Runningman
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Any of them are fine for me. How about just your first point. Those are verses I also quote. How do you interpret those?
Your Views on The Trinity
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praise_yeshua
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Do you ask anything from Jesus? How can you call yourself a Christian and not deal directly with Jesus Christ?
Has God shut your mouth yet?
Runningman
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No of course God hasn't shut my mouth. If anything I am more emboldened and ready to keep going.
John 16
23In that day you will no longer ask Me anything. Truly, truly, I tell you, whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you. 24Until now you have not asked for anything in My name. Ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete.
25I have spoken these things to you in figures of speech. An hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you this way, but will tell you plainly about the Father. 26In that day you will ask in My name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf.
praise_yeshua
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More emboldened? Sounds familiar.
Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
So you didn't ask Jesus to save you? Who saved you?
Runningman
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Get familiar with this one:
Acts 4
31After they had prayed, their meeting place was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.
I would also add, Acts 4:23-31 is proof Jesus isn't the sovereign Lord, Creator, God, etc. Yes, I am quite emboldened by the truth and all of the support from Scripture I enjoy. Every debate is easy to me.
Maybe. But you are emboldened by it to deny the truth. That is the wrong way to approach scripture.
sure every debate is easy to you. You are not bothered by the scriptures that reveal your heresy. You simply dismiss any passage that destroys your view.
@FreeInChrist
The scriptures never said that the Son was manifest in the flesh.
@FreeInChrist, the Word was NOT born, God's son was conceived by the Power of the Highest, and was born into this world! Mary did not give birth to God, but to God's Son!
Again you said: "We have the Word who then is God's only begotten."
No ma'am you need some more learning before speaking on this subject, no pun intended just stating a obvious fact. The Word was "not" God's only begotten Son~the Word was God period, without any qualifications. The Word joined Himself to the tabernacle of God's Son and lived in this world for around thirty three plus years. Jesus was a complex person, fully God, and fully man, Jesus was indeed God manifest in the flesh, yet God was not Jesus Christ, for He is a Spirit that lives in eternity. Without controversy a great mystery.
I'm not denying that the Word was made flesh, of course it was, and that Word was God, per:
1st Timothy 3:16
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”The scriptures never said that the Son was manifest in the flesh.
In Jesus' deity he was one with the God in His eternal nature as God, being in the bosom as the Eternal God as One God. I have no clue what you are attempting to say in your quote ~ and not so sure you do.
We shall see and test your scripture.
Well now, you just might want to stop and try this again, for you have made a very serious error, where the RCC might agree with you, but no sound Christian would ever agree with this statement.
@FreeInChrist, the Word was NOT born, God's son was conceived by the Power of the Highest, and was born into this world! Mary did not give birth to God, but to God's Son!
Again you said: "We have the Word who then is God's only begotten."
No ma'am you need some more learning before speaking on this subject, no pun intended just stating a obvious fact. The Word was "not" God's only begotten Son~the Word was God period, without any qualifications. The Word joined Himself to the tabernacle of God's Son and lived in this world for around thirty three plus years. Jesus was a complex person, fully God, and fully man, Jesus was indeed God manifest in the flesh, yet God was not Jesus Christ, for He is a Spirit that lives in eternity. Without controversy a great mystery.
Not sure what you are trying so say, but I will say this base on what I think you are trying to say. God did not die, His Son did. We must separate the two natures of Christ, or one will be very confused on this subject, which you are. Again, no pun intended.
Keep studying, you might stop hitting your head against the wall.
Runningman
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Scripture equips me quite well to debate those who would challenge it. You say God is a trinity, I just show you the verse that proves you wrong. John 17:3 and 1 Corinthians 8:6 are still there by the way.
I am still waiting for you to demonstrate some basic level of debate preparedness. All I see so far is myopic reading of scripture. If you were sufficiently equipped, you would have convinced people. Somehow though you think you are unassailable. That is an exalted, undeserved image of yourself.
