Your Views on The Trinity

[Runningman]

it is fine to say God is spirit. However, the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father when abiding in Christians. I do not think that is something familiar to you.

Jesus defines God as the Father consistently throughout the gospels. It is fine to say the Father is Spirit because Jesus said God is Spirit, hence Jesus taught only ever taught about worshipping the Father (John 4:23,24) and only ever taught about praying to the Father (Matthew 6:6,9) and that the Father alone is the true God (John 17:1-3.) That the Father is his and his brother's God (John 20:17) etc. You minimize the importance of the Father as God because Scripture clashes with your religion.

 

[Victoria]

it is fine to say God is spirit. However, the Holy Spirit is distinct from the Father when abiding in Christians. I do not think that is something familiar to you.

Amen!

Also, He's the one who ministers the Word unto us. He convicts, He comforts, etc. as well.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus defines God as the Father consistently throughout the gospels. It is fine to say the Father is Spirit because Jesus said God is Spirit, hence Jesus taught only ever taught about worshipping the Father (John 4:23,24) and only ever taught about praying to the Father (Matthew 6:6,9) and that the Father alone is the true God (John 17:1-3.) That the Father is his and his brother's God (John 20:17) etc. You minimize the importance of the Father as God because Scripture clashes with your religion.

You miss even the basics. I agree God is spirit. That then applies to the Father. You make it seem like there is some rejection of that concept.
Next you go into a point about praying to the Father. That does not remove the uniqueness of the Holy Spirit, who being God also is spirit. duh.

 

[Runningman]

Amen!

Also, He's the one who ministers the Word unto us. He convicts, He comforts, etc. as well.

Let's take a few examples of what Jesus said keeping in mind how Jesus defined the Father as God the Spirit in John 4:23,24.

Speaking against Jesus doesn't carry the same consequence as does speaking against the Spirit because speaking against Jesus isn't the same thing as speaking against the Spirit. So how about the Father? No mention of the Father in Matthew 12:31,32 because it would be redundant to mention the Father with the Holy Spirit. The Father is the Spirit.

Matthew 12
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

Don't lose focus on John 4:23,24 Why did Jesus say no one knows the son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the son? Jesus isn't implying the Spirit doesn't know the Father and son because the Father is the Spirit. It would be redundant to include the Spirit here since the Spirit is already being talked about.

Matthew 11
27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

Now do you understand why Jesus explicitly defined the Father as the true God alone? (John 17:3)

Why Paul said there is one God, the Father? (1 Cor. 8:6)

Why the prophets defined YHWH as the Father? (Malachi 2:10, Isaiah 64:8)

No one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit does not mean to exclude the Father from knowing the thoughts of God because the Father is the Spirit. (1 Corinthians 2:10,11)

And more. Start with that and let's see how it goes.

 

[Capbook]

Both God's glory and that of the resurrected Jesus Christ. Read the verse again. God and Christ Jesus.

Yes, because Bible lexicon defined them both as having the glory of God's nature? (Col 2:9)

Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain defined the "Godhead" bears Strong#G2320, in Greek "θεότης theotēs" as - Jesus had the state and nature of God, Divine nature, divine being etc.

Col 2:9 ForG3754 inG1722 himG846 dwellethG2730 allG3956 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GodheadG2320 bodily.G4985

G2320
θεότης theotēs
- the nature or state of being God',deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

 

[Capbook]

Hebrews 1:8 is where it's at because Jesus is a human just like the guy in Psalm 45. That's my point.

Bear in mind, your point, is opposing the Almighty God's words.
Almighty God said to the Son, Your throne, O God," nothing in the text that read "human."(Heb 1:8)
Runningman, you knowingly and intentionally fight against the Almighty God words. Be alarm.

 

[Runningman]

Bear in mind, your point, is opposing the Almighty God's words.
Almighty God said to the Son, Your throne, O God," nothing in the text that read "human."(Heb 1:8)
Runningman, you knowingly and intentionally fight against the Almighty God words. Be alarm.

Human with an eternal throne in Psalm 45:6 and they said the same thing about the man Jesus with an eternal throne in Hebrews 1:8. God Almighty is the Father.

 

[Capbook]

Refers to granted glory. God gives glory to others without making them God. See Daniel 2:37, Psalm 8:5, John 5:26,27.

Yes, but at present do the others you are referring to also have their glorious throne Runningman?

Mat 25:31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

 

[Capbook]

Human with an eternal throne in Psalm 45:6 and they said the same thing about the man Jesus with an eternal throne in Hebrews 1:8. God Almighty is the Father.

Runningman, can you read the word "human" or "God" in Heb 1:8?

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, can you read the word "human" or "God" in Heb 1:8?

