Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

well the him was made flesh, listen, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

so, what is the name of the .... "IT" .... then? ... your answer please.

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John 1:14 is not a teaching on the trinity or that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. The "Word" is the wisdom, plan or purpose of God and the Word became flesh as Jesus Christ. Thus, Jesus Christ was the Word in the flesh, which is shortened to the Word for ease of speaking. Scripture is also the Word in writing. Everyone agrees that the Word in writing had a beginning. So did the Word in the flesh. In fact, the Greek text of Matthew 1:18 says that very clearly: "Now the beginning of Jesus Christ was in this manner..." The modern Greek texts all read "beginning" in Matthew 1:18. Birth is considered an acceptable translation since the beginning of some things is birth, and so most translations read birth. Nevertheless, the proper understanding of Matthew 1:18 is the beginning of Jesus Christ. In the beginning God had a plan, a purpose, which became flesh when Jesus was conceived.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

 

[Runningman]

One way I write it is like this...

If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

It didn't take long for heresies to form. Probably Gnosticism was the first heresy that was present in the time of Paul. If there were others, they were probably still lesser known at the time. I guess most of the heresies formed off of Gnosticism which would include trinitarianism. They appeal to secret knowledge about God being a trinity, dress it up, make it sound spiritual and religious, and claim it's the truth when, according to the Bible, it's a falsehood.

Did you notice all they do the whole day is argue against what the Bible says? I showed one of them what the word only means in John 17:3 and he replied by asking me about the word only in Jude 1:4. It seems we both came to an agreement about Jude 1:4, but on the matter of John 17:3 he wouldn't agree with the word only. Same thing regarding the temporary reign of Jesus in Hebrews 1:13 and 1 Corinthians 15:25, which says "Sit at my right hand until..." and "He must reign until..." Guess what happened there? One of them made a full blown write-up about how the word until doesn't mean mean what every dictionary and lexicon says it does.

When you start getting closer to the soft underbelly of trinitarianism, it's the time that they start to panic, throw up smokescreens, run away, deny, accuse, etc. Why? Because they are trying to protect their very fragile idol and the truths you expose threaten it.

 

[Capbook]

Scriptures states Jesus was carried to heaven and will return the same way. He'll be carried back to earth by God because he isn't God. He doesn't know when he returns. Only the Father knows that.

Luke 24
51While He was blessing them, He left them and was carried up into heaven.

Acts 1
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

Runningman, in both verses you quote nothing that said "the Father decided to carry Jesus."
But verses below, Jesus had ascended, ascending and lifted up.
You may forgot what Jesus possessed, He said, "all things the Father had are mine," though given but "all" means equality of power and all..

Joh 3:13 "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

Joh 6:62 "What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?

Act 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

Scripture states others can have the divine nature and the fullness of the Deity welling in them too. You don't add anything that would distinguish Jesus from anyone else.

Nothing are mine there Runningman, I quote Bible verses and seven (7) Bible Lexicons that proves Jesus is in the nature of God, Divine Nature, Divine being, Deity, Divinity etc, defining Godhead.

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

1. Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament,
2. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT),
3. Thayer's Greek Lexicon,
4. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament,
5. The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament,
6. Legacy Standard Bible Exhaustive Concordance,
7. New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance.

Unitarian will always be misled, self-reliance interpretation, paraphrase translation usage that does not have Strong numbers of Bible words, the basis where we can find its meaning at the time of its use, defined by Bible Lexicons.

Col 2:9 ForG3754 inG1722 himG846 dwellethG2730 allG3956 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GodheadG2320 bodily.G4985

G2320
θεότης theotēs
- the nature or state of being God',deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
means "deity", the rank of God.
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
deity i. e. the state of being God, Godhead: Col 2:9
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
This word, meaning "divinity," occurs in the NT only in Col 2:9
(from Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, abridged edition, Copyright © 1985 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
G2320 (Mounce Lexicon)
θεότης theotēs
1x: divinity, deity, godhead, Col_2:9.
(The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
theotēs; from 2316; deity: — Deity(1).
(Legacy Standard Bible Exhaustive Concordance)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
theotēs; from 2316; deity: — Deity(1).
(New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance)

1 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Again Runningman, if you quote Bible verses be sure it is correct.
Why is that?

Ephesians 3
19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

That is our grand goal, that is, in Christ we will be filled, with the divine wisdom, knowledge, and love; as God is full, and as Christ who dwells in our hearts through the Holy Spirit.

What does "until" mean here?

1 Corinthians 15
25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

And you don't see "until" in Hebrews 1:13? I just looked at over 3 dozen English Bible versions and they all say either "until" or "till." Which version of the Bible do you use that removed "until" from what was originally quoted in Psalm 110:1?