Runningman
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I don't have anything to debate regarding my God. Scripture explicitly states who my God is and I am simply showing you what it says. You are the one on the debate trying to prove your god. That's why it's so tough for you. You really just don't have the resources to bolster your position much. Sure you can debate all you like, but you can't really prove your point since you have no one repeating your conclusions in the Bible. It will always come back to "Where is there trinity explained or described in the Bible?"
If you have nothing to debate, pack up your bags and go home. Be quiet and take your gnostic doctrine with your. Your logic has been evaluated and failed miserably. If you cannot provide sufficient counter views to those shared from scripture, you should reevaluate what you think is true within your unitarian beliefs. Someone who cannot be corrected is simply dangerous to himself.
It hardly is reasonable for you to create new doctrine and treat it as accurate and proper without going into sufficient debate involving qualified opponents. If you cannot convince anyone but a few novices or even a few somewhat skilled people, then you ought not be pushing your views as if true ideas. We see how badly people are directed by a guy who claims to find golden tablets and translates them himself. Don't be like that.
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FreeInChrist
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Finally you have seen the light and say that " In Jesus' deity he was one with the God in His eternal nature as God, being in the bosom as the Eternal God as One God." which is almost correct.
It was not that long ago you were arguing that the deity of Jesus was only after he was born.... that he was not from before creation... Now if I have to I will find that debate and post it for you to see what you said.
What I am saying is the Father was referred to as Father for before time and the Word as God before time... and the Word became incarnate Jesus... so Jesus was from eternity past....
The Word became flesh. He most certainly was God's begotten Son.
Red... Your eisegesis is so wrong on this one.....
The Word was Jesus. period. If not you should cut cut John out of your bible.
No wonder you do not understand the Trinity as most do.
Not sure what you are trying so say, but I will say this base on what I think you are trying to say. God did not die, His Son did. We must separate the two natures of Christ, or one will be very confused on this subject, which you are. Again, no pun intended.
Keep studying, you might stop hitting your head against the wall.
My head is just fine....
You have mixed up things that were not even talked about. Of course God did not die, His Son did.
I never once said anything like this.
I said the Word became flesh.... and the flesh was named Jesus... That is factually and scripturally true and every thing else that you talked around was for not because this is what I was saying.....
@FreeInChrist
I have never said that to be so. I'll answer the rest of your post tomorrow ~ too late today for me to do so. Jesus was the God of Genesis 1:1! How many times have you heard me to say this? Too many to count.
praise_yeshua
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Do you mind answering my question? You keep ignoring half of what I say.
Who saved you? Do you ask anything of Jesus?
Runningman
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Again, the Bible isn't gnostic about God. The Bible does fully and plainly reveal who God is and it consistently says that God is the Father.
Watch how this works. We Christians say the only God is the Father. Scripture you ask? Ok sure, I will show you where Scripture explicitly says the one God for us Christians is the Father. Nothing gnostic about this.
1 Corinthians 8
4So about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
Now your turn. If you aren't a gnostic then put up some scripture about who your god is, clearly defined and explained, using scripture. If not, you and your god can take a hike. Got it? Now post the Scripture or forfeit the debate with some class.
I'm noting your gnostic hidden knowledge is at fault. You are offering a novel of scripture with a private interpretation. If you want Christians to believe this, then put up a sufficient argument among theologians and get some confirmation of your new doctrine.
praise_yeshua
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Jesus is God. He is called Master.
Now I know you have many masters and follow men. I have one Master. As God Incarnate, He is the only access you have to the Father. You don't have access to the Father without the Son.
You can't treat the Father and Son as being anything but equals. If you do, you will love one and hate the other.
That is where you are at. You say you love the Father while actively hating upon the Son. All you ever do is insist that those who love Jesus Christ as God are actually condemning themselves to damnation.
This is really really ridiculous.
Are you done yet?
Runningman
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So just for the record, the Bible doesn't say the Father is the one and only true God or you're just blind to it?
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