Why there can be no gap between the 69th and 70th week

[TomL]

@SteveB Just in case you missed the anointing of Jesus.

Thank you

 

[SteveB]

The Holy Spirit falling on him is the anointing

Except anointing the Most Holy isn't Jesus.
It's an object.

but you are denying the text and the words of Christ

Nope.
Since however you continue to demonstrate that you only want to win an argument, you go right ahead and ignore your own culpability.

We must, of course, look to the words themselves to guide us to the information we are seeking; and those words are all we need.

yet you refuse. You blame me for doing exactly what you have been doing since my arrival here.

We are accustomed to regard the term “the Messiah” as merely a name or a title, but in fact it is a descriptive Hebrew word meaning “the anointed (one)”.

Yep.

In Greek the word Christos has the same meaning.

yep

Therefore, we have, only to ask, when was Jesus of Nazareth presented to Israel as the Anointed One?

Nisan 10. When he rode into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey, in fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9
Literally every male in Israel is required by law to be in attendance for the Passover. Most bring their family.
In fact there are 3 feasts where all males are required to attend.

As to this we are not left in any doubt whatever,

i agree! 10 Nisan, when Jesus rode into the city on the back of a donkey.

for it was an event of the greatest importance in the life of Jesus our Lord, as well as in the dealings of God with Israel, and in the history of the world, an event which is made prominent in all the four Gospels It was at His baptism in Jordan that our Lord was “anointed” for His ministry; for then it was that the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily shape its a dove. The apostle Peter bears witness that “God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power” (Acts 10:38).This is clear and explicit to the point that, when the years of Israel’s history had unrolled to that marvelous day on which Father, Son and Holy Spirit were simultaneously manifested to the senses of men, it brought them “unto the Messiah.” There is no day in all history like that. The event is marked in a way to distinguish it most conspicuously. The Lord’s own testimony in regard to the matter is even more definite and impressive. For, after His return to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, He came to Nazareth where He had been brought up, and going into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, He read from the prophet Isaiah these striking words: “The Spirit, of the Lord is upon Me, because He hath ANOINTED Me to preach the gospel to the poor”; — and after He had closed, the book He said, “This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears” (Luke4:16–21). Thus the Lord declared Himself to be, at that time, the “Anointed” One, that is, “the Messiah”.

You are in serious denial

Now THAT'S hilarious!

The testimony of God the Father is to the same effect. For the Voice from heaven bore witness to Him, saying, “This is My Son, the Beloved.” This declares Him to be the One of Whom David prophesied in the Second Psalm (verse 7). But that same Psalm sets Him forth as God’s “anointed” (verse 2).

But we have a special witness in John the Baptist, who was a man sent from God to bear witness of Christ,and to make Him manifest, to Israel; for John himself declared this to be his mission, saying, “that He should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water” (John 1:6–7, 31). When, therefore, the Lord Jesus had been “anointed” with the Holy Ghost and had been “made manifest to Israel” by the testimony of John the Baptist, then, the words of the prophecy “unto the Anointed One” were completely fulfilled.From that great and wonderful event down to the day of His death, He was constantly before the people in His Messianic character, fulfilling His Messianic mission, going about, doing good, healing all that were oppressed of the devil, preaching the glad tidings of the Kingdom of God, manifesting the Father’s Name, speaking the words His Father gave Him to speak, and doing the works the Father gave Him to do. Indeed, even before He announced Himself in the synagogue of Nazareth as God’s “Anointed One,” He had plainly said to the woman of Samaria (after she had spoken of “Messiah, who is called Christ”), “I that speak unto thee am He”(John 4:25–26).

Moreover, to the Samaritans who came out to see Him on the woman’s report, He so fully revealed Himself that they were constrained to confess Him, saying, “We have heard Him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ (the Anointed One), the Saviour of the world” (verse 42).

Furthermore, the nature, as well as the effect of John the Baptist’s public testimony to the Lord Jesus, is clearly revealed by the words of those who, on hearing his testimony, followed Jesus. It is recorded that “One of the two who heard John speak and followed Him (Jesus) was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. He first findeth his own brother and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ”(John 1:40–41).In these scriptures the Holy Spirit has caused the important fact that Jesus was the Anointed One to be stated in both Hebrew and Greek, so that the significance of it should not be missed. That “this Jesus is the Christ” is the great point of apostolic testimony (Acts 17:3); and it is the substance of “our faith”; for “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God” (1 John 5:1, 4–5). It is likewise the rock foundation on which He is building His church (Matthew 16:18; 1 Corinthians 3:11).We have cited the foregoing scriptures to make it clear beyond all doubt that, from the Lord’s baptism and His manifestation to Israel, He was in the fullest sense “the Messiah” or the “Anointed”, of God. To this fact,the inspired records bear, as we have seen, the clearest testimony

You do not have a leg to stand on

You know... I'm looking at my legs, and I can stand quite well.

