Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

Can you not present your counter argument regarding Titus 2:13?
You just quote translations without presenting your interpretation.

I did that already. Three times and once on page 3481 when I said...

The verse is saying it's the glory that will appear. Not God.

 

[mikesw]

So, long story short, Jesus is never called the creator like how the Father God is. No, not once. Isn't it weird how there isn't anything you can say that is repeated in the Bible?

You have just been quoting verses with Jesus as creator and now you say those verses do not exist. You are doubleminded.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[Peterlag]

I see you do not have an argument against the divinity of Christ as God and Savior. All you want to do is contest that the glory somehow appears without Christ there.

Well, since you mentioned it, we can take it a step further. Yes, Jesus is the glory of God in that verse. But he is not God.

 

[mikesw]

I did that already. Three times and once on page 3481 when I said...

The verse is saying it's the glory that will appear. Not God.

Right. Tell capbook how God's glory just pop's up out of nowhere for no reason and apart from Christ. Is that supposed to be convincing?

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[mikesw]

Well, since you mentioned it, we can take it a step further. Yes, Jesus is the glory of God in that verse. But he is not God.

The verse says he is God and Savior. You forget basic reading skills.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[Runningman]

You have just been quoting verses with Jesus as creator and now you say those verses do not exist. You are doubleminded.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

No verses show Jesus to be the creator. Did you read Colossians 1:15-20? Both highlighted words refer to Jesus being a channel or instrument for Creation. Since Hebrews 1:1,2 debunks the theory Jesus was there at the beginning of Creation, then we know for a fact that Jesus isn't the Creator.

Colossians 1
16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

And you are beginning with the cart in front of the horse. John 17:3, hello, the Father alone is the true God. Check mate happened years ago, but here we are still. Revelation 3:14 says Jesus is created, John 1:1-14 shows Jesus to be created, etc. How is a created being who isn't God the Creator? Explain that.

 

[Runningman]

Right. Tell capbook how God's glory just pop's up out of nowhere for no reason and apart from Christ. Is that supposed to be convincing?

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of His hands.

 

[mikesw]

No verses show Jesus to be the creator. Did you read Colossians 1:15-20? Both highlighted words refer to Jesus being a channel or instrument for Creation. Since Hebrews 1:1,2 debunks the theory Jesus was there at the beginning of Creation, then we know for a fact that Jesus isn't the Creator.

Colossians 1
16For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

And you are beginning with the cart in front of the horse. John 17:3, hello, the Father alone is the true God. Check mate happened years ago, but here we are still. Revelation 3:14 says Jesus is created, John 1:1-14 shows Jesus to be created, etc. How is a created being who isn't God the Creator? Explain that.

Here you are sharing all things are created through him and then you deny him as deity in the Godhead. You are too doubleminded in your arguments. I guess it is hard to deny the divinity of Christ.

 

[mikesw]

Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of His hands.

Uh. You just skipped the passage in view. Do you have an argument to make?

 

[Peterlag]

The verse says he is God and Savior. You forget basic reading skills.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

Would 25 different Bible Translations written by real Bible scholars convince you that my reading skills are very good?

 

[Peterlag]

Right. Tell capbook how God's glory just pop's up out of nowhere for no reason and apart from Christ. Is that supposed to be convincing?

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

How about 25 different Bible translations?

 

[mikesw]

Would 25 different Bible Translations written by real Bible scholars convince you that my reading skills are very good?

you said nothing and conveyed nothing. Jesus still remains God and Savior and is seen appearing in his glory. Jesus is at the center of that eschatological event.

 

[Runningman]

Uh. You just skipped the passage in view. Do you have an argument to make?

God's glory exists independently of Jesus.

 

[Runningman]

you said nothing and conveyed nothing. Jesus still remains God and Savior and is seen appearing in his glory. Jesus is at the center of that eschatological event.

Not according to Scripture. I think you just don't really believe the Bible. You argue against everything it says and say everything it doesn't say.

 

[mikesw]

God's glory exists independently of Jesus.

You sort of are right. If Jesus came in the glory he had before the world was (John 17:5), people would be shown dying everywhere he had walked on earth. It is his subsequent eschatological event for his glory as God and Savior would appear. We can give you a half point for your remark.

 

[mikesw]

Not according to Scripture. I think you just don't really believe the Bible. You argue against everything it says and say everything it doesn't say.

You are saying Jesus is not coming his glory in his eschatological event? You are very inconsistent and uncelare

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[Runningman]

You sort of are right. If Jesus came in the glory he had before the world was (John 17:5), people would be shown dying everywhere he had walked on earth. It is his subsequent eschatological event for his glory as God and Savior would appear. We can give you a half point for your remark.

Jesus never came in his own glory. He came in the Father's glory which is not Jesus' glory. So not a great point.

 

[mikesw]

Jesus never came in his own glory. He came in the Father's glory which is not Jesus' glory. So not a great point.

You and peterlag quote Titus 2:13-14 but then deny it. Go figure.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

 

[Runningman]

You are saying Jesus is not coming his glory in his eschatological event? You are very inconsistent and uncelare

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

Here's another verse for you to reject. Go ahead.

Matthew 16
27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

 

[Runningman]

You and peterlag quote Titus 2:13-14 but then deny it. Go figure.

If you could find a good argument for your view and convince capable scholars and theologians, you might have a bit of basis to accept your new, novel, gnostic belief. No one on his own should be pushing his private doctrines on people when they are so contrary to sound teaching.

That's the same verse I quote. The Great God and our Savior Jesus are obviously two different distinct person's linguistically. Ever read 1 Thess 4:14? It says God brings Jesus back.