"Works Salvation"
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Tothalordbeallglory
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as in adam , OH YES my friend that is the condition of all of humanity as they come into this world .
Yet many mess up the second part to i mply UNIVERSAL salvation .
So IN CHRIST shall ALL BE MADE ALIVE .
I think they forget the IN CHRIST part , and all unbeleivers ARE NOT IN HIM .
ONLY THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM are T RULY OF HIM AND IN HIM .
so watch out jim , they do twist things . As for me
Take a good long guess WHO and ONLY WHO i am going to point too
WITH the dire and absolutely dire REMINDER of the DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON HIM
or perish . IF YA SAID JESUS , YOU SPOT ON RIGHT .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Remember today .
For on the day of judgment the day of THE LORD
many shall wail in terror as they are told depart from ME
i never knew you .
WHO DID I POINT TOO
WHO did i make known that all MUST BLEIEVE IN TO BE SAVED or perish
JESUS THE CHRIST .
And whose words did i tell us NOT to omit but rather BELEIVE .
HIS WORDS .
and what book did i beg all for years to return too , THE BIBLE .
I am not the monster and hater of humanity and of GOD
that more and more daily b eleive me to be .
Always remember , I never once gave even the glimmer of false hope to anyone .
IT WAS JESUS i pointed too and that by grace
and did no other than what JESUS himself had said and later the apostels would
BELEIVE ON HIM or perish . But i know
that makes me seem now as monster to more and more
as they accuse me of not knowing GOD or HIS LOVE
and yet they preach a fat sin accepting UNBELIEVING path TO what they THINK IS GOD
and think is love and believe is loving .
Soon i will be outcast from all digital places and even society .
BUT i dont want you weeping for me . I HAVE JESUS so amen .
WEEP FOR THEM .
For on the day of judgment the day of THE LORD
many shall wail in terror as they are told depart from ME
i never knew you .
WHO DID I POINT TOO
WHO did i make known that all MUST BLEIEVE IN TO BE SAVED or perish
JESUS THE CHRIST .
And whose words did i tell us NOT to omit but rather BELEIVE .
HIS WORDS .
and what book did i beg all for years to return too , THE BIBLE .
I am not the monster and hater of humanity and of GOD
that more and more daily b eleive me to be .
Always remember , I never once gave even the glimmer of false hope to anyone .
IT WAS JESUS i pointed too and that by grace
and did no other than what JESUS himself had said and later the apostels would
BELEIVE ON HIM or perish . But i know
that makes me seem now as monster to more and more
as they accuse me of not knowing GOD or HIS LOVE
and yet they preach a fat sin accepting UNBELIEVING path TO what they THINK IS GOD
and think is love and believe is loving .
Soon i will be outcast from all digital places and even society .
BUT i dont want you weeping for me . I HAVE JESUS so amen .
WEEP FOR THEM .
Nah, you are messing up the second part. The second part is a negation of the first part. The cross of Christ negated what would have been had not Jesus sacrificed himself on the cross. As it is all come into the world as righteous beings and remain so until they sin. God does not punish one man for the sins of another. How could you even think that He would do such an unjust thing?
brightfame52
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The elect are in Him by Election Eph 1:4 even b4 they believe, and is why they shall believe. They have to be in spiritual union with Him in order to believe, to bear the fruit of faith Jn 15 4-5
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Tothalordbeallglory
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No man can call him LORD but by the Spirit
and by the SPIRIT would no man call him accursed .
It is the Spirit that testifies to our heart that JESUS is LORD .
so since we are on this topic ,
WHY on earth would any christain continue to listen to or even listen too
THAT FAT LIE that says all other religoins are coming to GOD differently
and that even though one does not Call JESUS LORD
and follows another religoin , SOMEHOW they too have the SPIRIT
and are serving the same GOD WE DO .
WHY o WHY are folks even daring to have unity with ecumeincalism and its interfaith .
CAUSE ALL I SEE IN THAT MESS is that which is of anti christ .
THE SPIRIT HAS US CALL JESUS LORD
and them other false religoins be calling HIM accursed . NOT LORD, NOT MESSIAH , NOT SON OF GOD .
Very easy it is to expose a ecumeinal whore and her false love .
Tothalordbeallglory
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I sound like i make BELEIVING in CHRIST a condition for salvation , you say , and that IF I DO
i too promote a works base salvation void of Grace .
THEN HOW COME JESUS said YE must BELEIVE IN ME
and why on earth did all the apostels say the same .
OH there is only one way to be saved .
SO allow me this parting , condition as to HOW to be saved and what one must do to be saved .
