A Question concerning 2 John 1:7

[civic]

Yes, Jesus (God Himself) appeared “bodily” many times. Why? …so that flesh man could see Him (flesh man can’t see a spiritual man). See, in heaven, we will all have spiritual bodies. There will be no flesh bodies there.

John 1:14 (NKJV) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

1 Corinthians 15:40-44 (NKJV) 40 [There are] also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial [is] one, and the [glory] of the terrestrial [is] another. 41 [There is] one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for [one] star differs from [another] star in glory. 42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. [The body] is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 CORINTHIANS 15:50: “Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.”

Jehovah’s Witnesses claim that Jesus could not have risen in His human body of flesh and bones, because Scripture states that “flesh and blood” cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Notice that Jesus did not say that His resurrected body was made of “flesh and blood.” Rather, He said His body was made of “flesh and bone” (Luke 24:39). This is significant because the term “flesh and blood” is often used in Scripture to refer to mortal humanity,in contrast to the imperishable, resurrected body alluded to by the phrase, “flesh and bones.”

Far from claiming that the resurrected human body cannot inherit God’s kingdom, this passage asserts that the mortal, perishable human body (made of flesh and blood) cannot inherit the immortal, imperishable kingdom of God. Indeed as 1 Corinthians 15:53 states, “this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put onimmortality.”

A spiritual body denotes an immortal body. A spiritual body is one that is dominated by the spirit, not one that is devoid of matter. The Greek word pneumatikos means a body that is directed by the spirit as opposed to one under the dominion of the flesh. It is not ruled by the flesh that perishes but by the spirit that endures. (1 Corinthians 15:50-58). A spiritual body does no mean immaterial or invisible but immortal and imperishable. Paul makes these parallels:

Earthly- Heavenly (verse 40)
Perishable- Imperishable (verse 42)
Weak- Powerful(verse 43)
Natural-Supernatural(verse 44)
Mortal- Immortal(verse 53)

The content shows that spiritual (pneumatikos) could be translated supernatural in contrast to natural from the parallels of perishable and imperishable, corruptible and incorruptible. Pneumatikos is translated supernatural in 1 Corinthians 10:4regarding the supernatural rock that followed them in the wilderness. In the translation spiritual refers to physical objects. In 1 Corinthians 10:45 Paul spoke of the spiritual rock that followed Israel in the wilderness from which they got spiritual drink 1 Corinthians 10:4.But the OT story (Exodus 17,Numbers 20)reveals it was a physical rock from which they got literal water to drink. The actual water they drank from the material rock was produced supernaturally. Further Paul spoke about a spiritual man 1 Corinthians 2:15 he obviously did not mean an invisible, immaterial man with no corporeal body. He was as a matter of fact speaking of a flesh and blood human being whose life is lived by the supernatural power of God, a literal person whose life is Spirit directed. A spiritual man is one who is taught by the Spirit and who receives the things that come from the Spirit of God. (1 Corinthians 2:13-14). The resurrection body can be called a spiritual body in much the same way we speak of the bible being a spiritual book. Regardless of their spiritual source and power both the resurrection body and the bible are material objects.

Life giving Spirit does not speak of the nature of Christ’s resurrected body but of the divine origin of the resurrection. Jesus physical body came back to life only by the power of God.(Romans 1:4). Paul is speaking about its spiritual source not its physical substance as a material body. If spirit describes the nature of Christ’s resurrected body then Adam with whom He is contrasted must not have a soul since he is described as of the earth, made of dust (verse 47). But the bible clearly says that Adam was a living soul(Genesis 2:7). Christ’s body is called a spiritual body(soma) which always means a physical body when referring to an individual human being. The resurrected body is called spiritual and life giving spirit because its source is in the spiritual realm, not because its substance is immaterial. Christ’s supernatural resurrection body is from heaven as Adams natural body was from the earth. (verse 47). But just as the one from earth has an immaterial soul even so the One from heaven has a material body. Rhodes

hope this helps !!!

 

[Selah]

hope this helps !!!

…helps with what? I love all these scriptures in chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians.

 

[Selah]

A spiritual body denotes an immortal body.

The way I see it, a spiritual body does not necessarily refer to an immortal body.

We are all granted spiritual bodies after our flesh (natural) bodies die. This includes both the saved and the unsaved alike:
1 Corinthians 15:44-52 (NKJV) 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man [was] of the earth, [made] of dust; the second Man [is] the Lord from heaven. 48 As [was] the [man] of dust, so also [are] those [who are made] of dust; and as [is] the heavenly [Man,] so also [are] those [who are] heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the [man] of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly [Man.] 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

*** Notice that we are changed to incorruptible, not immortal bodies. We will not become immortal, but rather be given an incorruptible spiritual body, although this doesn't guarantee immortality.