Runningman, as you oppose what is also written in the Bible as Jesus "sitting" at the right hand of power.
As you interpret Jesus cannot sit "until," He has put all His enemies under His feet.
Can you support with Bible texts of what is Jesus doing now, Is He;
1. Standing?
2. Walking?
3. etc, as you know?

 

[Capbook]

An Interlinear or Concordance shows how the Bible translates a word and not what the Greek actually means. The pronoun is an "it" when it refers to an inanimate noun like the "Word" because Greek has grammatical gender and the "Word" in John 1 is a thing so the Greek says it's an "it."

I quote seven (7) Bible lexicons that proves Jesus as in the state or nature of God, and etc., but the response only opinion?

 

[Capbook]

One way I write it is like this...

If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

If you cannot grasp the concept of Trinity as it is not written in the Bible.
But we can understand that Unitarians opposed Jesus as God, but I also know that the word "Unitarian" is not in the Bible.
In response to the above bolded phrase "I am Jesus and I'm also God."
Jesus said, "If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true. (John 5:31)
"There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.(John 5:32, Heb 1:8)

Let me elaborate Unitarians' position;

. . . . . . . . . . . . .Trinitarian . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Unitarians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. Unitarians
. . . . . . . . .(Jesus is God/Man) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Jesus is not God) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Other Arguments)
. . . . . . . . . . . John 1:1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .John 14:28 Father is greater that I
. . . . . . . . . . .John 1:18 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .John 5:19 Jesus can do nothing
. . . . . . . . . . .Phil 2:6-8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Matt 24:36 Jesus do not know His coming
. . . . . . . . . . .Col 2:9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . John 7:16 Jesus teaching not His
. . . . . . . . . . .1John 5:20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1Tim 2:5 Jesus as man

We can post many more but I believe the middle will always be nothing.
Maybe Unitarians can supply some verses in the middle.
We'll just wait.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, in both verses you quote nothing that said "the Father decided to carry Jesus."
But verses below, Jesus had ascended, ascending and lifted up.
You may forgot what Jesus possessed, He said, "all things the Father had are mine," though given but "all" means equality of power and all..

Joh 3:13 "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

Joh 6:62 "What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before?

Act 1:9 And after He had said these things, He was lifted up while they were looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.

None of this undoes the fact the Jesus was carried to heaven which means there is a carrier and the one who receives the carrying. Easy to understand English.

All of the disciples recalled Jesus as having been taken to heaven, not under his own power, but by God:

Luke 24
51While He was blessing them, He left them and was carried up into heaven.

Mark 16
19After the Lord Jesuse had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Nothing are mine there Runningman, I quote Bible verses and seven (7) Bible Lexicons that proves Jesus is in the nature of God, Divine Nature, Divine being, Deity, Divinity etc, defining Godhead.

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Act 17:29 "Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.

Col 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

Here we are again. You have shown nothing that distinguishes Jesus from others. Repeating the same point won't provide a different outcome.

Scripture states others can have the divine nature and the fullness of the Deity welling in them too. You don't add anything that would distinguish Jesus from anyone else.

1 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Ephesians 3
19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

1. Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament,
2. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT),
3. Thayer's Greek Lexicon,
4. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament,
5. The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament,
6. Legacy Standard Bible Exhaustive Concordance,
7. New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance.

Unitarian will always be misled, self-reliance interpretation, paraphrase translation usage that does not have Strong numbers of Bible words, the basis where we can find its meaning at the time of its use, defined by Bible Lexicons.

Col 2:9 ForG3754 inG1722 himG846 dwellethG2730 allG3956 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GodheadG2320 bodily.G4985

G2320
θεότης theotēs
- the nature or state of being God',deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
means "deity", the rank of God.
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
deity i. e. the state of being God, Godhead: Col 2:9
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
This word, meaning "divinity," occurs in the NT only in Col 2:9
(from Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, abridged edition, Copyright © 1985 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
G2320 (Mounce Lexicon)
θεότης theotēs
1x: divinity, deity, godhead, Col_2:9.
(The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
theotēs; from 2316; deity: — Deity(1).
(Legacy Standard Bible Exhaustive Concordance)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
theotēs; from 2316; deity: — Deity(1).
(New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance)


Again Runningman, if you quote Bible verses be sure it is correct.
Why is that?

That is our grand goal, that is, in Christ we will be filled, with the divine wisdom, knowledge, and love; as God is full, and as Christ who dwells in our hearts through the Holy Spirit.

Runningman, as you oppose what is also written in the Bible as Jesus "sitting" at the right hand of power.
As you interpret Jesus cannot sit "until," He has put all His enemies under His feet.
Can you support with Bible texts of what is Jesus doing now, Is He;
1. Standing?
2. Walking?
3. etc, as you know?

So are you attempting to make a meaningless distinction between the word Deity and God?

 

[praise_yeshua]

None of this undoes the fact the Jesus was carried to heaven which means there is a carrier and the one who receives the carrying. Easy to understand English.

