Eternally-Grateful
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I agree
The age of the earth is not the gospel
as long as an OEC and a YEC believes in the same gospel. they are both saved children of God
"Works Salvation"
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The age of the earth is not the gospel
as long as an OEC and a YEC believes in the same gospel. they are both saved children of God
Eternally-Grateful
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You will not convince a lost soul to come to christ by pushing young earth on them
bring them to Jesus. the age of the earth will work itself out.
Tothalordbeallglory
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OH you spot ON RIGHT about that friend . I dont push that . I PUSH ONE GOSPEL ,
ONE JESUS and you can bet it aint another jesus or other gospel This lamb even ALLOWS on my watch .
I KNOW how seductive the lie truly is and it has come in the name of love and cliameth to be of GOD .
IT has formed an image of GOD , which is NOT GOD
that has made void the one true gospel of BELIEVE
and it has done all to convince all that even the bible can be in error .
THE serpent has never stopped deceiving and boy can his co workers have some of the biggest and longest smiles
and say love ten thousand times a day . BUT they know NEITHER GOD OR HIS LOVE .
A TSUNAMI of a delusoin has come and its taking captive churches big time .
Tothalordbeallglory
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The hour draws late and time of the great delusion has come to gather all not in the lambs book of life
to merge under what all will believe is love and of God . but it is of anti christ , NOT GOD . beware its song
for it can sound so loving and so caring , BUT IT PREACHES DEATH unto all and has DENIED the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS
the CHRIST . it cometh of and has come of that which is of anti christ .It has come with an image
of God and of love that all humanity can agree upon to be as GOD as LOVE . But it has brought another image
of what it calleth GOD and claims is love . IT has made the path VERY broad as well as sin accepting . beware it
, take no heed unto its love song of what it cries is inclusive , FOR IT LIES and preaches REBELLION TO GOD unto the masses .
Tothalordbeallglory
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and this wee sheep is calling on volunteers to help me . THE HOUR IS LATE . VERY LATE
and the DELUSION IS STRONG , very STRONG and calleth itself love and loving and claims to be of GOD . IT OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF .
Tothalordbeallglory
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TO the trenches one and to the trenches all . Whether or not some are aware , we got us a false gospel and another version of jesus
and of god at work on this very lovely site . Thus the call to trenches has been made . Line the walls
and sound the trumpets for deadly delusion has come home to roost amongst even us . Beware it
for it cries love and will claim God is love and yet by means of a stangers tongue preaches twisted truths to promote its lie .
Neil Spargo
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Isa 50:11 Behold, all you [enemies of your own selves] who attempt to kindle your own fires [and work out your own plans of salvation], who surround and gird yourselves with momentary sparks, darts, and firebrands that you set aflame!—walk by the light of your self-made fire and of the sparks that you have kindled [for yourself, if you will]! But this shall you have from My hand: you shall lie down in grief and in torment.
The fact that salvation is by the grace of God and not by man’s works is a conclusion found in Scripture.
Once good works are introduced into the salvation process, salvation is no longer by faith alone; it is by faith and works. To imply that salvation is maintained by good works (or not sinning) is to take the daily burden of our salvation upon ourselves.
The fact that salvation is by the grace of God and not by man’s works is a conclusion found in Scripture.
Once good works are introduced into the salvation process, salvation is no longer by faith alone; it is by faith and works. To imply that salvation is maintained by good works (or not sinning) is to take the daily burden of our salvation upon ourselves.
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Look at the context..this verse doesn't stand alone
Seabass
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1 Pet 4:17
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
2 Thess 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Matt 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Lk 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The NT makes it clear that obedience to the Lord's will is what separates the lost (disobedient/unrighteous) from the saved (obedient/righteous).
Jer 11:3-4
And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,
Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:
Also under the OT it was obedience to God that separated those that were God's people and those not of God.
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Heb 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Christ is the Author of salvation NOT to those that do works of merit, NOT to those that have faith only, NOT to those who repeat a sinner's prayer, NOT to those who do good works but to those who "obey Him".