1 Corinthians 15:54-58 (NKJV) 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O Death, where [is] your sting? O Hades, where [is] your victory?” 56 The sting of death [is] sin, and the strength of sin [is] the law. 57 But thanks [be] to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

So, once again, everyone is raised from flesh to spiritual bodies, transforming from corruptible flesh to incorruptible spirit. The First Resurrection to eternal life occurs when Jesus returns, when the saints (the overcomers) in their spiritual bodies are raised to immortality (eternal life). Those who don't make the cut at the First Resurrection will remain in their spiritual bodies during the Millennium, facing the Great White Throne judgment which happens after the 1,000 years of the Millennium. However, those who participate in the First Resurrection to eternal life receive greater blessings and are not subject to the Second Resurrection, as they have already been raised to immortality (given eternal life).

Revelation 20:6 (NKJV) Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

 

[civic]

The way I see it, a spiritual body does not necessarily refer to an immortal body.

We are all granted spiritual bodies after our flesh (natural) bodies die. This includes both the saved and the unsaved alike:
1 Corinthians 15:44-52 (NKJV) 44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam [became] a life-giving spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. 47 The first man [was] of the earth, [made] of dust; the second Man [is] the Lord from heaven. 48 As [was] the [man] of dust, so also [are] those [who are made] of dust; and as [is] the heavenly [Man,] so also [are] those [who are] heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the [man] of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly [Man.] 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

*** Notice that we are changed to incorruptible, not immortal bodies. We will not become immortal, but rather be given an incorruptible spiritual body, although this doesn't guarantee immortality.

1 Corinthians 15:54-58 (NKJV) 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” 55 “O Death, where [is] your sting? O Hades, where [is] your victory?” 56 The sting of death [is] sin, and the strength of sin [is] the law. 57 But thanks [be] to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

So, once again, everyone is raised from flesh to spiritual bodies, transforming from corruptible flesh to incorruptible spirit. The First Resurrection to eternal life occurs when Jesus returns, when the saints (the overcomers) in their spiritual bodies are raised to immortality (eternal life). Those who don't make the cut at the First Resurrection will remain in their spiritual bodies during the Millennium, facing the Great White Throne judgment which happens after the 1,000 years of the Millennium. However, those who participate in the First Resurrection to eternal life receive greater blessings and are not subject to the Second Resurrection, as they have already been raised to immortality (given eternal life).

Revelation 20:6 (NKJV) Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Jesus resurrected body was flesh and bones. We will be like Him with the same resurrected bodies.

 

[Selah]

Jesus resurrected body was flesh and bones. We will be like Him with the same resurrected bodies.

Do you understand what the first resurrection to immortality is?

 

[Selah]

Jesus resurrected body was flesh and bones. We will be like Him with the same resurrected bodies.

Is God flesh and bones?

 

[civic]

Is God flesh and bones?

Jesus is 100%. He rose with the same body that was in the grave yet glorified. He declared His body was literal flesh and bones.

 

[jeremiah1five]

'Whosoever transgresseth,
and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath both the Father and the Son.'
(2 John 1:9)

Hello @jeremiah1five,

Looking again at the verse above, I agree with you, it does appear to refer to the teaching of Christ, rather than to His Person. Those who transgress and abide not in the doctrine of Christ, refers to false teachers who claim to bring some higher teaching, beyond the Apostles doctrine.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

John wrote those words, and he was referring to the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets, or the Hebrew Scripture.
Notice the word "transgress." "Transgress" always refers to the Law.
The Law was given by Christ to Moses to the people. It was not given by Jesus for He had not been born yet, and while Christ is eternal, Jesus was not.

 

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John wrote those words, and he was referring to the Law, Psalms, and the Prophets, or the Hebrew Scripture.
Notice the word "transgress." "Transgress" always refers to the Law.
The Law was given by GOD to Moses to the people. It was not given by Jesus for He had not been born yet, and while Christ is eternal, Jesus was not.

'Whosoever transgresseth,
and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ,
hath not God.
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ,
he hath both the Father and the Son.
If there come any unto you,
and bring not this doctrine,
receive him not into your house,
neither bid him God speed:'
(2 John 1:9)

'And He (the Lord Jesus Christ) said unto them, (the scribes & pharisees)
These are the words which I spake unto you,
while I was yet with you,
that all things must be fulfilled,
which were written in the law of Moses,
and in the prophets, and in the psalms,
concerning Me.'
(Luke 24:44)

TRANSGRESS, TRANSGRESSOR.
1. parabaino = to step on one side, overstep, go aside from, violate, transgress.
2. parerchomai = to go past, pass by, neglect.
3. parabates, = one who steps aside, or oversteps.

'Why do thy disciples transgress (parabano) the tradition of the elders?
for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
But He answered and said unto them,
Why do ye also transgress (parabano) the commandment of God
by your tradition?
(Matthew 15:2-3)

Thank you @jeremiah1five
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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'Search the scriptures;
for in them ye think ye have eternal life:
and they are they which testify of Me.
(Joh 5:39)

'Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
called to be an apostle,
separated unto the gospel of God,
(Which He had promised afore
by His prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, '
(Rom 1:1-3a)

'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel,
and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:'
(Rom 16:25-26)

'Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand
my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;'
(Eph 3:4-5)

 

[Keiw1]

Low Christological view of Messiah.