All of the disciples recalled Jesus as having been taken to heaven, not under his own power, but by God:

Luke 24
51While He was blessing them, He left them and was carried up into heaven.

Mark 16
19After the Lord Jesuse had spoken to them, He was taken up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God.

Here we are again. You have shown nothing that distinguishes Jesus from others. Repeating the same point won't provide a different outcome.

Scripture states others can have the divine nature and the fullness of the Deity welling in them too. You don't add anything that would distinguish Jesus from anyone else.

1 Peter 1
4Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

Ephesians 3
19of the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


So are you attempting to make a meaningless distinction between the word Deity and God?

Funny. How about paying attention to what Jesus said. It is obvious you're not concerned with what Jesus actual said about Himself. Pay attention to what Jesus said.

Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Now explain this away....

 

[Peterlag]

If you cannot grasp the concept of Trinity as it is not written in the Bible.
But we can understand that Unitarians opposed Jesus as God, but I also know that the word "Unitarian" is not in the Bible.
In response to the above bolded phrase "I am Jesus and I'm also God."
Jesus said, "If I alone testify about Myself, My testimony is not true. (John 5:31)
"There is another who testifies of Me, and I know that the testimony which He gives about Me is true.(John 5:32, Heb 1:8)

Let me elaborate Unitarians' position;

. . . . . . . . . . . . .Trinitarian . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Unitarians . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. Unitarians
. . . . . . . . .(Jesus is God/Man) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Jesus is not God) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (Other Arguments)
. . . . . . . . . . . John 1:1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .John 14:28 Father is greater that I
. . . . . . . . . . .John 1:18 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .John 5:19 Jesus can do nothing
. . . . . . . . . . .Phil 2:6-8 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Matt 24:36 Jesus do not know His coming
. . . . . . . . . . .Col 2:9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . . John 7:16 Jesus teaching not His
. . . . . . . . . . .1John 5:20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . nothing . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1Tim 2:5 Jesus as man

We can post many more but I believe the middle will always be nothing.
Maybe Unitarians can supply some verses in the middle.
We'll just wait.

The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

 

[Peterlag]

I quote seven (7) Bible lexicons that proves Jesus as in the state or nature of God, and etc., but the response only opinion?

The Trinity does not come from Scripture. It comes from the doctrine of devils that the churches teach (and in most cases it's the first thing they teach) and then they begin to look for Scripture that supports such a concept. They do this by taking the verses out of context, or not understanding how the words were used in the culture they were written in, or from a bad translation.

 

[Peterlag]

It didn't take long for heresies to form. Probably Gnosticism was the first heresy that was present in the time of Paul. If there were others, they were probably still lesser known at the time. I guess most of the heresies formed off of Gnosticism which would include trinitarianism. They appeal to secret knowledge about God being a trinity, dress it up, make it sound spiritual and religious, and claim it's the truth when, according to the Bible, it's a falsehood.

Did you notice all they do the whole day is argue against what the Bible says? I showed one of them what the word only means in John 17:3 and he replied by asking me about the word only in Jude 1:4. It seems we both came to an agreement about Jude 1:4, but on the matter of John 17:3 he wouldn't agree with the word only. Same thing regarding the temporary reign of Jesus in Hebrews 1:13 and 1 Corinthians 15:25, which says "Sit at my right hand until..." and "He must reign until..." Guess what happened there? One of them made a full blown write-up about how the word until doesn't mean mean what every dictionary and lexicon says it does.

When you start getting closer to the soft underbelly of trinitarianism, it's the time that they start to panic, throw up smokescreens, run away, deny, accuse, etc. Why? Because they are trying to protect their very fragile idol and the truths you expose threaten it.

They are just not honest. Take for example John 8:58...

Jesus said "ego eimi" .... God didn't.
The Greek word in Exodus 3:14 is not the same word Jesus used in John 8:58.

 

[praise_yeshua]

They are just not honest. Take for example John 8:58...

Jesus said "ego eimi" .... God didn't.
The Greek word in Exodus 3:14 is not the same word Jesus used in John 8:58.

Sure it is. What manuscript are you referencing? Do you even know? Are you using your playbook?

 

[Peterlag]

Sure it is. What manuscript are you referencing? Do you even know? Are you using your playbook?

Not only wrong but dishonest too.
Jesus said “ego eimi” in John 8, NOT “ego eimi ho eimi” (I am the One Who Is) as Exodus 3:14 is written in the Septuagint !

 

[praise_yeshua]

Not only wrong but dishonest too.
Jesus said “ego eimi” in John 8, NOT “ego eimi ho eimi” (I am the One Who Is) as Exodus 3:14 is written in the Septuagint !

I asked what manuscript? There are many manuscripts associated with the history of the LXX. Stop assuming. You're being dishonest in "assuming".

