With the New Covenant, How many Natures Do We Have?
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Peterlag
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The spirit of Christ is the same as the holy spirit which is the new nature.
e v e
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The Holy Spirit is the Feminine Spirit of God... God's Feminine Spirit.
Who came at Pentecost...
Who is the Pillar of Fire,
and Ruach...
e v e
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All the females are made in the Image of His Spirit
and all the males are made in HIS Image...
that is the image of God
we lost..
which is the original nature of Eden
He will restore us to.
The 144k will be restored in our original body
made by God, and restored to our Eden nature,
and these 144k sons and daughters
after the sons rebuild Eden with Christ,
will return with Christ
as the two witnesses
..being the two sticks
and the two olive trees...
this body is NOT the temple of Him..
for He did not make this body...
and all the males are made in HIS Image...
that is the image of God
we lost..
which is the original nature of Eden
He will restore us to.
The 144k will be restored in our original body
made by God, and restored to our Eden nature,
and these 144k sons and daughters
after the sons rebuild Eden with Christ,
will return with Christ
as the two witnesses
..being the two sticks
and the two olive trees...
this body is NOT the temple of Him..
for He did not make this body...
e v e
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But I would not phrase as Spirit of Christ that way..
I would simply say God's Spirit , His Holy Spirit..
charismaticlady
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Yes, brother! What I've come to understand is that the Church teaches repentance is us" turning away from sin." I found that just doesn't work. It is when you come to realize you love your sin, and that is the reason you can't overcome it yourself. We need to turn to Jesus and ask Him to take away the desire to commit that sin because we can't. Oh, the "turning away" may last a couple days, but sooner or later you are going to fail keeping away from it when it is so attached to our nature. That is why when Jesus takes away our sin it is from the source of that sin - our nature. Our old nature is so strong that is why the Church believes we will always sin because we will always have that sin nature. WRONG!!! Jesus is the AUTHOR AND FINISHER of our faith. He has to do it. We have no power in ourselves to turn away from sin for good. But when Jesus takes away that desire, He kills it dead.
Then Jesus fills us with His own desires through His Spirit. Immediately I hated what Jesus hated, and loved what Jesus loved. I had the mind of Christ, 1 Cor. 2:16.
charismaticlady
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Here is why Spirit of Christ is correct.
Romans 8:9 "9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
e v e
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its not a big deal as long as understanding
His Holy spirit is feminine
but, the overall point there looks
like a corruption in the text.
charismaticlady
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Eve, that is the problem with those in denominations and beliefs out of the Reformation. They thought with only their human nature, and could not discern the spiritual and supernatural that Jesus does in His own. Our new nature is internal and has NOTHING to do with our body, but because seeing as they were still sinning due to not having received the Holy Spirit they believed sin comes from our body. No! Our body is like a dead floppy puppet. It does not contain sin, but because of Adam's sin will die and be replaced just like our new nature replaced the old man. It is our nature, either a sin nature or a divine nature that controls the puppet. Our new nature consists of a new mind/spirit and conscience/soul. Where God is there is no darkness at all.
1 John 3: 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin.
charismaticlady
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The first teachers out of the Reformation like Calvin, Jesus said to them: "You have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." Don't be fooled. Those beliefs are doctrines of demons that will only lead to death.
Bob Carabbio
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Nope - we're born with a HUMAN NATURE that Adam was created witn , and Jesus had also. Adam's nature NEVER CHANGED. His Spiritual status did, however.
Obviously not, since Christians SIN like anybody else, but probably less so, as they mature in the Faith, and the process of sanctification does its work. fortunately we have an advocate - 1 John 1:9
you already know the answer, unless you've deceived your self to actually believe that you don't SIN any more.
Nope just ONE HUMAN NATURE. we are, however indwelled by the Holy Spirit who works IN US to conform us to the image of Jesus (Rom 8:28,29).
e v e
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I don't belong to any sect/denomination.
e v e
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Not denying something sweet happens in a soul when she turns to Christ. Moses had this and many others in the OT and NT. But since every one of us remains imprisoned in this foreign flesh until leaving it, until then there is no 'saved' concept.
And now at end times the expectancy is Christ returns for His 144k who meet Him upon the clouds and there will be no death.
