Your Views on The Trinity

[mikesw]

Here's another verse for you to reject. Go ahead.

Matthew 16
27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

You and peterlag quote Titus 2:13-14 but then deny it. Go figure.
Their glory is identical.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[Runningman]

You and peterlag quote Titus 2:13-14 but then deny it. Go figure.
Their glory is identical.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

Do you know what an apostrophe does in Matthew 16:27? It refers to ownership. The Father's glory, not Jesus' glory, not a trinity's glory. You would think with all of the overwhelming amount of evidence against you that you would give it up already, but it seems some are just a glutton for losing debates.

 

[mikesw]

That's the same verse I quote. The Great God and our Savior Jesus are obviously two different distinct person's linguistically. Ever read 1 Thess 4:14? It says God brings Jesus back.

Did you ever read Titus 2:13-14? I think not since you misconstrue it and dismiss it.

You even get 1 Thes 4:14 wrong. That is not a surprise. It says God will bring those asleep back WITH Jesus. It does not say God will bring Jesus with those who are asleep. I can understand your errors in your novice interpretation efforts.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[mikesw]

Do you know what an apostrophe does in Matthew 16:27? It refers to ownership. The Father's glory, not Jesus' glory, not a trinity's glory. You would think with all of the overwhelming amount of evidence against you that you would give it up already, but it seems some are just a glutton for losing debates.

God's glory is not different from Jesus's. Duh. Also, Jesus does not generally indicate his divinity in these details shared. That is just something you have to recognize and not use to deny Jesus simply because you do not like his avoidance of his divinity in these situations.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[Capbook]

I did that already. Three times and once on page 3481 when I said...

The verse is saying it's the glory that will appear. Not God.

Whose glory that will appear Peterlag?

Tit 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

 

[Capbook]

The fact that others like David and Solomon have eternal thrones, and Melchizedek is a priest forever really doesn't help your point much.

We are discussing specifically of Psa 45:6 human king's forever and ever throne Runningman, why run to others?
Now, where is the "forever and ever throne" you interpret belongs to a human king be found in the New Testament?
Prove your point Runningman.

 

[Capbook]

Here's another verse for you to reject. Go ahead.

Matthew 16
27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

Runningman, Jesus also comes in His glory as He is in the nature of God, our blessed hope of eternal life. (1John 5:12,20)

Mat 25:31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

1Jn 5:12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have that life.

 

[Jim]

Saved happens when you get the gift of the spirit.
ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The word water is not in Acts 2:38 and the word saved or salvation is not in Acts 2:38. You are inserting your own views into that verse and condemning anyone else doing the same as you.

 

[Peterlag]

The word water is not in Acts 2:38 and the word saved or salvation is not in Acts 2:38. You are inserting your own views into that verse and condemning anyone else doing the same as you.

Saved is a word we use in English that is a real biblical concept. Water produces nothing other than to get you wet. We do not receive the things of God by bathing in grape juice or wetting ourselves in apple butter or orange juice.

 

[Peterlag]

Whose glory that will appear Peterlag?

Tit 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

Both God's glory and that of the resurrected Jesus Christ. Read the verse again. God and Christ Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

Did you ever read Titus 2:13-14? I think not since you misconstrue it and dismiss it.

You even get 1 Thes 4:14 wrong. That is not a surprise. It says God will bring those asleep back WITH Jesus. It does not say God will bring Jesus with those who are asleep. I can understand your errors in your novice interpretation efforts.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

Nope, I got it right because I read the context of whatever Paul wrote. Whenever Paul refers to God he is talking about the Father. Jesus our Savior isn't God in the below verse is he?

Titus 1
4To Titus, my true child in our common faith:
Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

 

[101G]

Both God's glory and that of the resurrected Jesus Christ. Read the verse again. God and Christ Jesus.

GINOLJC, to all,
is not the Lord Jesus God? and there is only ONE GLORY, right? supportive scripture, Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."


so, how can the Lord Jesus have the same glory as God unless he is God. case in point. Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

is this not the Lord Jesus sitting on the throne?

101G.

 

[101G]

Nope, I got it right because I read the context of whatever Paul wrote. Whenever Paul refers to God he is talking about the Father. Jesus our Savior isn't God in the below verse is he?

Titus 1
4To Titus, my true child in our common faith:
Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.

well then we have a conflict in the bible, for is it not the Lord Jesus who is God sitting on the throne in Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

101G.

 

[charismaticlady]

Saved happens when you get the gift of the spirit.
ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Who is the Holy Ghost? Is it God?

 

[charismaticlady]

John 17:1-3 is still there and isn't modified by John 17:5. You are using a non sequitur entirely unrelated to the point about who God is. So you don't have any arguments against God as the Bible provides you no ammo against the Father, who alone is the true God.

Who is the Holy Ghost? Is it God, or not?

 

[101G]

Who is the Holy Ghost? Is it God, or not?

Greeting C.
101G notice you have asked twice .... "Who is the Holy Ghost?", answer the Lord Jesus ... who is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

We are discussing specifically of Psa 45:6 human king's forever and ever throne Runningman, why run to others?
Now, where is the "forever and ever throne" you interpret belongs to a human king be found in the New Testament?
Prove your point Runningman.

Hebrews 1:8 is where it's at because Jesus is a human just like the guy in Psalm 45. That's my point.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, Jesus also comes in His glory as He is in the nature of God, our blessed hope of eternal life. (1John 5:12,20)

Mat 25:31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.

1Jn 5:12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have that life.

Refers to granted glory. God gives glory to others without making them God. See Daniel 2:37, Psalm 8:5, John 5:26,27.

 

[charismaticlady]

Greeting C.
101G notice you have asked twice .... "Who is the Holy Ghost?", answer the Lord Jesus ... who is the ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD.

101G.

I was asking those two men in particular what they believe is the Spirit of God. Is the HS, God? Is God, the Father without His Spirit? Runningman seems to be avoiding answering...

@Runningman and @Peterlag

 

[Peterlag]

Who is the Holy Ghost? Is it God?

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