And that disproves Cyrus gave the decree how

Isaiah 44:24–45:13 (KJV 1900) — 24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, And he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; That stretcheth forth the heavens alone; That spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; 25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, And maketh diviners mad; That turneth wise men backward, And maketh their knowledge foolish; 26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, And performeth the counsel of his messengers; That saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; And to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, And I will raise up the decayed places thereof: 27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, And I will dry up thy rivers: 28 That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, And shall perform all my pleasure: Even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; And to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid. 1 Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, Whose right hand I have holden, To subdue nations before him; And I will loose the loins of kings, To open before him the two leaved gates; And the gates shall not be shut; 2 I will go before thee, And make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, And cut in sunder the bars of iron: 3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, And hidden riches of secret places, That thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. 5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, There is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, That there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. 8 Drop down, ye heavens, from above, And let the skies pour down righteousness: Let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, And let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it. 9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? Or thy work, He hath no hands? 10 Woe unto him that saith unto his father, What begettest thou? Or to the woman, What hast thou brought forth? 11 Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, And concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12 I have made the earth, And created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, And all their host have I commanded. 13 I have raised him up in righteousness, And I will direct all his ways: He shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, Not for price nor reward, Saith the LORD of hosts.

really the scriptural evidence is heavily against your view

So says the guy who reads only what confirms your bias.

 

[SteveB]

@SteveB Just in case you missed the anointing of Jesus.

No, but I understand his desperation for it to be the case

 

[TomL]

Except anointing the Most Holy isn't Jesus.
It's an object.

Try sticking to the issue. You denied Jesus was anointed

You were wrong

Luke 4:16–21 (NASB 2020) — 16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17 And the scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to Him. And He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO BRING GOOD NEWS TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.” 20 And He rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all the people in the synagogue were intently directed at Him. 21 Now He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

As for what you state there is no word for place in the original Hebrew

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Nope.
Since however you continue to demonstrate that you only want to win an argument, you go right ahead and ignore your own culpability.

You are projecting

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yet you refuse. You blame me for doing exactly what you have been doing since my arrival here.

This is false. That is what i have been doing while you were appealing to man's calendar and calculations.

and you still fail to do

Yep.


yep

Nisan 10. When he rode into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey, in fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9
Literally every male in Israel is required by law to be in attendance for the Passover. Most bring their family.
In fact there are 3 feasts where all males are required to attend.

There was no anointing there. and the crowds already recognized him

you remain loyal to the calculations of man while disregarding scripture

You got the decree which started the clock wrong for the same reason

 

[SteveB]

Try sticking to the issue. You denied Jesus was anointed

You were wrong

Luke 4:16–21 (NASB 2020) — 16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17 And the scroll of Isaiah the prophet was handed to Him. And He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO BRING GOOD NEWS TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED, 19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD.” 20 And He rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all the people in the synagogue were intently directed at Him. 21 Now He began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.”

As for what you state there is no word for place in the original Hebrew

up

vision

and

4

prophecy

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and

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anoint

the Most Holy

Place

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36 חָז֣וֹן

37 וְ

38 נָבִ֔יא

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40 לִ

41 מְשֹׁ֖חַ

42 קֹ֥דֶשׁ43 קָֽדָשִֽׁים

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חָזוֹן

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נָבִיא

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1 לְ

1 משׁח

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New American Standard Bible (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 2020), Da 9:24.






You are projecting

i

This is false. That is what i have been doing while you were appealing to man's calendar and calculations.

and you still fail to do



There was no anointing there. and the crowds already recognized him

you remain loyal to the calculations of man while disregarding scripture

You got the decree which started the clock wrong for the same reason

Further demonstrating that you believe you're 100% reliable and have as accurate an awareness as YHVH himself.

1Th 5:21-22 WEB 21 Test all things, and hold firmly that which is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

You really should learn about this.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

70 sevens are given to

Daniel 9:24 (NASB 2020) — 24 “Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the wrongdoing, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

69 weeks takes us only to messiah (the anointed one)

Daniel 9:25 (NASB 2020) — 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until Messiah the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with streets and moat, even in times of distress.

