Your Views on The Trinity

[synergy]

Is it written in Rev 3:21 synergy?
Again, we have to learn not to exceed to what is written synergy, so we will not be arrogant explaining what is not there.

You're sounding like unitarians who repeatedly ask where is "Trinity" mentioned in the Bible? I gave you Rev 3:21. Use your grammatical and deductive skills as well as the fact that Believers never sit on the Father's Throne and the fact that Jesus is God. Do you believe Jesus is God?

 

[Capbook]

You're sounding like unitarians who repeatedly ask where is "Trinity" mentioned in the Bible? I gave you Rev 3:21. Use your grammatical and deductive skills as well as the fact that Believers never sit on the Father's Throne and the fact that Jesus is God. Do you believe Jesus is God?

I just speak what the Bible say synergy, trying not to exceed to what is written.

Being in one throne does not oppose the concept of Trinity synergy.
The three persons in the Godhead had the power to interdwell.

 

[synergy]

I just speak what the Bible say synergy, trying not to exceed to what is written.

I've answered your questions now please have the courtesy to answer mine:

1. Do you believe that Jesus is God?
2. Where does the Bible ever say that Believers will reign on the Father's Throne, if that's what you're promoting.

 

[Capbook]

I've answered your questions now please have the courtesy to answer mine:

1. Do you believe that Jesus is God?
2. Where does the Bible ever say that Believers will reign on the Father's Throne, if that's what you're promoting.

1. By the fact that I explain to you the Godhead.
Yes, Jesus possessed the nature of God.
2. Strawman, did I say believers will “reign” synergy?

 

[synergy]

1. By the fact that I explain to you the Godhead.
Yes, Jesus possessed the nature of God.

That makes Jesus God, right?

2. Strawman, did I say believers will “reign” synergy?

You said "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Tell us where that is written in the Bible.

Yes, Runningman, we have to learn to what is written, believers can sit at the Father's throne but always bear in mind it is not ours.

 

[Capbook]

That makes Jesus God, right?

Yes.

You said "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Tell us where that strawman of yours is written in the Bible.

Yes, I do say the word “sit” but no “reign.”
Synergy, “strawman” means you misrepresent what I said, instead of “sit” you say “reign.”
That’s what “strawman argument” means.

 

[synergy]

Yes.

Excellent!

Yes, I do say the word “sit” but no “reign.”
Synergy, “strawman” means you misrepresent what I said, instead of “sit” you say “reign.”
That’s what “strawman argument” means.

Ok. I corrected my question and I quoted you directly.

You said "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Tell us where that is written in the Bible.

 

[Capbook]

Excellent!

Ok. I corrected my question.

You said "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Tell us where that is written in the Bible.

Synergy, where did Jesus sit on Rev 3:21?
If Jesus sit on the Father’s throne can you guess who Jesus said to sit with Him?

 

[synergy]

Synergy, where did Jesus sit on Rev 3:21?
If Jesus sit on the Father’s throne can you guess who Jesus said to sit with Him?

No skipping over questions. That's not polite. Answer mine and I'll be more than happy to answer yours.

You said "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Tell us where that is written in the Bible.

 

[Capbook]

No skipping over questions. That's not polite.

I just test your logic there synergy.
Firstly, I did not skip, I answered but to be logically understood.

And if really need to simplify, here, Jesus sit on the Father’s throne, so the believers as to sit with Jesus as Jesus said, “sit with Me.”
Therefore, the overcomers sit with Jesus on the Father’s throne where Jesus sits.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Synergy, where did Jesus sit on Rev 3:21?
If Jesus sit on the Father’s throne can you guess who Jesus said to sit with Him?

Choice of words are important.

I appears to me that you believe that Jesus Christ is subservient to the Father. That isn't an accurate description of the relationship. The Holy Trinity serves each other. 3 Persons unified in Character. They agree in all things.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I just test your logic there synergy.
Firstly, I did not skip, I answered but to be logically understood.

And if really need to simplify, here, Jesus sit on the Father’s throne, so the believers as to sit with Jesus as Jesus said, “sit with Me.”
Therefore, the overcomers sit with Jesus on the Father’s throne where Jesus sits.

How about "share in". This word "sit" alone doesn't completely convene the thought. Words are not islands in the middle of vast oceans. They connect and convey meaning.

It conveys a sense of authority. It is largely metaphorical and allegorical. It is intended the use an earthly context to convey a heaven meaning. Those "two" are often very different from one another.

 

[Capbook]

Choice of words are important.

I appears to me that you believe that Jesus Christ is subservient to the Father. That isn't an accurate description of the relationship. The Holy Trinity serves each other. 3 Persons unified in Character. They agree in all things.

Relational subservient praise_yeshua
Do you want your son to obey you or not?

The three have different positions, rank and functions for the salvation of mankind but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t of the same essence as God.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Relational subservient synergy.
Do you want your son to obey you or not?

