"Works Salvation"

As a side note, the prayer of John 17 1-19 is for the apostles. They are the only ones the Father has "given" the Son.
Please read the entire chapter 17

“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

The FATHER has not stopped giving disciples to His Son the LORD Jesus Christ
 
@DavidTree I see you were surprised that the apostles were the only ones the Father had given the Son. That goes for John 6 also that has been misinterpreted to include everyone, even though many disciples left when Jesus spoke of eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
 
Please read the entire chapter 17

“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

24“Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am, that they may behold My glory which You have given Me; for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25O righteous Father! The world has not known You, but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me. 26And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”

The FATHER has not stopped giving disciples to His Son the LORD Jesus Christ
Yes, but no where in the prayer about us are we predestined as the apostles were. This error has created false doctrines. Context is everything!
 
@DavidTree I see you were surprised that the apostles were the only ones the Father had given the Son. That goes for John 6 also that has been misinterpreted to include everyone, even though many disciples left when Jesus spoke of eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
You do not believe the words of Christ?

“I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;"
 
@Tothalordbeallglory
For it pleased GOD by the preaching to save those who Beleive .
Even all the good prayers and alms Cornelious did , STILL he had to hear the gospel and believe
TO be saved .
That is HOW GOD chose to save this world . HE sent the SON so that all who do Beleive Would not PERISH
but have everlasting life . To the LORD be all the glory with all praises and thanksgivings .
A few errors in this one statement, not to be overly critical, but surely one would want to be as scriptural as possibel so that they would not be gulity of spreading false teachings.

1) You said: For it pleased GOD by the preaching to save those who Believe~ and I quote the scriptures youa re using:

1st Corinthians 1:21​

“For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.”

Listen carefully to what teh SPirit of Gdo is saying: "to save them that believe.” the twin scripture of 1st Corinthians 1:21 is here:

Romans 1:16​

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
Yes, God has chosen the foolishnes of preaching to save BELIEVERS! The gospel is the power of God "ONLY" to those that believe, to all others that perish, it is pure foolishness. So, it what sense is the gospel the power of God to those that believe? It saves them from false preachers, their own deceitful hearts, etc., etc.

The word save/saved/salvaiton is used in different senses in the scriptures and our job is to see in what sense are they being used~most only think of being saved form hell fire, whehn in fact it is very seldom ever use din that sense, very seldom.

2) You said: "Even all the good prayers and alms Cornelious did , STILL he had to hear the gospel and believe TO be saved." Not from sin and condemnation, that he was already saved from that and can be easily proven with Acts 10 and comapring others scriptures. He needed to be saved with a fuller understanding of the truth, which is essential to our growth in grace and knowledge of the truth as it is in Jesus Christ. That is exactly what both Romans 1:16; and 1st Corithians 1:21 are teaching.

Please take time and consider this short mesasage, it may truly be a blessing to you and trust that it will.
 
As a side note, the prayer of John 17 1-19 is for the apostles. They are the only ones the Father has "given" the Son.
Its not limited to them, they're representative of all who shall ever believe, Jesus made that clear Jn 17:20

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

So you made a false unlearned statement. In Fact He is praying for His Body the Church
 
National Israel is God's chosen people and still is. There is no such thing as the "Replacement Theory" as I think you know.
Find a thread already set up and I will come there and discuss this with you~As much as we owe the nation of Israel, we owed it to the children of God's promise among them, past, present, and future, yet there are no promises for them AS A NATION, outside of this dispensation of grace, or the times of Jesus Christ; once he returns then the world will come to its end, and then the resurrection of all that have ever lived, shall come forth to be judge, with each receiving their just dues according to the word of God.

Just in case you cannot find one~I will said this once and not again in this thread:

C.I. Scofield: “It is important to see that the nation has never possessed the whole land.”

Scripture: “So Joshua took the whole land” (Joshua 11:23). “And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein” (Joshua 21:43-45).

The Palestinian Covenant gives the conditions under which Israel entered the land of promise. It is important to see that the nation has never as yet taken the land under the unconditional Abrahamic covenant, nor has it ever possessed the whole land.

With these bold words Mr. Scofield tries to lay the foundation for his Millennial scheme of a future national restoration of physical Jews to Palestine. He reasons as follows:

God never gave the whole land to Israel, so there must be a time in the future when He will give them the whole land.

God never gave the land to Israel under his so-called unconditional Abrahamic covenant, so there must be a time in the future when He will give it to them unconditionally.