There has been no passion of the Christ, No crucifixion, no death, no resurrection, no atonement. These things are not in the 69 week

There is yet one more week when according to the gap theory the prince of the people who will come shall make a covenant for that week (presumably for a rebuilt temple) and in the middle of the week put a stop to sacrifice there

so none of the 70 weeks are allotted to make an end of sin, to make atonement for guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, by the sacrifice of Christ

Christs atonement is skipped over and all that was to transpire in the 70 weeks does not come to pass. No true end to sin has been accomplished, no permanent atonement for guilt, and no everlasting righteousness

In other words, no plan of salvation brought about by the sacrifice of Christ

Inserting a gap denies what has been accomplished by Christ through his sacrifice

Eschatalogical "Word games" signifying nothing.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That's the most intelligent thing I've read so far.
You should talk to Tom, because I keep giving him opportunity to walk away, but he's refused... at least 20 times.

I never said YOU did.
i said the gap theory sounds like someone is trying to pick a fight, and has waaaay too much time on their hands.

uh.... o.....k.....

Actually, I'm learning to

Pro 3:5-8 KJV 5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.

I like a healthy navel, and bone marrow

You made the argument and no.... I'm not accepting your narrative.

Toml can handle himself. Being arrogant enough to endless claim victory in every word looks rather bad upon you. That is why I generally avoid you.

So go ahead. Claim victory again and bash away. Enjoy yourself.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Eschatalogical "Word games" signifying nothing.

So all the Scriptures didn't prophesy unto John?

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Are these "word games"?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Except anointing the Most Holy isn't Jesus.
It's an object.

Try sticking to the issue. You denied Jesus was anointed

You were wrong

Yeah. I read that too. Seems as if he isn't concerned about what he says about God.

 

[TomL]

Yeah. I read that too. Seems as if he isn't concerned about what he says about God.

The word place is not in the Hebrew

So it could be a reference to Jesus

or it could be something else

In any case there is no warrant to deny what is stated in verse 24

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So all the Scriptures didn't prophesy unto John?

Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Are these "word games"?

They are when eschatological theology is attached to them.

All we REALLY KNOW (and that by faith) is that when it's TIME - Jesus will be back. Everything else is just "Theology".

 

[TomL]

Eschatalogical "Word games" signifying nothing.

Sure Bob no big deal ignoring Christ's sacrifice

it's a trivial matter right ? SARC

 

[TomL]

Further demonstrating that you believe you're 100% reliable and have as accurate an awareness as YHVH himself.

1Th 5:21-22 WEB 21 Test all things, and hold firmly that which is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

You really should learn about this.

Nope not my word but his word which you have been rejecting for the calculations of man.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sure Bob no big deal ignoring Christ's sacrifice

it's a trivial matter right ? SARC

Which I didn't do. Care to spin any more fantasies????

 

[SteveB]

You made the argument and no....

Yeah, this is a serious problem.
I'm not here to make arguments.
My entire tact being here is Malachi 3:16.

Mal 3:16 WEB Then those who feared Yahweh spoke one with another; and Yahweh listened and heard, and a book of memory was written before him for those who feared Yahweh and who honored his name.

As such, you should learn about this.

I'm not accepting your narrative.

good for you.
now you're the one arguing.

Toml can handle himself.

apparently not. Otherwise he would have taken the repeated opportunities to take the clearly stated hints.

Being arrogant enough to endless claim victory in every word looks rather bad upon you.

wow. So.... according to you, i should just believe whatever you and others who have fallacious ideas tell me, without any question?
only one problem with this.
Paul, indeed, Jesus too warned us to be on guard, and don't let ourselves be deceived.

That is why I generally avoid you.

Praise God!
you have some seriously whacked ideas, so i really appreciate your avoiding me. It makes my time here much more enjoyable. It gives me the opportunity to focus on my goals--

Mal 3:16-18 WEB 16 Then those who feared Yahweh spoke one with another; and Yahweh listened and heard, and a book of memory was written before him for those who feared Yahweh and who honored his name. 17 They shall be mine,” says Yahweh of Armies, “my own possession in the day that I make. I will spare them, as a man spares his own son who serves him. 18 Then you shall return and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him who serves God and him who doesn’t serve him.

So go ahead.

I am.

Claim victory again

pity you are failing to recognize the importance of obedience to the written Word of God.

and bash away.

I'm not the one bashing. But since you are unacquainted with the written Word, allow me to assist you in learning a couple genuinely valid biblical points for followers of Jesus.
1- Acts 17:11
This is extremely important.
Act 17:11 WEB Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
Luke thought highly enough of the Berean people that he referred to them as people of nobility.

