"Works Salvation"
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Please post the scriptures from Romans 6 and make your point from the actual words of the scriptures.
Tothalordbeallglory
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actually it dont . allow me a few words my friend .
The idea of WHOSE VERSION of faith only . THAT be the question .
Is it the hyper grace , pauline version of faith , WHICH I DARN SURE KNOW paul himself did not preach .
OR is it this kind of faith .
Now just listen to and bask in the beauty of this true faith i am about to explain .
WHO our faith is in is WHOM we believe and do serve .
The problem is many have their faith IN
, well in another jesus , in mens doctrines
in a jesus that hollers judge not
But hollers even louder TO JUDGE .
Does that sound like it might need some explaining .
GOOD .
Their jesus is fast to holler judge not those who enter in as brethren
And overlooks their sins and errors .
BUT it darn sure has convinced its followers TO JUDGE HARSHLY
those who come to correct those in sin and error .
OH believe me when i say IT IS BY FAITH we are saved .
But abraham had faith . SO lets look at his example.
WHEN GOD SPOKE did abraham try and find a way around What HE SAID
or DID HE BELEIVE GOD and thus DO what HE SAID .
YOU SEE , WHOM we beleive , whom we serve , OH MY ITS WHOSE WE ARE .
But many serve sin , many serve a jesus , a god
who has come in the name of what it calleth love
what it calleth grace
what it calleth faith
BUT FRIEND IT contradicts THE HOLY GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS .
Many can claim and DO CLAIM to believe in CHRIST JESUS to beleive GOD .
But friend what they beleive darn sure DONT believe HIS WORDS .
AND THEREIN is the PROOF . What does charity rejoice in and what does it not rejoice in ..............
TRUTH and NOT INQUITY . yet many sure seem to love this other god who under guise
of love and tolerance has fed them their own desires, what they love and loved above all ,
THEIR SIN . A LIE .
charismaticlady
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You are wrong. The promise of the NEW COVENANT IS to all mankind who follow Jesus, both Jew and Greek. But not until Jesus died, rose again, descended and 10 days later His Spirit fell on the 120 disciples of Jesus did this prophesy begin to be fulfilled. It has nothing to do with the Old Covenant, so think again.
brightfame52
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The Nation of Israel was under a conditional National Covenant. It doesnt apply to the New Covenant Mercies. National Israel was already Gods chosen people.
charismaticlady
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National Israel is God's chosen people and still is. There is no such thing as the "Replacement Theory" as I think you know. But NOT all Israel is saved. Only through their Messiah can they be saved, and Gentiles the same as those who believe in the Jewish Messiah are grafted into Israel and their New Covenant. Do you agree, or not?
DavidTree
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#1 - the "national covenant" cannot save them because of points #2 & #3
#2 - Contained within the "national covenant" is the Savior
#3 - the Jews rejected their own "national covenant" when they rejected their MESSIAH
brightfame52
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No National Israel is no longer the Covenant People of God, you are deceived on that, their covenant status as a people was taken and given to another Nation to bear fruit Matt 21 43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Besides, that National Covenant was conditioned upon their obedience to the Law. Now if you want to base your acceptance with God on your law obedience as Per Ezk 18 go right ahead, good luck with that in the Judgment, you bet not sin your entire life in word, thought or deed.
brightfame52
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So what's your point ? Are people saved by observing israels National Covenant stipulations ? Christ is all about the New Covenant, He is the Mediator and Surety of that better Covenant. Heb 8 6
But now hath he[Christ] obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 12 24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Now if anyone brings in conditions for salvation, they despise the Mediator of the New Covenant.
DavidTree
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The point is EXACTLY as you posted.
The national covenant does apply to the New Covenant Mercy in these aspects:
a.) Exodus 33:19
And the LORD said, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the LORD, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
b.) Matthew 12:7
But if you had known what this is,(OT) 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' then you would not have condemned the guiltless.
Tothalordbeallglory
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Yep even the very law and prophets point to CHRIST JESUS .
Point to Christ to the last breath my friend . a jew or a gentile
Who fails to beleive JESUS IS the GLORIOUS CHRIST
Calleth GOD all mighty a LIAR .
To DENY JESUS is TO DENY GOD . Absolutely my friend . The sheep point to ONLY ONE NAME
that all prophets , even abraham saw his day , and the law POINTS TOO , JESUS THE GLORIOUS RISEN SAVOIR CHRIST .
DavidTree
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this is Who we were called to = "to know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom He sent"
If you deny One you deny the Other
charismaticlady
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Which nation received it then? It is still Israel! Plus any Gentile that is grafted into it. Read Romans 11
This sheep fears God and loves Him.
Jesus Christ is LORD.
The Alpha and Omega. The Almighty.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8
Eternally-Grateful
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Tothalordbeallglory
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Baptized in Christ . Let all that has breath praise the glorious LORD .are you admitting you do not know scripture?
what baptism verses in romans could I possibly be talking about
Doug Brents
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Yes, he did, in Acts 10:48.
Tothalordbeallglory
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For it pleased GOD by the preaching to save those who Beleive .
Even all the good prayers and alms Cornelious did , STILL he had to hear the gospel and believe
TO be saved .
That is HOW GOD chose to save this world . HE sent the SON so that all who do Beleive Would not PERISH
but have everlasting life . To the LORD be all the glory with all praises and thanksgivings .
Tothalordbeallglory
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What a lovely reminder my friend .
The sheep do fear God and love Him . JESUS Christ is the LORD . I am the first and the last .
But if any calls GOD a liar
they have neither the fear or Love of GOD . And remain in death and will face the second death .
SO let us all keep that in mind , seeing none of us wants to be co helpers to a lie in any way .
He who believes NOT the Testimony that GOD gave of the SON , calls GOD a liar .
But interfaith interreligious tries to say otherwise as it cliams all the religoins of earth
are serving the same GOD in different ways . Talk about ANTI CHRIST . And i just
bet you , me , we dont wanna be any kind of help to or for that Mission which is of anti christ.
WE gonna point to JESUS THE CHRIST with a big reminder to BELEIVE ON HIM
or perish . Because all who do DENY HIM , they will surely be DENIED
Tothalordbeallglory
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OH indeed it is my friend . It is just that not all of israel IS OF ISRAEL .
The KINGDOM of GOD . The israel of GOD , the Jerusalem of GOD
wherein the temple is GOD and the lamb .
Wherein those who BELIEVE GOD , HIS TESTIMONY that HE gave of the SON
are of this KINGDOM that is ABOVE and by the SPIRIT is within the true sheep .
It consists ONLY of the believing jew and believing gentile .
Pretty simple indeed my friend . But many still cling to the earthen
which STILL IS in bondage . But JERSUALEM which is above IS FREE , MOTHER TO ALL those who beleive IN CHRIST JESUS .
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