Since the present age is the “parenthesis” of the Church, this future restoration must occur after the Rapture – even during a 1000-year reign of Christ in Jerusalem.

THUS SAITH THE LORD

God promised the land to Abraham personally (Genesis 13:15, 17; 17:8).

God promised the land to Abraham’s seed (Genesis 12:7; 13:15; 15:18-21; 17:8; 26:1-5; 28:13-14).

Abraham never received even one foot of ground in Canaan as a gift from God (Acts 7:5); he even had to buy a burial place for Sarah (Genesis 23:1-20). He was a stranger in Canaan, and he lived the life of a nomad in tents (Hebrews 11:9).

Abraham knew God intended heaven by the promise of the land (Hebrews 11:13). He saw the promise of heaven afar off; he was persuaded of it; he embraced this superior fulfillment; and he acknowledged that he was a stranger and pilgrim in Canaan. He set his affection on things above rather than on things on the earth (Colossians 3:1-4); He saw the day of Jesus Christ and desired it (John 8:56).

Abraham didn’t want the physical land of Canaan (Hebrews 11:10, 14-16). He wanted heaven. Who would want a piece of inferior ground just to grow old and die? God promised him glory, the world to come and eternal life. (Hebrews 2:5) He looked for a city with everlasting foundations ~ built by God, not some temporal city of Canaan. He desired a far better country than Canaan: he desired a heavenly country and the heavenly Jerusalem – even Mount Zion, where his Friend God dwelt (Hebrews 12:22-23).

God intended the promises to Abraham spiritually. Abraham understood them spiritually; he believed them spiritually; and he preferred the infinite superiority of heaven to the earthly country of Canaan. He walked by faith (II Corinthians 4:17 – 5:8). Did God keep His promise to Abraham by giving him heaven instead of Canaan? If I promise you $10 but give you $1,000,000 instead, did I keep my promise? Of course! God fulfilled His promise infinitely better with the world to come!

The promises made to Abraham and his Seed are truly fulfilled in Jesus Christ, for He is the true Seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:16). This fact is extremely important and conclusive in any promises to Abraham. And the true heirs of the promises are those in Jesus Christ by faith – the children of Abraham by God’s definition (Galatians 3:7, 28-29). God’s promises are not fulfilled in the fleshly descendants of Abraham, who were never the children of God (Romans 9:6-8; Revelation 3:9).

Nevertheless, national Israel did indeed receive the whole land just as promised. Not a single aspect or dimensional compromise was made. They received everything ever promised (Joshua 11:23; 21:43-45; 23:14-15; I Kings 8:34, 56; Nehemiah 9:7-8, 22-25; Exodus 23:27-31; Numbers 34:1-15; Deut 11:22-25; Psalm 44:1-3; 105:43-45; 135:10-12; Acts 7:45; Joshua 2:24; jos 3:9-11; 22:4; 24:13; II Chronicles 6:25; Jeremiah 32:21-23).

The true Jew is a regenerated person of any race (Rom 2:28-29; John 1:47). Christ united Jews and Gentiles into one body and kingdom by His blood (Eph 2:11-22; I Peter 2:4-10). The tabernacle of David is being rebuilt with Gentiles, mostl in the last days, with some Jews here and there, not many. (Acts 15:13-18). No longer is there any difference between Jews and Gentiles (Gal 3:28; Col 3:11). Now saved Gentiles are as Isaac, the promised sons of heaven; and unbelieving fleshly Jews are as Ishmael, the rejected sons of petition. (Gal 4:21-31). If that's too hard for you to accept, then you have a problem with the scriptures.

Mr. Scofield’s scheme of a future restoration of fleshly, national Israel to world preeminence is a Jewish fable and lie that Paul condemned (Titus 1:14). God took the kingdom from the Jews and gave it to the Gentiles (Matt 21:33-46) The reformed kingdom is here permanently for believing Jews and Gentiles (Heb 12:18-29), with Jesus Christ on His throne (Acts 2:33-36; Eph 1:20-23; Rev 2:27; 7, 21; 12:5).

You need to seriously reconsider replacing your man made doctrine with the truth of the word of God, enough said. I was taught this lie when I first came to Christ back in the early seventies and but very soon saw through it for what it was worth.
 
