Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

[civic]

I believe that the God and Father of the Lord's Christ is a Spirit and is Holy. And that the Jesus "of the Bible" is the "Son of God", advocating between me and His Father even to this day.

And I learned these things from the Holy Scriptures, Inspired by this same God and Father of the Lord's Christ, AKA, I'm "learned of the Father".

I understand how precious your adopted religion is to you, but I advocate that you "deny yourself" pick up your life's experiences and follow the Jesus "of the Bible" before it's too late for you.

Maybe it might be to late for you , just sayin maybe you are projecting .

Are Trinitarians saved ? Yes or no

 

[Studyman]

Maybe it might be to late for you , just sayin maybe you are projecting .

Are Trinitarians saved ? Yes or no

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Of course, you must deflect from the answer to your question that I gave. This is your perpetual tactic to justify yourself and the religion you have adopted. clearly the mission you are on.

Nevertheless, I will give an answer to you. I don't think a doctrine like "Trinity" will matter much in the judgment for men who full well reject the commandments and judgments of God so that they can live by their own righteousness, "while calling Jesus Lord, Lord".

Hope this helps.

 

[101G]

Maybe it might be to late for you , just sayin maybe you are projecting .

Are Trinitarians saved ? Yes or no

you asked "Are Trinitarians saved ? Yes or no" answer, NO, and here's why. scripture, 1 Timothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers," 1 Timothy 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

is the trinity sound doctrine? no, listen to what the scriptures say, "but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,", "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;"

anything that is not of SOUND DOCTRINE. Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"

now did GOD teach you this trinity doctrine or Man?

101G.

 

[101G]

@civic
let 101G add one other thing to this believing in Sound Doctrine. God will not Hold one responsible for what they don't KNOW. only for what they do KNOW. hence the reason for preaching the gospel to all. now you KNOW. if one reject the TRUTH/Sound Doctrine, one will face the LAW. meaning his wrath.,

101G just wanted to clear up that matter.

101G

 

[civic]

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Of course, you must deflect from the answer to your question that I gave. This is your perpetual tactic to justify yourself and the religion you have adopted. clearly the mission you are on.

Nevertheless, I will give an answer to you. I don't think a doctrine like "Trinity" will matter much in the judgment for men who full well reject the commandments and judgments of God so that they can live by their own righteousness, "while calling Jesus Lord, Lord".

Hope this helps.

So I’ll take that as a no

 

[civic]

Matt. 7: 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Of course, you must deflect from the answer to your question that I gave. This is your perpetual tactic to justify yourself and the religion you have adopted. clearly the mission you are on.

Nevertheless, I will give an answer to you. I don't think a doctrine like "Trinity" will matter much in the judgment for men who full well reject the commandments and judgments of God so that they can live by their own righteousness, "while calling Jesus Lord, Lord".

Hope this helps.

oh the irony since Jesus is not your Lord and you deny He is Lord. The Lord you God is One Lord. And we know Jesus is that One Lord.

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[Studyman]

So I’ll take that as a no

Of course you will Civic. You had your answer even before you asked as you always do. And once again, you must deflect from the answer actually given and the Scriptures used as support. This is because your mission here, is to promote "your religion" and many Scriptures are simply an obstacle to that mission, that must be removed and ignored.

Thankfully, and by the Grace of God, I have escaped the snare that has you firmly in its grip. And as a result, I am free to believe, examine and discuss "EVERY" Word of God. I invite you to "come out of her" and turn to God. There is a cost, and you will be broken as I and others have endured, but it's worth it, in my view.

 

[civic]

Of course you will Civic. You had your answer even before you asked as you always do. And once again, you must deflect from the answer actually given and the Scriptures used as support. This is because your mission here, is to promote "your religion" and many Scriptures are simply an obstacle to that mission, that must be removed and ignored.

Thankfully, and by the Grace of God, I have escaped the snare that has you firmly in its grip. And as a result, I am free to believe, examine and discuss "EVERY" Word of God. I invite you to "come out of her" and turn to God. There is a cost, and you will be broken as I and others have endured, but it's worth it, in my view.

nope my mission here is to GLORIFY CHRIST who is LORD over all.

next

 

[101G]

nope my mission here is to GLORIFY CHRIST who is LORD over all.

next

LORD is Correct, but in glorified flesh and bone, no blood, "Lord"

101G.

