Selah
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Amen. Jesus was praying for all of His believers (the Elect chosen before the foundation of the world).
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"Works Salvation"
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Selah
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Romans 8:28-33 (NKJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? [It is] God who justifies.
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Romans 8:28-33 (NKJV) 28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to [His] purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. 31 What then shall we say to these things? If God [is] for us, who [can be] against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? [It is] God who justifies.
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charismaticlady
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When you see that the Father gave someone to Jesus it is only referring to the 12 disciples including Paul. "Father gave" are key words to know it is only regarding the apostles. John 6 has these words which a whole false doctrine has come out of. Here is an example that Jesus is only speaking of His apostles and not all those at that time who believed in Him. Read all of this and tell me who did Jesus lose and who Jesus did not lose.
John 6
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
charismaticlady
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"Even the demons believe and tremble." You must be born again OF THE SPIRIT.
Selah
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Doug Brents
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I pray that the Lord open your mind to the truth. Satan has hidden it from you, and clouded your thinking as he has done to so many who claim to be part of the Lord's Church.
DavidTree
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religion on the mind causes the heart to be blind
to the TRUTH that is for all His "Sons"
YES, they are Mine Says the Holy ONE
Selah
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Psalms 87:5-6 (NKJV) 5 And of Zion it will be said, “This [one] and that [one] were born in her; And the Most High Himself shall establish her.” 6 The LORD will record, When He registers the peoples: “This [one] was born there.” Selah
Eternally-Grateful
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I agree
but he will baptize people with it, if they do not come to Christ, and allow God to baptize them with the spirit.
Eternally-Grateful
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Thats when jesus will immerse (baptize) the lost into the lake of fire. the fire that shall never be quenched
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but
The chaff is the lost
No. that is caused by the baptism of the spirit.. Not fire..
Eternally-Grateful
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I do not see Holy Spirit fire here
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Eternally-Grateful
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He has
lol.
Keep believing this, remember, you think a work of a man immersing you in water saved you.. and not the cross itself.
Jesus said as moses lifted the serpent. so must he be risen, that whoever believes will never perish but live forever.
no water baptism required in Moses day when he lifted the serpent. or today when we look to the cross in faith
Selah
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No, just this present one in which God sent His only begotten Son to die on the cross for us. (GRACE)
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brightfame52
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@Red Baker
Correct, that means he was already Justified b4 God. You remember when God told Peter in so many words, he was cleansed Acs 10:15
15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common
That word cleansed katharizó:
cleanse, purge, purify.
From katharos; to cleanse (literally or figuratively) -- (make) clean(-se), purge, purify.
to free from the guilt of sin, to purify
Same word used in Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Cornelius was redeemed by Christ and purified unto good works, we know his works were accepted, and then he was lead to be baptized, a good work at that time
Correct, that means he was already Justified b4 God. You remember when God told Peter in so many words, he was cleansed Acs 10:15
15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common
That word cleansed katharizó:
cleanse, purge, purify.
From katharos; to cleanse (literally or figuratively) -- (make) clean(-se), purge, purify.
to free from the guilt of sin, to purify
Same word used in Titus 2:14
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Cornelius was redeemed by Christ and purified unto good works, we know his works were accepted, and then he was lead to be baptized, a good work at that time
Doug Brents
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Cornelius was a saved believer in God before Jesus' death. But the requirements for salvation changed from the OT to the NT, and so Cornelius needed to come to belief in Jesus under the NT. There may have been a grace period (my thought, not mentioned in Scripture at all) for those who lived during the first few years of transition from the OT to the NT. But either way, those who lived after Jesus' death and resurrection were required to come to belief in Jesus to be saved.
Again, you are using circumstantial evidence to contradict clear Biblical truth. We cannot be saved unless we believe in Jesus (Rom 10:9-14), and we cannot believe in Jesus unless we have heard the Gospel.
The point of Peter's statement is not that Cornelius is already saved, but that it doesn't matter who your parents are, or from which nation you hale, or in what city you live that determines if you are acceptable to God. What makes you acceptable to God is that you fear Him and obey Him.
@brightfame52
Brother, I could have said much more than I did, but kept it as short as possible and still get my point across. Thanks for adding to it.
Doug Brents
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If you believe this, then you haven't understood a thing I have written, just as you don't understand Scripture. But I am tired of trying to get you to treat as valuable the pearls of God.
And so you would have us believe that just because Moses lifted the serpent up, that the people bitten by serpents just had to believe that they would be healed and they were? No. They had to look at the serpent lifted up to be healed. They had to perform a physical act of getting to where they could see it, and looking at it to be healed by God (not by the bronze serpent).
Carry on denying the truth of God's Word. I wash my hands of you.
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