"Works Salvation"

[Doug Brents]

Thats the Church the Body of Christ.

That is your delusion. Prove it.

 

[brightfame52]

That is your delusion. Prove it.

I cant, God has to open your eyes to the Truth

 

[Doug Brents]

I cant, God has to open your eyes to the Truth

Ahh, so you know that what you are teaching is not Truth. Because if it was, you could explain it with Scripture. I have shown you the truth with and in Scripture, but you refuse to see it.

I have the Holy Spirit within me, and He makes connections within Scripture just as Jesus promised the Apostles that He would do for them. If you show me where Scripture demonstrates that "the whole World" is really referring to the Church, then I will be able to understand it.

 

[Jim]

You can say what you will. Salvation is 100% of Grace of God, now if you add any condition you must do, if its just blink your eye, you cancel out Grace and have a salvation by works which is cursed.

If there is one key message in the whole of scripture it is obedience. That is clearly the message of the Old Covenant and the Old Testament. God's premier message in the OT was "If .....then". The same is true in the NT also even to the point of stating the consequences of not obeying the gospel.

2Th_1:8 rendering vengeance to them that know not God, and to them that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power

1Pe_4:17 For the time is come for judgment to begin at the house of God: and if it begin first at us, what shall be the end of them that obey not the gospel of God?

An interesting thing about this is the obvious implication of what are the consequences of obeying the gospel; the gospel that is the power of God UNTO salvation to every one that believes.

There is never a single statement in the whole bible that says that you can be saved without doing anything. It says that you will never do enough to be saved, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't require something as a condition, no matter how ineffectual you think it might be, for Him to save.

 

[brightfame52]

Ahh, so you know that what you are teaching is not Truth.

Sure it is

 

[brightfame52]

If there is one key message in the whole of scripture it is obedience.

The obedience of Christ is what saved His Sheep, His Church Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

I hope thats the obedience you trust in for salvation and not your own !

 

[brightfame52]

An interesting thing about this is the obvious implication of what are the consequences of obeying the gospel; the gospel that is the power of God UNTO salvation to every one that believes.

Well obeying the Gospel is looking to Christ to have saved you by His obedience. Its obvious you haven't done that