What is "mere belief" and no "faith"? They are the same word in Greek? Belief in God is the same as faith in God.
"Works Salvation"
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Tothalordbeallglory
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verily verily i do write unto thee ,
many beleive in and thus have faith in another god and another jesus .
WHOSE WORDS WE BELEIVE actually DOES MATTER .
IS it the words inspired of GOD that we beleive or is it rather men that twist and omit such words
in fa vor of a god that is more suited to this day and this age and t his generation .
cause the latter god , IS Only satan . Just a friendly reminder for us all that indeed
it has been and truly is TIME we g et back into the bible for ourselves . I do hope that encouraged you my friend .
I don't think you understood my question. That is probably you don't understand that in scripture belief and faith are one and the same; there is no difference. Belief in God is faith in God.
The only place in the NT where the word belief appears is 2 Thess 2:13. And that only in some translations; other translations have the word faith. In the Greek the word is πίστει [from pistis].
mailmandan
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Eternally-Grateful most likely meant "mere belief" as in mere "mental assent" belief, like the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God" (James 2:19) but they do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and are not saved. (Acts 16:31) Same Greek word (pisteuo) but depending on the context, belief may fall short of faith, trust, reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In regard to demons, their trust and reliance are in Satan (and not Jesus) as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.
That could be. But unfortunately, there are too many who seem to have a really poor understanding of what faith is and what it means to have faith.
Tothalordbeallglory
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just remember its not me joining hands with this huge ecumenical love unity interfaith .
My faith be IN JESUS CHRIST , not that lie . So in the end
it will be seen who did t ruly beleive and who rather beleived in unbelief .
And it wont have been both my friend . Either we beleived the gospel or we beleived in unbelief .
That outta shut the lips of those anti christs saying all reli goins serve the same GOD .
Now to the trenches jim , the hour is late and the delusion has gr own great .
Yes, the hour it seems must be very late.
e v e
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its simple..."Works salvation" is a term that gets thown around a lot on forums as this one.
1) What is "works salvation"? How does one define "works salvation" according to the Bible?
2) What is an example from the Bible of "works salvation"?
3) Was Noah's work in building the ark "to the saving of his house" (Heb 11:7) a "works salvation"?
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? | GotQuestions.org
Why is salvation by works the predominantly held viewpoint? Why do so many people believe that we can be saved by works?www.gotquestions.org
Is the above link correct in saying that "works salvation" is man trying to control his own eternal destiny? Is it true that man has no control, no role at all in his own eternal destiny? Did Noah have no control, no role at all in the saving of his house?
satan asks us to do things, and so does God.
will one follow the world or stay in God?
Most just do what satan asks, after all
he is disguised as christian, even
as a Christian preacher in the
form of church fathers, vatican-rome,
protestant pastors in any sect be it whatever
all trained up to be very confused..
by satan's minion esaus running
bible theology as Guards.
There is no such thing as the term 'works salvation' in anything He said.
Or else, show where he said those words "works salvation" in an exact quote
saying Works Salvation. Because it does not exist.
But God does give souls jobs. He asks us to do things. And this is the only meaning of
burying one's talents...to ignore that job...which 99.99999 then and now do ignore.
Some souls, as remnant, have a job in getting out of here = meeting Christ on the clouds...
which God has asked of them. however,
No one cares or wants to know, nor is even aware of it...
so busy they are with earthly 'life'
so no point in mentioning any of that here.
But today, modern christianity is anti Christ. Against Christ...
has turned doing what God asked into pretzel jingles like 'works salvation'
and many other jingles He never said, since He does not talk that way...
and being spelled to the max, modern christianity does not care to get unspelled.
and ruled by esau who by the way trains all its pastors in
their 'theology' and bully those who depart from it
they fear stepping out of line and getting crushed by their
god, whoever that is. And what of a god who crushes
their little one trying to walk? Just an analogy.
There is no antichrist figure other than modern christianity
as esau devised it and developed it over centuries,
since before Christ was even born on this
earth.
does this mean evangelicals are hell bound? Or catholics?
or protestants any other soul of Him? No.
But also, well, depends on where you think we already are right now.
We ain't in Kansas.
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Tothalordbeallglory
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Jim there is only one way by which anyone can be set free from the powers of satan and of darkness .
Always remember that . FAITH IN JESUS .
For the devil knows this too and thus he is going about
convincing the world , the false religoins and even much of christendom
that they are already in fact serving the same GOD in different ways .
He will make this merger seem as a necessary cause for the good of humanity
that all religoins come together to find common ground and for world peace .
But he is a liar . He does not care if one is buddists , he does not care if they are muslim
Nor atheists , nor any other mindset . HE ALREADY HAS THEM
so long as they walk IN UNBELEIF of JESUS THE CHRIST .
HE is slick friend . That is how he is merging and even convincing christendom to merge
with the religoins to find common ground for peace .
HE is a liar . HE only desires the death and destruction of all of humanity.
He knows that JESUS is the only NAME whereby one may be saved .
SO he is g onna present a lie made to sound loving , kind and good and for
the good and peace of humanity . He will present another jesus
that will accept sins and even UNBELIEF . ONLY that AINT JESUS at all . We must be refreshed in prayer
and in daily reading of the scriptures for reminders .
Darrell L.
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Salvation is by the grace of God and not by man’s works is a conclusion justly and explicitly drawn from Scripture.
The question, therefore, is: Does salvation by faith contradict salvation by grace?
Does salvation by faith imply, in some subtle way, salvation by works. Scripture itself provides a clear answer: “By faith” is not “by works” but is “by grace.”
The question, therefore, is: Does salvation by faith contradict salvation by grace?
Does salvation by faith imply, in some subtle way, salvation by works. Scripture itself provides a clear answer: “By faith” is not “by works” but is “by grace.”
Doug Brents
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The problem that exists in the "grace only" doctrine is that it does not account for all of what Scripture says about salvation. Yes, God chose to offer salvation to mankind by His own choice and without input or "works" of man. But He does not force salvation upon anyone. He does not drop salvation on some and refuse it to others. He wants all to come to repentance.
So what does Scripture says is required to receive His grace? Several things that man must do are specified in Scripture, and as @mikesw said in the thread "Thomas... My Lord and my God", "you make the mistake of seeing one verse cancel out another. The task in scripture is dominantly making the most accommodating sense of such scriptures instead of using the one you like to deny the one you dislike". We must accept all of what Scripture says about salvation, and not use some verses to cancel out others.
In order to receive the gift of salvation from God, we must first hear the Word of God (the Gospel) preached (Rom 10:14). If we don't hear the Gospel, then we don't know what it is that we are to have faith in.
Upon hearing the Word, we have a choice. We can choose to believe in Jesus or deny Him. If we deny Him, we remain lost (for all are already lost).
But if we choose to believe in Jesus, then we must demonstrate that belief in obedience to God's commands. Just having a thought in your heart is not faith. Faith must produce action, or it is not really faith.
So what actions of faith does Scripture say are required to receive salvation?
Repentance (Acts 3:19)
Confession of Jesus as Lord, both verbal and public (Rom 10:9-10, Matt 10:32).
Baptism (Acts 2:38, Rom 6:1-7, Col 2:11-14, 1 Pet 3:21). There are more verses for each of these truths.
Salvation by faith (the requirement of the actions listed above) does not contradict salvation by grace in any way.
I whole heartedly agree. I would add the comment, that in most cases, it says that salvation is by grace and through faith. Grace is God's part; faith is our part. Both are necessary.
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