It's bad theology to call anyone referred to as "god" as on the same level as God Almighty. Let's see, in the Bible the sons of God are called god, the devil is called god, various humans are called god, the word "elohim" when applied to humans in the Bible doesn't mean someone is God with a capital G. Solomon in Psalm 45:6 is elohim, but not God Almighty. Jesus in Hebrews 1:8 is elohim but not God Almighty.

 

[Runningman]

Yes, but at present do the others you are referring to also have their glorious throne Runningman?

Mat 25:31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

Did that happen yet? Look at the context. This is referring to something that takes place in the future when God decides to carry Jesus back to Earth. Millennial Kingdom time.

Matt 25
31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

 

[Capbook]

It's bad theology to call anyone referred to as "god" as on the same level as God Almighty. Let's see, in the Bible the sons of God are called god, the devil is called god, various humans are called god, the word "elohim" when applied to humans in the Bible doesn't mean someone is God with a capital G. Solomon in Psalm 45:6 is elohim, but not God Almighty. Jesus in Hebrews 1:8 is elohim but not God Almighty.

Do that mean that it's bad theology of the Almighty God the Father referring Jesus as God Runningman?

 

[Capbook]

Did that happen yet? Look at the context. This is referring to something that takes place in the future when God decides to carry Jesus back to Earth. Millennial Kingdom time.

Matt 25
31When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, He will sit on His glorious throne. 32All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate the people one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will place the sheep on His right and the goats on His left.

Runningman, on what Bible text that says the Father "decides to carry Jesus" back to earth?
Just read the text and notice the bolded word "will" Runningman and ask the question, did it already happened?
Do you believe that Jesus do not have a forever and ever throne at present Runningman?

 

[Peterlag]

Yes, because Bible lexicon defined them both as having the glory of God's nature? (Col 2:9)

Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain defined the "Godhead" bears Strong#G2320, in Greek "θεότης theotēs" as - Jesus had the state and nature of God, Divine nature, divine being etc.

Col 2:9 ForG3754 inG1722 himG846 dwellethG2730 allG3956 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GodheadG2320 bodily.G4985

G2320
θεότης theotēs
- the nature or state of being God',deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

The Greek-English Lexicon is wrong. He is the channel, not the source or the object of all things. When entering into the world, he said, "Lo... I am arriving to do thy will oh God." (Hebrews 10:7). This is one of his most gracious glories. Let us not rob Christ of it by making him identical with God in this regard.

 

[Peterlag]

Let's talk about the Holy Spirit...

The words “HOLY SPIRIT” in the Bible are primarily used in two very different ways: One way is to refer to God Himself and the other is referring to God’s nature that He gives to people. God is holy and is spirit and therefore “the Holy Spirit” with a capital “H” and a capital “S” is one of the many “names” or designations for God. God gives His holy spirit nature to people as a gift and when HOLY SPIRIT is used that way it should be translated as the “holy spirit” with a lowercase “h” and a lowercase “s.” The Bible says there is one God, and one Lord, who is the man Jesus Christ; and one gift of the holy spirit. Most Christians are aware that the original manuscripts of the Bible were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. However, it's not well known that Hebrew and Aramaic do not have uppercase and lowercase letters, but rather they just have one form for their letters.

Greek does have upper and lowercase letters, but the early Greek manuscripts were all written with only uppercase letters. Therefore, the early manuscripts had no such thing as the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because what was always written was the "HOLY SPIRIT." The capital or lowercase letters are always a translator’s interpretation whenever we read “Holy Spirit” or “holy spirit” or “Spirit” or “spirit” in the English Bible. The difference is usually due to the theology of the translator. The bottom line is we cannot know from the Hebrew or Greek texts whether the Author meant the “Holy Spirit” or the “holy spirit” because we must decide based on the context and scope of Scripture whether the reference being made is to God or God’s gift.

There are many descriptions, titles, and names for God in the Bible and I would like to add God’s proper name is “Yahweh” which occurs more than 6,000 times in the Hebrew Old Testament and is generally translated as “LORD.” But God is also referred to as Elohim, Adonai, El Shaddai, the Ancient of Days, the Holy One of Israel, Father, Shield, and by many more designations. Furthermore, God is holy (Leviticus 11:44), which is why He was called “the Holy One” (the Hebrew text uses the singular adjective “holy” to designate “the Holy One." He is also spirit (John 4:24). It makes perfect sense since God is holy and God is spirit that “Holy” and “Spirit” are sometimes combined and used as one of the many designations for God. Thus, the Hebrew or Greek words for the "HOLY SPIRIT" should be brought into English as the "Holy Spirit” when the subject of a verse is God.