 

[Studyman]

oh the irony since Jesus is not your Lord and you deny He is Lord. The Lord you God is One Lord. And we know Jesus is that One Lord.

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Your Jesus, with his long hair and handsome profile, is not my Lord. But the "Son of God", the Jesus "of the Bible", is my Lord sitting on the Right Hand of God, His Father and my Father, advocating between me and the One True God that gave me to Him, that the Jesus "of the Bible" says to know "is eternal life".

I would post the Scriptures, but you don't believe them.

 

[civic]

Your Jesus, with his long hair and handsome profile, is not my Lord. But the "Son of God", the Jesus "of the Bible", is my Lord sitting on the Right Hand of God, His Father and my Father, advocating between me and the One True God that gave me to Him, that the Jesus "of the Bible" says to know "is eternal life".

I would post the Scriptures, but you don't believe them.

Yep you deny scripture which declares He is the One Lord, the Only Lord of the Bible.

good to know.

Deut 6
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lordis one.[a] 5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.

10 When the Lord your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you—a land with large, flourishing cities you did not build,11 houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant—then when you eat and are satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the Lord, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

13 Fear the Lord your God, serve him only and take your oaths in his name. 14 Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you; 15 for the Lord your God, who is among you, is a jealous God and his anger will burn against you, and he will destroy you from the face of the land. 16 Do not put the Lord your God to the test as you did at Massah. 17 Be sure to keep the commands of the Lord your God and the stipulations and decrees he has given you. 18 Do what is right and good in the Lord’s sight, so that it may go well with you and you may go in and take over the good land the Lord promised on oath to your ancestors, 19 thrusting out all your enemies before you, as the Lord said.

The many gods/lords contrasted with the 1 God and 1 Lord

1 Cor 8:5-6
There may be so-called gods both in heaven and on earth, and some people actually worship many gods and many lords. 6But for us,

There is one God, the Father,
by whom all things were created,
and for whom we live.
And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things were created,
and through whom we live.

So we see the many lords/gods are false while the One God/Lord created all things, is before all things and is who we live through and by who we live through.

Only someone with presuppositions would read the text any other way to deny Christ of His glory that is equal with the Father.

see John 17:5 and Phil 2- He shares the equal glory, honor, praise, worship with the Father are creator of all things as per Heb 1:8-10 cf Rev 4-5.

In the NT, we frequently find the phrase, "God the Father". We never find this phrase, the OT, only in the New, after the incarnation of the Christ.

So if only the Father is God, then why did the Biblical authors need to DISTINGUISH the phrase, "God" with "the Father", instead of simply saying "God" as they did in the OT?
Why wasn't "God" sufficient?
Why the need for "God the Father"?

I will suggest an answer, it was to distinguish the Father from the Son, since the Son is also (the same) God.


Secondly, Paul created a convention of calling the Father "God" (without denying His Lordship), and calling Jesus "Lord" (without denying His deity). What many people don't realize (or at least appreciate is that the Jews CONSTANTLY referred to God as "Lord" in the OT. Taking the commandment to not take the Lord's name in vain to the extreme, they had a habit of NEVER uttering it. So when they were talking about Him to each other, or reading His name in Scripture, they would substitute His name with either "HaShem" ("the name"), or "Adonai" ("Lord"). In fact, that's how the name "Jehovah" came about, by taking the Tetragrammaton, "YHWH", and adding the vowel points for "adonai", and getting "Yahovah". So when the first century Jews were constantly referring to Jesus as "Lord", there were strong connotations of deity.

Finally, the major daily prayer for the Jews is the Sh'ma, Deut. 6:4-5:

Deut. 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.
...............................................................YHWH......elohim.......YHWH

So not only were "Lord" and "God" deeply associated with each other in the Jews' daily prayer, this is associated with a New Testament passage, written by a very devout and knowledgeable Jew, namely Paul:

1 Cor. 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

This isn't Christian theology, it's Jewish theology, expanded with Christian revelation.

Christ is called the following which would be against the Shema for a Jew proving Christ is Lord( YHWH in the OT and NT.