The three have different positions, rank and functions for the salvation of mankind but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t of the same essence as God synergy.

I replied to what synergy wrote to you but it is little ole PY here...

No. I don't want my son to obey me. I want my son to understand why I do the things I do. Obedience implies resistance. Obedience implies something greater commanding something lesser.

If you are a Trinitarian, I would say you haven't understood Unity of Character they share. There is no context of separation in any of this. In Essence they are immaculately joined in substance.

Jesus Christ confined himself to flesh. As such, He grew. He was limited in what He could show through his flesh. That didn't change anything about His Divine Personage.

 

[synergy]

I just test your logic there synergy.
Firstly, I did not skip, I answered but to be logically understood.

So it's just your logic that tells you that "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Let's explore that logic.

And if really need to simplify, here, Jesus sit on the Father’s throne, so the believers as to sit with Jesus as Jesus said, “sit with Me.”
Therefore, the overcomers sit with Jesus on the Father’s throne where Jesus sits.

You skipped over the fact that Jesus said "on my Throne" when he said "sit down with me". Try to read entire verses next time. It helps a lot.

Rev 3:21 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

A grammatical distinction is made between "His Throne" and "My Throne". Did you catch that?

 

[Capbook]

How about "share in". This word "sit" alone doesn't completely convene the thought. Words are not islands in the middle of vast oceans. They connect and convey meaning.

It conveys a sense of authority. It is largely metaphorical and allegorical. It is intended the use an earthly context to convey a heaven meaning. Those "two" are often very different from one another.

The word “sit” in Rev 3:21, bears Strong#G2523, in Greek “καθίζω kathizō” major definition by Bible lexicon as - to make to sit down, to sit, to sit down, and etc.

That speaks of literally sitting praise_yeshua.

Rev 3:21 ' R1 He who overcomes G3528 , I will grant G1325  to him  R2 to sit G2523  down G2523  with Me on My throne G2362 , as  R3 I also G2532  overcame G3528  and sat G2523  down G2523  with My Father G3962  on His throne G2362 .

G2523 (Thayer)
καθίζω kathizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to make to sit down
1a) to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one
2) intransitively
2a) to sit down
2b) to sit

 

[praise_yeshua]

The word “sit” in Rev 3:21, bears Strong#G2523, in Greek “καθίζω kathizō” major definition by Bible lexicon as - to make to sit down, to sit, to sit down, and etc.

That speaks of literally sitting praise_yeshua.

Rev 3:21 ' R1 He who overcomes G3528 , I will grant G1325  to him  R2 to sit G2523  down G2523  with Me on My throne G2362 , as  R3 I also G2532  overcame G3528  and sat G2523  down G2523  with My Father G3962  on His throne G2362 .

G2523 (Thayer)
καθίζω kathizō
Thayer Definition:
1) to make to sit down
1a) to set, appoint, to confer a kingdom on one
2) intransitively
2a) to sit down
2b) to sit

I already know the information you just provided. However, you're not applying it properly.

Do you remember when two disciple's mother asked about the authority of her sons in Christ's Kingdom?

Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.

Do you remember Christ's first response?

 

[Capbook]

I already know the information you just provided. However, you're not applying it properly.

I quote Bible lexicon, do that mean that the Bible lexicon did not provide proper application?

Do you remember when two disciple's mother asked about the authority of her sons in Christ's Kingdom?

Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.

Do you remember Christ's first response?

I just believe it is of different context.
Can you interpret that the overcomers in Rev 3:21 can have the same interprerarion of Mat?

 

[Capbook]

So it's just your logic that tells you that "believers can sit at the Father's throne". Let's explore that logic.

You skipped over the fact that Jesus said "on my Throne" when he said "sit down with me". Try to read entire verses next time. It helps a lot.

Rev 3:21 'He who overcomes, I will grant to him to sit down with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

A grammatical distinction is made between "His Throne" and "My Throne". Did you catch that?

Ok, let me elaborate more fully;
1. Jesus said sit with Me on my throne.
2. Did Jesus sit on His throne synergy?
3. As Jesus said He will sit on the Father’s throne.
4. And the overcomers sit on Jesus throne.
5. Are they sitting in the same throne?
6. If they are not stting on the same throne.
7. How is the “sit with Me” Jesus words done there synergy.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I quote Bible lexicon, do that mean that the Bible lexicon did not provide proper application?

1. Bible lexicon are not authorities on any subject. They share opinions. I know the subject. I don't need their opinions. I make my own choices. You should do the same and stop this nonsense of posting their opinion and claim to be right. You're not.
2. There is not context of sharing any information without provide "perspective". In other words "exegesis".

You are doing it yourself. I'm doing it too. If you really don't understand these facts, I don't know why you're even trying to debate this subject at all.

I just believe it is of different context.
Can you interpret that the overcomers in Rev 3:21 can have the same interprerarion of Mat?

Same word. Same context. Thrones. Authority. "Sitting" in thrones. Don't try to divorce identical contexts.