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@charismaticlady
I know what you mean. When I was first baptized with His Spirit I felt a dark heaviness leave my body. It was the sin from my nature. I am now clean, John 15:3.
Sin does not leave our flesh, it is presence in all that we do ~ mortify sin, we must, but it is there presence ~ you very confused. Btw, there is not one scripture written to the churches of Jesus Christ telling them to seek the baptism of the Spirit, wondered why? Help me out. Cornelius was baptized by the Spirit and did not even seek it!
 
Ya might want to seriously reconsider parts of this my near and my dear friend .
What on earth makes us even think This world has seven years left .
Because God said we have at least 1007 years left.
The cocka doodle doo might not even be heard from the rooster .
So according to your doctrine we have at LEAST seven years , maybe me seeing you made that other cliam .
But what i say to one i say to all
WATCH and be ready for YE KNOW NOT the HOUR your LORD do come .
Amen, we don;t know the hour he will return to gather up his people.
And while most folks have been real busy looking for some kind of hollywood style
anti christ
THEY SURE ARE NO SEEING what IS and has been GOING ON all around them .
The hour is late and the delusion is already great and shall get worse .
Anti christs have been at work my friend
and they pumping out the lie of anti christ and selling it as a means to attain PEACE N SAFETY .
YEAH , I would for sure say we are much further along in the times .
problem is, prophets spoke of things which have not occurred yet. With things that have occurred.. in great detail.

so those things must take place
 
many will not like this next answer because it will prove that many have not been baptised into Christ .
Putting off the sins of the body . Thar we may now live UNTO righteouness .
ITS MEANS THEY GONNA HAVE TO stop following this other sin accepting jesus
that has cliamed they live , AND YET THEY ARE DEAD IN SIN . many have not been born again
and love they sin still .
this would just show they have not yet been saved.

John said whoever sins (habit) has never seen or known God.

but it is not us who stop sin. It is God who makes us a new creature poison to sin. and chastens us when we do sin. who can withstand the chastening of God?
 
Cornelius obeyed the Gospel = Acts chapter 10
Yes, he did, In Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. *Also see 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed  the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation.
 
I just did. 2 snipets from romans 6.

And feel free. show me where baptism in water is mentioned there.

Not playing your game my friend..
There is no legitimate reason to interpret baptism mentioned in Romans 6 as anything other than baptism in water. The metaphorical burying and raising with Christ is the description of the physical act of immersing and emerging from water baptism.
 
There is no legitimate reason to interpret baptism mentioned in Romans 6 as anything other than baptism in water. The metaphorical burying and raising with Christ is the description of the physical act of immersing and emerging from water baptism.
lol

It literally says I have been baptized into christ.

It is irresponsible and unreasonable to interpret the word baptize as to be immersed in water.

It was I was immersed or placed into christ (this is the literal interpretation. baptize is not even a native English word. and should never have been used
 
Yes, he did, In Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. *Also see 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed  the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation.
Cornelius was forgiven by God way b4 he ever heard the Gospel from Peter. He was already a Just/justified man and one that feared God, and had his prayers accepted by God b4 Peter ever preached that sermon to him Acts 10:1-4,22

There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,

2 ;A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.

3 He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.

4 And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.

22
And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.

Being a just man his sins were forgiven
 
Yes, he did, In Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.

Romans 1:16 - For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. *Also see 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed  the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”

We obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation.
How can you claim to believe the gospel of God if you don't do what God says?
 
lol

It literally says I have been baptized into christ.

It is irresponsible and unreasonable to interpret the word baptize as to be immersed in water.

It was I was immersed or placed into christ (this is the literal interpretation. baptize is not even a native English word. and should never have been used
There is only one immersion in the NT Church (Eph 4:5-6). And that one baptism is something man must do (Matt 28:19), and must be in water (1 Pet 3:21).
 
There is only one immersion in the NT Church (Eph 4:5-6). And that one baptism is something man must do (Matt 28:19), and must be in water (1 Pet 3:21).
that is a ceremony

it is not the only thing we are placed into.

Romans 6 says literally. 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were PLACED INTO into Christ Jesus were PLACED INTO into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through THIS IMMERSION into death,

again, the word baptize is not a native english word.
 
lol

It literally says I have been baptized into christ.

It is irresponsible and unreasonable to interpret the word baptize as to be immersed in water.

It was I was immersed or placed into christ (this is the literal interpretation. baptize is not even a native English word. and should never have been used
LOL

The word "baptize" is a transliteration of the Greek word βαπτίζω [baptizō]. It literally means to immerse in water. There is the sense of the literal act of immersion in water metaphorically mirroring the death, burial and raising of Jesus Christ on the cross.
 
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