With the New Covenant, How many Natures Do We Have?

[e v e]

In other words you are a sinner and proud of it! You also believe you are in the majority of "Christians."

As for Eve, did they see that she was naked after she ate. No. Why? She committed her sin in ignorance and it was an unintentional sin. Adam on the other hand, committed his sin knowingly and willfully, and bam, they were naked. His sin was against God. Adam is the reason that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

I am not alone in my doctrine, but thought so for years. Then a missionary friend told mine told me that she doesn't understand my doctrines, but she gets pamphlets in the mail from a pastor that God told to only teach what He taught him personally, (same as me; I prayed to God to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man and reteach me Himself as the Author and Finisher of my faith. And He did and started immediately. It blew my mind), and she doesn't understand what he teaches either, but we teach exactly the same doctrine. God Himself is our teacher. So if you want to take the high road, I hope you make it to the destination you desire, but the small group I'm in will take the narrow road, for few there are who find the destination that leads to life.

why judge others ?
when you yourself are in the sin body, no better than those
you view as sinners, and can have trials
and fail Him, even self righteousness is a sin, no?
its truly harsh...

 

[e v e]

In other words you are a sinner and proud of it! You also believe you are in the majority of "Christians."

As for Eve, did they see that she was naked after she ate. No. Why? She committed her sin in ignorance and it was an unintentional sin. Adam on the other hand, committed his sin knowingly and willfully, and bam, they were naked. His sin was against God. Adam is the reason that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

I am not alone in my doctrine, but thought so for years. Then a missionary friend told mine told me that she doesn't understand my doctrines, but she gets pamphlets in the mail from a pastor that God told to only teach what He taught him personally, (same as me; I prayed to God to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man and reteach me Himself as the Author and Finisher of my faith. And He did and started immediately. It blew my mind), and she doesn't understand what he teaches either, but we teach exactly the same doctrine. God Himself is our teacher. So if you want to take the high road, I hope you make it to the destination you desire, but the small group I'm in will take the narrow road, for few there are who find the destination that leads to life.

also, naked does not mean naked of clothes and this flesh body being naked..
He brought me to that moment and I saw it all...
and was there, outside of time...and no...
naked from what I saw is not how you describe...

 

[Bob Carabbio]

In other words you are a sinner and proud of it!

Ah - another "Sinless Judge". Be still my heart.

I am not alone in my doctrine,

OF course not, plenty of religious folks want to judge everybody else!!

 

[charismaticlady]

Ah - another "Sinless Judge". Be still my heart.

OF course not, plenty of religious folks want to judge everybody else!!

I would think that if you were actually born again of the Spirit that you could easily agree that Jesus has taken away any and all desire to commit any of the sins of the flesh in Galatians 5:19-21. What about the Ten Commandments? Can you keep those in the Spirit, not the flesh? I say that because keeping the Sabbath is no longer one day a week, but is having a very personal relationship of abiding in Jesus and He in you - total and ongoing rest in Jesus.

Those are sins of the flesh and are unto death. If you can honestly say you have no desire to commit any of those, then you are "sinless." That is not sinless perfection, a phrase people like John MacArthur and even those in Calvary Chapel like to adhere to people who have experienced the life changing baptism of the Holy Spirit even though it is said of Jesus that He was manifest to TAKE AWAY our sin, and in Him there is no sin. 1 Jn 3:5. Do you believe that? Those are about mortal sins unto death.

Discounting the context of 1 John 3, I've heard ignorant doctrines that Jesus does not take away any desire to sin out of our nature until we die and receive our new body. Do you hold to that doctrine? The funniest one is a re-write of 1 John 3:9 saying "Whoever has been born of God does not PRACTICE sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot PRACTICE sin, because he has been born of God." They add "practice" to say, "I don't practice murder, but I may slip up once in a while and leave bodies lying around."

 

[charismaticlady]

I would think that if you were actually born again of the Spirit that you could easily agree that Jesus has taken away any and all desire to commit any of the sins of the flesh in Galatians 5:19-21. What about the Ten Commandments? Can you keep those in the Spirit, not the flesh? I say that because keeping the Sabbath is no longer one day a week, but is having a very personal relationship of abiding in Jesus and He in you - total and ongoing rest in Jesus.

Those are sins of the flesh and are unto death. If you can honestly say you have no desire to commit any of those, then you are "sinless." That is not sinless perfection, a phrase people like John MacArthur and even those in Calvary Chapel like to adhere to people who have experienced the life changing baptism of the Holy Spirit even though it is said of Jesus that He was manifest to TAKE AWAY our sin, and in Him there is no sin. 1 Jn 3:5. Do you believe that? Those are about mortal sins unto death.

Discounting the context of 1 John 3, I've heard ignorant doctrines that Jesus does not take away any desire to sin out of our nature until we die and receive our new body. Do you hold to that doctrine? The funniest one is a re-write of 1 John 3:9 saying "Whoever has been born of God does not PRACTICE sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot PRACTICE sin, because he has been born of God." They add "practice" to say, "I don't practice murder, but I may slip up once in a while and leave bodies lying around."

Its not self-righteous. I did nothing to suddenly have no desire to commit sins of the flesh. It was ALL Jesus, but there are people that are clueless to His power. Frankly, they slap Jesus in the face. I will never be like them. And because of that, He keeps giving me gifts. Fantastic!

What about you Eve? Can you say you don't have any desire to commit even one of the sins of the flesh of Galatians 5:19-21?

 

[e v e]

Its not self-righteous. I did nothing to suddenly have no desire to commit sins of the flesh. It was ALL Jesus, but there are people that are clueless to His power. Frankly, they slap Jesus in the face. I will never be like them. And because of that, He keeps giving me gifts. Fantastic!

What about you Eve? Can you say you don't have any desire to commit even one of the sins of the flesh of Galatians 5:19-21?

my lack of desire to sin has nothing
to do with the situation of being in this body
as are all of us
since after the fall
which is the type of fallen nature
not made by God

your ape body is sin nature

 

[charismaticlady]

my lack of desire to sin has nothing
to do with the situation of being in this body
as are all of us
since after the fall
which is the type of fallen nature
not made by God

your ape body is sin nature

You do have some strange beliefs, and I wouldn't know where to start...

 

[e v e]

You do have some strange beliefs, and I wouldn't know where to start...

From my point of view, it's not me with the strange beliefs. Absolutely no one can refute that this body
is an animal body of the type mammal, with mostly ape genes. It was Not made by God in eden to be our body. This flesh resulted from the fall.