Our Lord and Savior
Our Lord and God
Our God and Savior
Our True God and Eternal Life
Our Only Sovereign and Lord
Our God and Creator
Our Savior and Lord
Our Lord and Savior
One Lord
Only Lord
Lord over all

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

continued below:

YHWH(God Almighty) revealed himself to Moses in the burning bush (Ex. 3:2-15). It was I AM that spoke with Moses, we are told it was the angel of the Lord that appeared to him. Jesus said to the Jews that He was the I Am that appeared to Moses (John 8:58). The Word (John 1:1) the 2nd Person of the Trinity is who appeared and came down from heaven as the angel of Jehovah. He appeared as a man. This angel of the Lord is called Yahweh in (Gen. 19:1-13, 33). God went before the Hebrews in the wilderness. What they saw was the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire (Ex. 13:21-22). Paul declared it was Christ who appeared in the wilderness and it was Christ the Lord who was tempted.(1 Cor 10:1-12)

John 1:18 says, "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God/Son who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared of explained Him." And then there is John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath sen the Father." The point being made is the fact that the Son of God is the visible manifestation of God (Hebrews 1:3) and the kicker verse if you wil is John 5:37, "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. YOU HAVE NEITHER HEARD HIS VOICE AT ANY TIME, NOR SEEN HIS FORM." So Jesus here out His own mouth says you have neither heard the Fathers voice nor seen His form."

The angel of the Lord who is YHWH is worshiped as YHWH- the Lord God !

Since God took the form of a man in the person of the preincarnate Jesus Christ this has to mean that Jesus Christ is God. So on what basis do I come to this conclusion? On the basis of what Jesus Christ Himself said at John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he who is from God, he hath seen the Father." And on the basis of the testimony of Old Testament saints themselves. Look at Genesis 16:13, "Then she/Hagar called the name OF THE LORD WHO spoke to her, Thou art a God who sees; for she said, Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him." Genesis 18 reading the whole chapter. Here is what vs1 states, "Now the Lord appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he/Abraham was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day." Please read the rest of the chapter and cross reference what Genesis 21:2 says regarding Genesis 18. "So Sarah conceived and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the appointed time OF WHICH GOD HAD SPOKEN TO HIM."

And who appeared to Isaac at Genesis 26:2? "And the Lord appeared to him and said, "Do not go down to Egypt, stay in the land of which I shall tell you." Now look at Genesis 26:3, "Sojourn in this land and I will be with you and bless you, for to your and to your descendants I will give all these lands, and I will ESTABLISH THE OATH WHICH I SWORE TO YOUR FATHER ABRAHAM."

Where did God swear this oath to Abraham ? Look at the whole chapter of Genesis 22 specifically verses 11-18. It was the angel of the Lord/Jesus Christ who swore the oath and He is identified as, what did you say, "God introduced Himself in the first person singular as "The Being." In fact, even the New Testament backs up this first person singular being swearing the oath by Himself at Hebrews 6:13,14, "For when GOD made the promise to Abraham, SINCE HE COULD NOT SWEAR BY NO ONE GREATER, HE SWORE BY HIMSELF. saying, "I will surely bless you; and I will surely multiply you." If you believe that it was an angel that swore the oath on Gods behalf than why does the text say God swore the oath BY HIMSELF AND THERE IS NO ONE GREATER, especially angels who are created like the rest of us mere humans.

Gen 22:11-14

But the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven, "Abraham! Abraham!"

"Here I am," he replied.

12 "Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son."

13 Abraham looked up and there in a thicket he saw a ram caught by its horns. He went over and took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering instead of his son. 14 So Abraham called that place The Lord Will Provide. And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided."


Exodus 3:2, 5

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed…And he said, Draw not nigh thither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.”

Judg 6:11-28

The angel of the Lord came and sat down under the oak in Ophrah that belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, where his son Gideon was threshing wheat in a winepress to keep it from the Midianites. 12 When the angel of the Lord appeared to Gideon, he said, "The Lord is with you, mighty warrior."

13 "But sir," Gideon replied, "if the Lord is with us, why has all this happened to us? Where are all his wonders that our fathers told us about when they said, 'Did not the Lord bring us up out of Egypt? But now the Lord has abandoned us and put us into the hand of Midian."

14 The Lord turned to him and said, "Go in the strength you have and save Israel out of Midian's hand. Am I not sending you?"