None of the dozens of descriptions, titles, or names of God are believed to be a separate, co-equal “Person” in a triune God except for the “HOLY SPIRIT” and there is no solid biblical reason to make the "Holy Spirit” into a separate “Person.” In other contexts the “HOLY SPIRIT” refers to the gift of God’s nature that He placed on people and the new birth to the Christian, and in those contexts it should be translated as the “holy spirit." God placed a form of His nature which is “holy spirit” upon people when He wanted to spiritually empower them because our natural fleshly human bodies do not have spirit power of their own. This holy spirit nature of God was a gift from God to humankind and we see this in the case of Acts 2:38 when the spirit is specifically called a "gift" when given to the Christian.

God put the holy spirit upon Jesus immediately after he was baptized by John the Baptist because Jesus himself needed God’s gift of the holy spirit to have supernatural power just as the leaders and prophets of the Old Testament did. This fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies that God would put the holy spirit upon the Messiah enabling him in his ministry. The gift of the holy spirit was born “in” believers (John 14:17) after the Day of Pentecost rather than resting “upon” them and this is one reason why Christians are said to be “born again” of God’s spirit (1 Peter 1:3, 23). Christians have spiritual power when they receive the gift of the holy spirit (Acts 1:8) because the holy spirit is born in them and becomes part of their very nature, and this is why Christians are called God’s “holy ones” which is usually translated as “saints” in the New Testament.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, on what Bible text that says the Father "decides to carry Jesus" back to earth?

Scriptures states Jesus was carried to heaven and will return the same way. He'll be carried back to earth by God because he isn't God. He doesn't know when he returns. Only the Father knows that.

Luke 24
51While He was blessing them, He left them and was carried up into heaven.

Acts 1
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

Just read the text and notice the bolded word "will" Runningman and ask the question, did it already happened?

It didn't happen yet.

Do you believe that Jesus do not have a forever and ever throne at present Runningman?

Depends. He will have an eternal throne in the new heavens and new earth, but Scripture states Jesus' position at the right hand of God is temporary.

Hebrews 1
13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:
“Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”?

 

[civic]

Oops. you have the wrong "spirit" there. You missed the Holy Spirit from what you share.

a major oops

 

[Capbook]

The Greek-English Lexicon is wrong. He is the channel, not the source or the object of all things. When entering into the world, he said, "Lo... I am arriving to do thy will oh God." (Hebrews 10:7). This is one of his most gracious glories. Let us not rob Christ of it by making him identical with God in this regard.

I just wonder how many Bible lexicons will be wrong by your mere opinion. See below.

1. Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament,
2. Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament (EDNT),
3. Thayer's Greek Lexicon,
4. Theological Dictionary of the New Testament,
5. The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament,
6. Legacy Standard Bible Exhaustive Concordance,
7. New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance.

Unitarian will always be misled, self-reliance interpretation, paraphrase translation usage that does not have Strong numbers of Bible words, the basis where we can find its meaning at the time of its use, defined by Bible Lexicons.


Col 2:9 ForG3754 inG1722 himG846 dwellethG2730 allG3956 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GodheadG2320 bodily.G4985

G2320
θεότης theotēs
- the nature or state of being God',deity, divine nature, divine being.'
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
means "deity", the rank of God.
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
deity i. e. the state of being God, Godhead: Col 2:9
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
This word, meaning "divinity," occurs in the NT only in Col 2:9
(from Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, abridged edition, Copyright © 1985 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)
G2320 (Mounce Lexicon)
θεότης theotēs
1x: divinity, deity, godhead, Col_2:9.
(The Analytical Lexicon to the Greek New Testament)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
theotēs; from 2316; deity: — Deity(1).
(Legacy Standard Bible Exhaustive Concordance)
G2320
θεότης theotēs
theotēs; from 2316; deity: — Deity(1).
(New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance)

 

[Capbook]

Scriptures states Jesus was carried to heaven and will return the same way. He'll be carried back to earth by God because he isn't God. He doesn't know when he returns. Only the Father knows that.

Luke 24
51While He was blessing them, He left them and was carried up into heaven.

The text does not say the "Father decides to carry Jesus." Be careful of adding words to the Bible. (Rev 22:18)
And learn not to exceed to what is written Runningman.

1Co 4:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written, so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

It didn't happen yet.

Do that mean that you do not believe what the Father said in Hebrews 1:8, that Jesus have a forever and ever throne?

Depends. He will have an eternal throne in the new heavens and new earth, but Scripture states Jesus' position at the right hand of God is temporary.

Hebrews 1
13Yet to which of the angels did God ever say:
“Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”?

The text does not say "will sit" but "sitting" at the right hand of power Runningman.

Mat 26:64 Jesus *said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."

 

[dwight92070]

It's obvious that anti-Deity of Christ, anti-Trinitarians, Calvinists, Dispensationalists, and Baptismal Regeneration advocates will argue ad infinitum. It really doesn't matter how much Scriptural evidence (that contradicts their beliefs) you give them, they have chosen to reject the truth and cling to the errors and false teachings of a different gospel.