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
2 Thess 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 2:8
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 10:3
For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Matt 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Lk 6:46
And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The NT makes it clear that obedience to the Lord's will is what separates the lost (disobedient/unrighteous) from the saved (obedient/righteous).
Jer 11:3-4
And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,
Which I commanded your fathers in the day that I brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, from the iron furnace, saying, Obey my voice, and do them, according to all which I command you: so shall ye be my people, and I will be your God:
Also under the OT it was obedience to God that separated those that were God's people and those not of God.
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Heb 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Christ is the Author of salvation NOT to those that do works of merit, NOT to those that have faith only, NOT to those who repeat a sinner's prayer, NOT to those who do good works but to those who "obey Him".
Bronson
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There are simply too many verses that teach that one is not saved by works for any Christian to believe otherwise.
Titus 3:4–5 is one “But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.”
Good works do not contribute to salvation, but they will always be characteristic of one who has been born again. Good works are not the cause of salvation; they are the evidence of it.
Titus 3:4–5 is one “But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.”
Good works do not contribute to salvation, but they will always be characteristic of one who has been born again. Good works are not the cause of salvation; they are the evidence of it.
Doug Brents
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You're right, it doesn't stand alone. Verses 20, 22, 24, and 26 are all reiterations of the same idea: faith requires action or it is not real. Works of the Law cannot save, but works of faith are absolutely required or salvation is not received.
GodsGrace
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Yes.
I agree that James 2:24 does not stand alone.
It has a lot of help:
Matthew 5:16
In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.James 2:14-17
What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.Colossians 3:23-24
Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.Hebrews 13:16
Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.Galatians 6:9
And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.1 Timothy 6:17-19
As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.1 Corinthians 16:14
Let all that you do be done in love.Hebrews 6:10
For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do.Romans 2:6-10
He will render to each one according to his works:2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but they deny him by their works. They are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good work.2 Timothy 3:17
That the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.Hebrews 10:24
And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works,
There are many more 360....
if you need them.
Seabass
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All works are not alike........obedience to God is not a work of merit. Working GOD'S righteousness is different from man working his OWN righteousness Rom 10:4
Salvation is impossible from obedience to God:
Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Each person will be saved or lost..no other options. Those lost will be those who serve sin unto death. Those saved will be those who served obedience unto righteousness.
Salvation is impossible from obedience to God:
Rom 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Each person will be saved or lost..no other options. Those lost will be those who serve sin unto death. Those saved will be those who served obedience unto righteousness.
GodsGrace
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Hi Bronson...
I guess that Paul contradicted himself in the very same letter !
Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.Titus 3:8
The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people.
Grace ambassador
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Great, so 'which' do I obey?:
1) His Words/Commands To Israel (through 12), According To Prophecy/Law/Covenants:? or:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15 AV) From “Things That Differ!” (online):
2) His Wholesome Words/Commands To The Body Of Christ (through one), According To
The Revelation Of The Mystery / Grace!
or:
3) The homogenization of 1 + 2 with Total Confusion / Division / Strife about "words of obedience"???
I have decided to follow/obey Jesus?
Amen.
charismaticlady
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Yes, like Abraham believed God's promise - finally, after he already took matters into his own hands and tried to work out his own fulfillment of what God said and produced Ishmael - from the flesh.
Yeah.. so the faith James writes about is the kind that is used for the profit of others.
The context isn't how someone us converted..but what they are doing with faith they already have to profit others.
Bronson
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According to Galatians 1, those who teach the false gospel of grace-plus-works are “anathema”; that is, they are condemned by God.
The “gospel” of grace plus works is false. And that's not a guess.
GodsGrace
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Are you saying Abraham did not obey God?
Do you mean that because Abraham disobeyed God he was no longer considered righteous in God's sight?
Are you like some on this forum that believe we must obey God 100% or be lost?
Did Abraham not obey God from the very beginning and left his home ?
I'm not sure what you're saying.
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