15 "But Lord,” Gideon asked, "how can I save Israel? My clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my family."

16 The Lord answered, "I will be with you, and you will strike down all the Midianites together."

17 Gideon replied, "If now I have found favor in your eyes, give me a sign that it is really you talking to me. 18 Please do not go away until I come back and bring my offering and set it before you."

And the Lord said, "I will wait until you return."

19 Gideon went in, prepared a young goat, and from an ephah of flour he made bread without yeast. Putting the meat in a basket and its broth in a pot, he brought them out and offered them to him under the oak.

20 The angel of God said to him, "Take the meat and the unleavened bread, place them on this rock, and pour out the broth." And Gideon did so. 21 With the tip of the staff that was in his hand, the angel of the Lord touched the meat and the unleavened bread. Fire flared from the rock, consuming the meat and the bread. And the angel of the Lord disappeared. 22 When Gideon realized that it was the angel of the Lord, he exclaimed, "Ah, Sovereign Lord! I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face!"

23 But the Lord said to him, "Peace! Do not be afraid. You are not going to die."

24 So Gideon built an altar to the Lord there and called it The Lord is Peace. To this day it stands in Ophrah of the Abiezrites.

25 That same night the Lord said to him, "Take the second bull from your father's herd, the one seven years old.Tear down your father's altar to Baal and cut down the Asherah pole beside it. 26 Then build a proper kind of altar to the Lord your God on the top of this height. Using the wood of the Asherah pole that you cut down, offer the second bull as a burnt offering."

27 So Gideon took ten of his servants and did as the Lord told him. But because he was afraid of his family and the men of the town, he did it at night rather than in the daytime.

28 In the morning when the men of the town got up, there was Baal's altar, demolished, with the Asherah pole beside it cut down and the second bull sacrificed on the newly built altar!

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Continued : Only One Lord- He is Christ

There is only One Lord- 1 Corinthians 8:6
There is only One Sovereign and Lord Jude 1:4

Kurios( Lord ) is the Greek word in the LXX for YHWH.

Jesus is called God in Acts

We can see that there is only One Savior who is Lord from both the Old and New Testaments. Now there is a particular poster who claims the book of Acts never refers to Jesus as God. We will see that the word Lord in many places is used in the book of Acts as an equivalent to God.


Isa 43:11
11"I, even I, am the Lord,(YHWH)
And there is no savior besides Me.

Isa 45:21-23
Is it not I, the Lord? (YHWH)
And there is no other God besides Me,
A righteous God and a Savior;
There is none except Me.
22"Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth;
For I am God, and there is no other.
23"I have sworn by Myself,
The word has gone forth from My mouth in righteousness
And will not turn back,
That to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.

Below we see in fact it is the name of Jesus alone by which men must be saved. There is no other name which can save a man.


Acts 4:12
12"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Here we see Stephen pray to Jesus as he was being stoned which would be forbidden if He were not God. We also see that Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit when he was praying to Jesus.


Acts 7:59-60
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

Jesus is Lord(YHWH) of all with no exceptions


Acts 10:36
"The word which He sent to the sons of Israel, preaching peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)

Acts 14:3
3 Therefore they spent a long time there speaking boldly with reliance upon the Lord, who was testifying to the word of His grace, granting that signs and wonders be done by their hands.

We see below that it was the name of Jesus whom they proclaimed as Lord. It was Jesus who was preached to the gentiles.

Acts 15:15-18
15 "With this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written,
16'AFTER THESE THINGS I will return,
AND I WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID WHICH HAS FALLEN,
AND I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS,
AND I WILL RESTORE IT,
17SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME,'
18SAYS THE LORD, WHO MAKES THESE THINGS KNOWN FROM LONG AGO.


Acts 15:23-26
"The apostles and the brethren who are elders, to the brethren in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia who are from the Gentiles, greetings.
24"Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls, 25it seemed good to us, having become of one mind, to select men to send to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The phrase the word of God is synonymous with the word of the Lord(Jesus,YHWH)

Acts 15:35
But Paul and Barnabas stayed in Antioch, teaching and preaching with many others also, the word of the Lord.

Again it is the Lord Jesus who was prayed to and who answers prayers.


Acts 16:14-15
14A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul. 15And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.

