person of "He" and "him" are mutual to "the Word" and the "Word" is mutual to "He" and "him". All of these words reference one person, God's Son the Lord Jesus Christ who was in the beginning with God and was God. And all things were made through him.

Jesus Christ told Nicodemous, "No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man". This means the person known as Jesus Christ preexisted in Heaven before descending from Heaven.

"Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men."

Jesus Christ was in the form of God before becoming a man. And while in the form of God, He was with God and was God and all things were made through Him.



And we do ask people to repent-have a change of mind about living immorally.

And yes, the distinction is important because one must know the difference between the two when approaching one caught up in a heresy and another caught up in immorality.


We are sinners because we sin. That is what a sinner is. And disbelieving the testimony of God, His Son, and His Son's Apostles is the sin of unbelief. You cannot say it was not revealed to you, for God has made sure it is documented right before your eyes. You may not understand it, but when we don't understand we pray and ask God to teach us. You simply disbelieve it and trust your own mind.

Repent from your unbelief of the Lord Jesus Christ and believe He is who God has revealed Him to be, His Son that is equal with Him and was with Him in the beginning, And by whom all things were made through.

Pancho, if you did, you would not confess to be a Baha'i and disbelieve Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. It is that simple.


God Bless

Ditto

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

God is PERSONAL- PERSON, PERSONS.

Dear civic

A personal being can only be one person, have one mind, one will. Otherwise it is not personal.
So, these are examples of entities that are not personal:

Assembly
Council
Family
Church
Board
Meeting
Club
Team
Organization
Government

All these entities don't have one single will and mind. They cannot love.
Certainly, the persons who compose this entity can agree to act as if they had one will or one mind. But this has to come from agreement. Each component is free to think and do different. For example: We are expected to be united with Christ and have the mind of Christ as if we were one with Christ. But certainly, Christ, civic and Pancho are different persons, not one person.

If you believe that God is personal, then by definition God cannot be a collective of persons, but One Person.
If you believe that God is impersonal, then it can be a collective.

Persons speak words they are not words. The Word ( the Son, God ) spoke the world,universe,creation into existence. John 1:1-4.

I agree that persons are not words. That's why when the Bible says "The Word did X or Y", as if it were a person, it is speaking metaphorically, using a literary resource (personification).
Same with "Wisdom", for example, or "Light".

 

[Pancho Frijoles]

Pancho, if you did, you would not confess to be a Baha'i and disbelieve Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. It is that simple.

I worship the Person who Jesus declared to be "The Only and True God" (John 17:1-3). It's that simple.
People from many religions different than yours worship the same God your worship: the Almighty, All-Knowing, All-Merciful, Eternal Creator, to whom we will be held accountable.

May I ask you the following:
Do you believe that the Jews in your neighborhood worship the Only and True God, or a false god?

 

[Joe]

I worship the Person who Jesus declared to be "The Only and True God" (John 17:1-3). It's that simple.
People from many religions different than yours worship the same God your worship: the Almighty, All-Knowing, All-Merciful, Eternal Creator, to whom we will be held accountable.

May I ask you the following:
Do you believe that the Jews in your neighborhood worship the Only and True God, or a false god?

Unbelieving Jewish people do not worship Jesus Christ as God. Believing Jewish people worship Him as God, Creator, Redeemer, Judge of all men, King over the Kingdom of God, Savior, and etc because we can read it in the OT and NT of the bible.

Heb 1:8-12 "But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. (9) You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” (10) And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; (11) they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, (12) like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.”

God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The bible unequivocally states it, so it does not matter what unbelieving men think. It is what God has revealed, and He has revealed His Son as the Savior of all man of whom He calls God and Lord, of whom is from everlasting to everlasting. These things are said by God of His Son.

And, no, you are wrong. People from many religions who stay in their religion do not worship the true Living God, otherwise they would confess Jesus Christ as Lord and follow Him, no longer following a false god in a false religion. Jesus Christ is "a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel".

"And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles— the people dwelling in darkness have seen a great light, and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death, on them a light has dawned.”
(Mat 4:13-16)

The Apostle Paul said about Jesus Christ commanded him, “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’”. Also before king Agrippa he testified, "saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass: that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”

And, "Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

There is absolutely no way anyone who comes to faith (hearing, believing, trusting) in Jesus Christ stays in a false religion serving a false god. They repent-turn away from serving a false god of a false religion and serve the true Living God, because they follow the light of the world and no longer remain in darkness.

There is only one true Living God and He is the God of the Jews! None other.

God Bless

 

[praise_yeshua]

Unbelieving Jewish people do not worship Jesus Christ as God. Believing Jewish people worship Him as God, Creator, Redeemer, Judge of all men, King over the Kingdom of God, Savior, and etc because we can read it in the OT and NT of the bible.

Heb 1:8-12 "But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. (9) You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” (10) And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; (11) they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, (12) like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.”

God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The bible unequivocally states it, so it does not matter what unbelieving men think. It is what God has revealed, and He has revealed His Son as the Savior of all man of whom He calls God and Lord, of whom is from everlasting to everlasting. These things are said by God of His Son.

And, no, you are wrong. People from many religions who stay in their religion do not worship the true Living God, otherwise they would confess Jesus Christ as Lord and follow Him, no longer following a false god in a false religion. Jesus Christ is "a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel".

"And leaving Nazareth he went and lived in Capernaum by the sea, in the territory of Zebulun and Naphtali, so that what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled: “The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles— the people dwelling in darkness have seen a great light, and for those dwelling in the region and shadow of death, on them a light has dawned.”
(Mat 4:13-16)

The Apostle Paul said about Jesus Christ commanded him, “‘I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.’”. Also before king Agrippa he testified, "saying nothing but what the prophets and Moses said would come to pass: that the Christ must suffer and that, by being the first to rise from the dead, he would proclaim light both to our people and to the Gentiles.”

And, "Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

There is absolutely no way anyone who comes to faith (hearing, believing, trusting) in Jesus Christ stays in a false religion serving a false god. They repent-turn away from serving a false god of a false religion and serve the true Living God, because they follow the light of the world and no longer remain in darkness.

There is only one true Living God and He is the God of the Jews! None other.

God Bless

The theological battle of the human mind exists not in whether "God" exists or not. Such is the territory of fools. The "fool" claims there is no God. The battle exists in WHO God is. That is why the Scriptures declare God as the great "I AM".

" I AM, that I AM".

A self declaration of the Essence of "God Alone" or "Christ Alone".

This is where our battle lives against the powers of this world and Satan. Satan is transformed as "christ" to this world.