But sirs what must i do TO BE SAVED
BELIEVE on the LORD JESUS CHRIST . you really go nna tell me
that JESUS and later the apostels WHO SAID the same to others
WERE , how did you word it , PROMOTING a works base salvation VOID OF G RACE .
Someone has been decieved , and it aint me my friend .
That is the standard interpretation of the first parts of both verses 18 and 19 of Romans 5.
brightfame52
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I said the elect are in Christ by an election union b4 the foundation b4 they believe and a spiritual regeneration union b4 they believe, else they could not have believed being in the flesh
brightfame52
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Thats right, if you make anything you do as a condition you do to get saved, you have denied Salvation by Grace my friend. A condition is a requirement which is law orientated.
Tothalordbeallglory
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the correct interpretation is that d eath has come upon all .
And oh yeah , ALL have sinned .
So jim , let neither you or myself ever once think
if we had been in that garden we had prevailed . NO and SIR .
we had all failed. i can pr ove this .
HOW so
SHOW ME ANYONE who has ne ver disobeyed GOD and sinned . and me thinks you already
know such a person does not exist .
WELL , let me rather say , no mere man or woman exists .
BUT I DO KNOW of another WHO came in the likeness of our flesh .
THAT ONE never once sinned . HE came to save sinners . and i bet you know who i speak about my freind .
HE was before abraham was or even anything created seen or unseen was .
JESUS THE ONE AND ONLY
NAME whereby one may be saved . And now lets see how one can be saved .
ALLOW paul and silas to answer that from years ago
WHEN THEY TOO were asked by a jailor
But sirs what must i DO to be SAVED . and the quick and fast , sweet and short and simple answer was
BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and YE SHALL BE .
Tothalordbeallglory
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But sir what Must i DO to be saved . THANK GOODNESS neither pual nor silas responsed as you had .
Or that poor jailor had not heard the very gospel HE had needed to hear
FOR TO BE SAVED . and that DO include the words YE MUST BELIEVE .
so i leave you TO your own way of thinking .
AS for me
I IS GONNA POINT all TO FAITH IN JESUS . and if that makes me seem as a works legalists to you
THEn that my friend BE ON YOU .
Tothalordbeallglory
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you dont even know how to preach the truth .
SO here allow me to show you a reminder , WITHOUT having to negate the Believe on HIM YE MUST .
IF you had asked me
I had told you .
ONLY THE SPIRIT can reveal JESUS unto us . But you my dear friend
have no idea HOW to express that without attacking those who remind YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM to b e saved .
IF only ye had asked . but you folks are messing things up real real real badly .
AND how i fear it might very well cost you dearly at your end .
Yalls doctrine GETS IN THE WAY of the very preaching OF the very gospel
BY WHICH IF ONE DO BELIEVE HE WILL BE SAVED .
Try learning just the bible for yourself and not under the lens of men . but for you .
Bob Carabbio
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Simple -"Works salvation" is a term that gets thown around a lot on forums as this one.
1) What is "works salvation"? How does one define "works salvation" according to the Bible?
2) What is an example from the Bible of "works salvation"?
3) Was Noah's work in building the ark "to the saving of his house" (Heb 11:7) a "works salvation"?
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? | GotQuestions.org
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? Why do so many people believe that we can be saved by works?www.gotquestions.org
Is the above link correct in saying that "works salvation" is man trying to control his own eternal destiny? Is it true that man has no control, no role at all in his own eternal destiny? Did Noah have no control, no role at all in the saving of his house?
1) Ignorantly believing that you can EARN your salvation, and forgiveness/cleansing from SIN by performing what you think are "Good works" that will impress God with what you think is your "personal righteousness".
2) There isn't any. Anything to the contrary is nothing but "THEOLOGY", which is like noses - everybody's got one.
3) Nope - it was obedience through FAITH on God's Word. Bottom line Salvation is BY FAITH in the SIN OFFERING performed by Jesus on the cross. (Isa 53:10). Faith IS Heb 11:1. The only SOURCE of Faith is Rom 10:17. Biblical FAITH wil of its intrinsic nature result in actual GOOD WORKS which are the RESULT OF, and not the Cause of Salvathin / being Born Again of the Holy SPirit.
brightfame52
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But guess what ? Man is unable to meet any condition for salvation because b4 salvation[makes him alive] he is dead. Man has no life spiritually.
Pure Augustinian foolishness!!
brightfame52
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Only in the bible that you Calvinists rewrite. Not in the bible of God's word.
Rowan
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The fact that salvation is by the grace of God and not by man’s works is a conclusion justly and explicitly drawn from Scripture. The question, therefore, is: Does salvation by faith contradict salvation by grace? Does salvation by faith imply, in some subtle way, salvation by works. Scripture itself provides a clear answer: “By faith” is not “by works” but is “by grace.”
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