2- Then, Solomon said-

Pro 4:23 KJV Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

3- Jesus then warned us

Mat 24:4 KJV And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
4- Paul further stated
Eph 4:14-16 WEB 14 that we may no longer be children, tossed back and forth and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error; 15 but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him who is the head, Christ, 16 from whom all the body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working in measure of each individual part, makes the body increase to the building up of itself in love.
So, yeah.... the deceitfulness being spewed here is something that we're warned about in the Bible.
That you are having a problem with my questioning and being on guard about it doesn't bode well.

I will however state the following...
Thank you for letting us see your fraudulence and deceitfulness. It's actually quite helpful.
The Holy Spirit is reminding me of the passages used here, as Jesus said he would in John 14:26, and 16:13-15.

5- And are you aware of what YHVH told Ezekiel, in chapter 3, regarding the obstinacy of Israel. It's really quite interesting.

YHVH said he'd make Ezekiel more obstinate than Israel, because they refused to turn to him from their unrighteousness.

Eze 3:4-11 WEB 4 He said to me, “Son of man, go to the house of Israel, and speak my words to them. 5 For you are not sent to a people of a strange speech and of a hard language, but to the house of Israel— 6 not to many peoples of a strange speech and of a hard language, whose words you can’t understand. Surely, if I sent you to them, they would listen to you. 7 But the house of Israel will not listen to you, for they will not listen to me; for all the house of Israel are obstinate and hard-hearted. 8 Behold, I have made your face hard against their faces, and your forehead hard against their foreheads. 9 I have made your forehead as a diamond, harder than flint. Don’t be afraid of them, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they are a rebellious house.” 10 Moreover he said to me, “Son of man, receive in your heart and hear with your ears all my words that I speak to you. 11 Go to them of the captivity, to the children of your people, and speak to them, and tell them, ‘This is what the Lord Yahweh says,’ whether they will hear, or whether they will refuse.”

6- in Isaiah, we further see where Messiah is given the same level of obstinance against the unbelievers.

Isa 50:4-8 WEB 4 The Lord Yahweh has given me the tongue of those who are taught, that I may know how to sustain with words him who is weary. He awakens morning by morning, he awakens my ear to hear as those who are taught. 5 The Lord Yahweh has opened my ear. I was not rebellious. I have not turned back. 6 I gave my back to those who beat me, and my cheeks to those who plucked off the hair. I didn’t hide my face from shame and spitting. 7 For the Lord Yahweh will help me. Therefore I have not been confounded. Therefore I have set my face like a flint, and I know that I won’t be disappointed. 8 He who justifies me is near. Who will bring charges against me? Let us stand up together. Who is my adversary? Let him come near to me.

7- I like what Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5.
This is something that should matter to you. That you criticize me for being obedient to the written Word I find saddening.

1Th 5:21-22 WEB 21 Test all things, and hold firmly that which is good. 22 Abstain from every form of evil.

As a follower of Jesus, I'd think you'd be ecstatic that I take YHVH's Word so seriously. Yet here you are vilifying me for it, accusing me of fraud and deceitfulness because I don't blindly accept your word.

Enjoy yourself.

I am.
YHVH says the following

Psa 147:11 WEB Yahweh takes pleasure in those who fear him, in those who hope in his loving kindness.

Psa 111:10 WEB The fear of Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom. All those who do his work have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!

Psa 25:14 WEB The friendship of Yahweh is with those who fear him. He will show them his covenant.

Psa 16:11 WEB You will show me the path of life. In your presence is fullness of joy. In your right hand there are pleasures forever more.

Phi 4:6-9 WEB 6 In nothing be anxious, but in everything, by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God. 7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus. 8 Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report: if there is any virtue and if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. 9 Do the things which you learned, received, heard, and saw in me, and the God of peace will be with you.

I'd think you'd be ecstatic to be able to enjoy such blessings and benefits.

 

[SteveB]

Nope not my word but his word which you have been rejecting for the calculations of man.

YHVH's Word isn't the problem here.
Your arrangement and positioning of His Word is.

 

[TomL]

YHVH's Word isn't the problem here.
Your arrangement and positioning of His Word is.

Nope

YHVH stated Cyrus was his man

His word states Jesus was anointed at his baptism

 

[TomL]

Which I didn't do. Care to spin any more fantasies????

Yeah actually you did

"Eschatalogical "Word games" signifying nothing."

 

[SteveB]

Nope

YHVH stated Cyrus was his man

His word states Jesus was anointed at his baptism

Why are you so desperate for me and others to walk in lock step with you?
Your entire collection of monologs have made it quite clear that I want nothing to do with your version of events.
So why are you so desperate to force me to accept what are plainly ridiculous to me?

 

[charismaticlady]

No, but I understand his desperation for it to be the case

Why do you have a problem with Jesus?