True it has nothing to do with this idol, and sin, which is our current flesh body.
It does have to do with the original body given us by God in the other reality where eden paradise is, before the fall, which will be the resurrection body. In that original body we will be restored to Him and our original is His temple and all of His will be restored to eden paradise, our land.
Sins are a bit much to blame a complete prisoner for since this very earth is a underworld dungeon and we are prisoners and until rapture no one will have escaped.
true.
it IS sin nature. It is part of the fallen reality, death, and an actual cosmological effect of the fall.
the body is part of the old man. our new nature will be our restored eden situation including our original body made by God.
even the fallen angels have a supernatural nature.
the 'divine' nature controlling this body we have now is the realm of which it was formed, which is the evil realm and adam, who did not die.
our soul was made by God and did not intrinsically change... but we were tortured out of our original body (Daniel's oven) and came to incarnate in this one not made by God. Sorry the too short explanation on that.
true but the evil realm has 'light' it stole... currently until it is judged on His Day, so it can and does masquerade, for now, as having a god's light.
In Him would be exactly what we are not ... except a tiny bit by our wee soul.... since we left paradise. If IN Him we would be in His cosmology not this one, and wexeould be walking in eden paradise with Him. This current one is not His creation.
Thank you for writing .
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e v e
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Since before Christ, began the corruption of His Words, when Ptolemy II, a pagan, had scribes 'write' their own sayings mixed in with what God said, resulting in the sorcery septuagint. And that sorcery text, plus the sorcery KJV who esau magician john dee helped produce, are the two texts scholars (pharisees) 'translate from', producing their derivative bible versions from these two corrupt texts... which most everyone follows = the sealed vision. So forgive me but I don't assume Jesus said that.
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charismaticlady
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Oh my, a Calvinist Pentecostal. This is the reason I don't belong to any denomination. Lack of knowledge of the Bible., especially the power of Jesus. Adam was created with a human nature, but when he willfully sinned, all after him sinned and him himself sinned, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Bob, look at Galatians 5:19-21 and with just a number how many of these do you commit? I don't commit any in answer to your question.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Bob Carabbio
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Chuckle!! Another "Lone Ranger". Personally I belong to an Assembly of God church (Crossroads of Life AG in Duncanville, TX). the overall AG "package" is acceptable to me, and the church (except for the gosh-awful contemporary music) is good and has excellent teaching.
Actually it was EVE who accepted that God was a liar, and sinned FIRST. Adam, who should have known better, Chose satan over God also. Adam's NATURE never changes, but his SPIRITUAL CONDITION did. And, of course Adam turned over his God given dominion to satan which is why satan is "the prince of the power of the air" in Adam's place.
Over the years, several, of course. I never killed anybody, though, and I've been monogamout for the last 59 years. I've probably been in multiple heresies over the years - (used to be a Baptist).
In that case, I've got some nice ocean front property in Nebraska you might be interested in -
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e v e
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A human man in eden paradise in the other reality
was not in this animal body we are
was in God's nature
this is a prison
sins here or lack of do not indicate
'saved ' in the way you think
who cares!? this is a prison
and the prisoner
violated the satanic warden's
precise 9 pm order to get in
bed plus did not brush his teeth
plus had some bootleg whiskey.
plus snickered at one of the guards.
and that doesn't mean you
are less in sin:
this body itself is sin nature.
self righteousness is the fallen mindset.
charismaticlady
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In other words you are a sinner and proud of it! You also believe you are in the majority of "Christians."
As for Eve, did they see that she was naked after she ate. No. Why? She committed her sin in ignorance and it was an unintentional sin. Adam on the other hand, committed his sin knowingly and willfully, and bam, they were naked. His sin was against God. Adam is the reason that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
I am not alone in my doctrine, but thought so for years. Then a missionary friend told mine told me that she doesn't understand my doctrines, but she gets pamphlets in the mail from a pastor that God told to only teach what He taught him personally, (same as me; I prayed to God to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man and reteach me Himself as the Author and Finisher of my faith. And He did and started immediately. It blew my mind), and she doesn't understand what he teaches either, but we teach exactly the same doctrine. God Himself is our teacher. So if you want to take the high road, I hope you make it to the destination you desire, but the small group I'm in will take the narrow road, for few there are who find the destination that leads to life.
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