civic
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Just like you cannot find a verse where the Father says : I am God.
You are proving my point so thanks for letting me use your argument against you.
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You are proving my point so thanks for letting me use your argument against you.
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civic
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Yes He is called the Father something the Unitarians stumble over along with everything also stated about His deity in that passageHave you read Isaiah?
“For a Child will be born to us, a Son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”
(Isaiah 9:6 NAS20)
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We also know that reading is not the same as understanding and comprehension.
Micaiah
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Sure, men are calling his name those things (more so today), but that scripture doesn’t say HE WILL BE those things.
And the fact that Jesus is never called God in the entire volume of the scriptures is telling…
Micaiah
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And yet another online tactic manifests…
Accusing the ones who believe what’s plainly written in the Bible as stupid people.
You see, when you read a lot of extra biblical writings over many years you develop a superiority complex over the regular humble guy who only reads his plain old simple Bible and believes it in faith.
civic
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sure men are calling the Father YHWH, I Am but scripture doesn't say He will be those things.
see how that works ?
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Micaiah
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civic
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notice how you add stupid which I never said. maybe its you that depends on unbiblical writings by unitarians and have developed a superiority complex over the regular guys like us who take Gods word literally and don't explain it away like you do when it comes to who Christ is declared in scripture.
Alive2
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I get it, so why not read Isaiah 9:6 in that way and believe what it says?
civic
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Yes and Jesus is that One Lord, Only Lord who is identified as God and YHWH and I Am.
civic
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the million dollar question I have an answer to.
It's because a unitarian is incapable of reading the Bible without their bias and presupposition that Jesus is not God.
they will unfortunately die on that cross unless they come to the Light.
Micaiah
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I have never read any writings outside of the Bible for learning about God.
And I’m only familiar with the term “Unitarian” from reading these discussions.
But Unitarians must deny Jesus is God for you to throw their name tag out there.
Some groups do accept some truth while in error elsewhere.
That’s why everyone needs to get rid of their sectarian name tags and get back to the truth of the Holy Bible.
civic
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I agree we should get back to the truth of the Bible.
Alive2
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Where's Waldo?
One of the great blessing of bible study is finding Christ, there. He is all through scripture.
It might help to read Isaiah chapters 42-44 carefully. Read the words and take them just as they read.
I basically hold that anyone who hears the gospel may end up coming to Christ. I just envision it in percentages of how likely different denominations would see this happening. Even someone in a Mormon or JW group could come to Christ but that person would just be confused doctrinally and how to express their focus on Jesus.
Of course, among the denominations, there are preference and sometimes just what is convenient. God does accommodate people with different styles and needs.
Runningman
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The Father is YHWH and YHWH said He is God. Therefore the Father said He is God.
civic
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Runningman
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YHWH is never called the Son in the Bible, but He's called Father. Though there are many sons of God in the Bible, none of them are called YHWH either. The Son is never conflated with YHWH and, when they are placed side by side, they are obviously not the same person. Conclusion, the Son is not YHWH nor ever even claimed to be God one time in the Bible.
See Psalm 2:7 and Psalm 110:1 for further education on who God is and is not.
civic
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nope many times YHWH is identified by the Apostles to be the Son.
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Just a few of many I can provide
Jesus is the Lord in Joel, Isaiah and Jeremiah
Joel 2:27-32
27 "Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel,
And that I am the Lord your God,
And there is no other;
And My people will never be put to shame.
28 " It will come about after this
That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
29 "Even on the male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
30 "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth,
Blood, fire and columns of smoke.
31 "The sun will be turned into darkness
And the moon into blood
Before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.
Rom 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
Isa 45:21-24
Is it not I, the Lord?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22 " Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23 "I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
24 "They will say of Me, 'Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.'
Phil 2:9-11
For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Rom 14:10-12
For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. 11 For it is written,
" AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME,
AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD."
12 So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.
1 Cor 2:8-9
the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory
Jeremiah 17:10 the Lord says
"I the LORD search the heart, I test the mind. Even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings"
In Revelation 2:23 Jesus says
"I am He who searches the minds and hearts and I will give to each one of you according to your works"
So if Jesus is not God why would he claim to do something in Revelation that Yahweh claimed in Jeremiah?
So is it Yahweh or Jesus who searches hearts and minds?
The only name that can possibly be above all names is the name of YHWH. Even Non trinitarians are forced to agree with this one due to the fact that their own theology acknowledges that YHWH is greater in nature than Jesus. This means that Jesus shares the personal name and authority of YHWH, making Him God as no one can be equal to God except God alone.
hope this helps !!!
Runningman
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We still have the entire Old Testament where Jesus isn't the same person as YHWH. This proves that Jesus is not God since YHWH spoke of Himself as a singular being who is a singular God. Who are you to tell God He's wrong about who He is?
Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Isaiah 28
16Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Psalm 2
7I will proclaim the decree
spoken to Me by the LORD:
“You are My Son;
today I have become Your Father.
Psalm 110
1{A Psalm of David.} The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
civic
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