 

[Peterlag]

I find Trinitarians either stupid or dishonest. Which is it...

Take for example John 8:58...

Jesus said "ego eimi" .... God didn't. The Greek word in Exodus 3:14 is not the same word Jesus used in John 8:58. Jesus said “ego eimi” in John 8. Not “ego eimi ho eimi” which means "I am the One who is" as Exodus 3:14 is written in the Septuagint. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am" which was a common phrase in the New Testament and isn't the name of anyone. The disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ at the last supper. They said literally "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating oneself and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. And it is not. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham that Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I find Trinitarians either stupid or dishonest. Which is it...

Take for example John 8:58...

Jesus said "ego eimi" .... God didn't. The Greek word in Exodus 3:14 is not the same word Jesus used in John 8:58. Jesus said “ego eimi” in John 8. Not “ego eimi ho eimi” which means "I am the One who is" as Exodus 3:14 is written in the Septuagint. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am" which was a common phrase in the New Testament and isn't the name of anyone. The disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ at the last supper. They said literally "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating oneself and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. And it is not. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham that Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

Ah. So you don't mind showing your disdain for Trinitarians.

What happened to your "attack the subject" and "not the person" requirement from earlier?

Don't worry. I've found over the years that very few people actually mean this. It is just an empty play to try to look superior. Good job failing your own requirement.

 

[synergy]

We aren't impressed by your mental gymnastics, but the this is not much different than the show you put on with your replies about the word only in John 17:3. Straight denials of the meanings of words and a lot of talking about nothing doesn't make it go away. Anything in Scripture that refutes the trinity you deny exists. Perhaps a Bible discussion isn't what you need, but prayer to be free from your spiritual prison. Do you want me to pray to the Father for you?

With your way of thinking then Michal had children after she died since 2 Samuel 6:23 says, “Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death.” Speaking of pure fiction, you continue to nailed it!

Also, according to your pure fiction thinking, Timothy completely ceased reading Scripture after Paul arrived according to 1 Timothy 4:13 that says “Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture...” Your way of thinking continues to get caught with its pants down.

Your pure fiction pattern continues to be consistent with your manipulation of John 17:3. Carry on with your heresies and pure fiction fairy tales.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I find Trinitarians either stupid or dishonest. Which is it...

Take for example John 8:58...

Jesus said "ego eimi" .... God didn't. The Greek word in Exodus 3:14 is not the same word Jesus used in John 8:58. Jesus said “ego eimi” in John 8. Not “ego eimi ho eimi” which means "I am the One who is" as Exodus 3:14 is written in the Septuagint. The two statements are very different. The Greek phrase in John does mean "I am" which was a common phrase in the New Testament and isn't the name of anyone. The disciples were trying to find out who would deny the Christ at the last supper. They said literally "Not I am, Lord" Matthew 26:22, 25. No one would say the disciples were trying to deny they were God because they were using the phrase "Not I am." "I am" was a common way of designating oneself and it did not mean you were claiming to be God. In order for the Trinitarian argument that Jesus' "I am" statement in John 8:58 makes him God, his statement must be equivalent with God's "I am" statement in Exodus 3:14. And it is not. The argument is made that because Jesus was "before" Abraham that Jesus must be God. Jesus figuratively existed in Abraham's time. He did not actually physically exist as a person, but rather he existed in the mind of God as God's plan for the redemption of man.

The trinitarian has only 3 to pick from...

1.) Use a verse from a bad translation.
2.) Use a verse that is taken out of context.
3.) Not understand how the words were used in the culture they were written in.

And basically that's all trinitarians have. And I mean 100 percent of what they have. They have nothing else.

There are more than 3 options. Why are you limiting options?

John 18:6 When Jesus said to them, “I am he,” they drew back and fell to the ground.

Did any of the disciples cause the same reaction and experience when they did the same?

 

[Runningman]

Funny. How about paying attention to what Jesus said. It is obvious you're not concerned with what Jesus actual said about Himself. Pay attention to what Jesus said.

Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Now explain this away....

What does this have to do with the comment you replied to? What is your point exactly? Get to explaining.

 

[Runningman]

With your way of thinking then Michal had children after she died since 2 Samuel 6:23 says, “Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child until the day of her death.” Speaking of pure fiction, you continue to nailed it!

Also, according to your pure fiction thinking, Timothy completely ceased reading Scripture after Paul arrived according to 1 Timothy 4:13 that says “Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture...” Your way of thinking continues to get caught with its pants down.

Your pure fiction pattern continues to be consistent with your manipulation of John 17:3. Carry on with your heresies and pure fiction fairy tales.

You're amused by your attempts to distort the word "only" and "until?" That's sad.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What does this have to do with the comment you replied to? What is your point exactly? Get to explaining.

You don't even realize what you're doing.......

So how does Jesus "come to you".