Textual Anchor: John 8:58 (Textus Receptus)
"πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἐγώ εἰμι."
"Before Abraham was, I am."

Greek Grammar Breakdown:
γενέσθαι – aorist infinitive of γίνομαι, indicating a point of origin in time (i.e., Abraham came into being at a moment).

ἐγώ εἰμι – 1st person singular present indicative of εἰμί, yet not following temporal sequence; no predicate, and not idiomatic Greek.

This deliberate grammatical non-parallel sets up a contrast:

Abraham came to be at a moment in time (γενέσθαι),

But Jesus always is—not was, not became, but ἐγώ εἰμι—eternal present existence.

2. LXX Background: Exodus 3:14
Greek LXX (Exod. 3:14):
"Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν"
– “I am the one who is.”

This is the Septuagint rendering of YHWH’s self-revelation to Moses.

Scholarly Corroboration:
A.T. Robertson, Grammar of the GNT, p. 886:

"ἐγώ εἰμι used absolutely, as in John 8:58, is the most emphatic way in Greek to claim timeless existence. It is a deliberate echo of the divine name in Exodus."

BDAG (s.v. εἰμί, 2.b):

“Especially in Johannine usage, ἐγώ εἰμι without predicate functions as a title … modeled on Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν in Ex 3:14 LXX.”

C.F.D. Moule, Idiom Book, p. 114:

“This use of ἐγώ εἰμι, standing absolutely, is unique and theologically loaded, clearly referencing the divine name.”

Kenneth Wuest, Word Studies in the Greek NT:

“The use of ἐγώ εἰμι here is not idiomatic or incidental. Jesus is not saying, ‘I was before Abraham,’ but instead identifying Himself with the timeless present: the ‘I AM’ of Exodus 3:14.”

Bob Utley, Commentary on John:

“This is the clearest and boldest claim to deity in the Gospels. The Jews understood it. That is why they took up stones (v. 59).”

3. Jewish Reaction Confirms the Meaning
John 8:59:

“Then took they up stones to cast at him…”

Stoning is the Levitical punishment for blasphemy (cf. Leviticus 24:16). Their response shows that they understood Jesus' ἐγώ εἰμι as a divine claim, not just odd grammar.

If Jesus had meant “I existed before Abraham,” the Greek would more naturally be something like:

πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι, ἤμην (“I was”)
But He avoids the past tense deliberately. This signals non-temporal, eternal self-existence.

4. Other Instances of ἐγώ εἰμι Without Predicate
John 6:20 – “It is I” (ἐγώ εἰμι), calms storm → cf. Psalm 107:29; Job 9:8

John 13:19 – “That you may believe that I am He (ἐγώ εἰμι).”

John 18:5–6 – When Jesus says “ἐγώ εἰμι,” the soldiers fall backward (suggesting divine power).

In each of these, ἐγώ εἰμι serves as more than identification—it signals divine self-identification, especially in contexts of power, authority, or fulfillment of prophecy (Isa. 43:10–11: “that ye may know… I am he”).

5. Theological Weight: Eternality and Identity
John 8:58 places Jesus in the realm of pre-temporal existence. The formula ἐγώ εἰμι implies:

Unoriginated being (cf. Heb. 7:3 – "without beginning of days...")

Identity with the YHWH of Israel (cf. Isa. 41:4; 43:10–13 – “I am He”)


In John 8:58, Jesus uses the absolute form ἐγώ εἰμι, not as a grammatical placeholder or temporal claim, but as a deliberate identification with the divine name revealed in Exodus 3:14. The Greek grammar (non-parallel tenses), theological background (LXX), Jewish response (stoning), and supporting Johannine uses all converge to show that Jesus was unambiguously claiming to be YHWH—not metaphorically, but ontologically.

J.

Jesus did live before Abraham= Before Abraham was i am. He answered the Pharisees honestly that is all. It says 0 about being God. I know your confusion on that matter. In the Hebrew written OT, there is no-i am that i am. I will be what i will be is the correct translating of that Hebrew statement according to Hebrews. Trinity bibles are filled with misleading errors like that.
Psalm 110:1= The utterance of YHVH(Jehovah) to my Lord, sit at my( not ours) right hand until i make your enemies as a stool for your feet.= Quoted in NT at Matt 22:44 -- See again because trinity translations are altered they removed Gods name and replaced it with titles- GOD -LORD --So your bible says the LORD said to my Lord.
Altered and error filled translations mislead one to not enter Gods kingdom.

 

[Keiw1]

"I AM" says a thing about God, but you ignore that.

There is no such statement in the Hebrew OT that translates-i am that i am-FACT= it translates-i will be what i will be.