Below we see to believe in the Lord(Jesus) is the same as believing in God. In fact we see that they first believed in the Lord Jesus and later referred to that as believing in God therefore calling the Lord Jesus God !!


Acts 16:31-34
31They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. 33And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. 34And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and rejoiced greatly, having believed in God with his whole household.

So we can see that Jesus was preached in the book of Acts as the only One who can save men from their sins. We see He is indeed the Savior. We see He was prayed to under the power of the Holy Spirit and that Jesus answered prayer. They also called the word of God the word of the Lord making Jesus equal with God. We also see that those who believed in the Lord Jesus actually believed in God, therefor calling Jesus God.

We also see the Peter in fact calls Jesus YHWH when he refers to Joel below. When Peter calls Jesus Lord it is the same as calling Him YHWH,


Joel 2:32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Acts 2:21
1 'AND IT SHALL BE THAT EVERYONE WHO CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.'

Acts 2:34-36
4 "For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says:

'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
"SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND,
35 UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET."'

36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ — this Jesus whom you crucified."

Acts 4:10-12
0 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead — by this name this man stands here before you in good health. 11 "He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. 12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

It is the same Lord YHWH whom Stephen prayed to as he was dying for his faith in the Lord Jesus who saved him. To deny this is to turn a blind eye to the scriptures. We know from scripture that only God can save(Is 43:11) but we see in Acts that the Lord Jesus saved men from their sin. Had God not become man He could not of died for our sins. Had Jesus not been God He could not save us from sin.

Acts 7:59-60
59 They went on stoning Stephen as he called on the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!" 60 Then falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them!" Having said this, he fell asleep.

Jesus,Savior,Lord and God were interchangeable names for the one true God in Acts and the Epistles.

And of course we have YHWH who will be pierced, and He will pour out His Spirit. We know from the NT it was Jesus who would send the Helper,Comforter, Holy Spirit to His disciples and who was pierced.

Zech 12:10-11
10 "I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son, and they will weep bitterly over Him like the bitter weeping over a firstborn.

Acts 2:36-40
36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ — this Jesus whom you crucified."

37 Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?" 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 "For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself."

Acts 3:17-20
"And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. 18 "But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19 "Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

And this from @Fred for @Studyman to try and refute. Truth always prevail over the doctrines of man.

A few more to your insightful list:
1. Jesus is the Lord as well as the heart-knower of all in Acts 1:24 - God "alone" knows the hearts of all people (1 Kings 8:39).
2. The will of the Lord Jesus (Acts 21:14) corresponds to the will of God (Acts 18:21).
3. Commending someone to the Lord Jesus (Acts 14:23) corresponds to commending someone to God (Acts 20:32).
4. To fear the Lord Jesus (Acts 9:31) involves worshiping Him and not idols (2 Kings 17:36-39).
5. Turning to the Lord Jesus (Acts 9:35) involves worshiping Him (cf. Psalm 22:27) - not idols (Leviticus 19:4).
6. Jesus is the Lord to whom (leitourgeō) is offered in Acts 13:2.
2 Chronicles 13:10
But as for us, the LORD is our God, and we have not forsaken Him; and the sons of Aaron are ministering to the LORD as priests, and the Levites attend to their work.
Christians are priests of Christ (Revelation 20:6)

 

[Studyman]

Yep you deny scripture which declares He is the One Lord, the Only Lord of the Bible.

No I don't Civic. I do not deny any Scripture. I just don't believe in your religion, just as you don't believe in the Calvinist religion. And for the same reasons.

Is there any other Savior that God gives me to? I don't believe there is. I don't believe in the image of God you have adopted as your God. I don't believe in denying what the Jesus "of the Bible" actually says, just to justify a popular religious philosophy of this world God placed me in, that you have adopted.

Now I get it, like the Pharisees, a religious sect of Jesus' Time as a man on earth, you must belittle, ridicule and demean anyone who would expose your doctrines and traditions of men, just as this world's religions did to the Prophets, and God's Own Son that HE sent to them, and those who believed them. So your anger and lies you tell about me "Denying the Christ" or "denying God's Word" are completely natural and fleshy, and Jesus said you would behave in this way. So it's no big deal to me that you would behave in such a manner. The Calvinists do the same to you when you expose their falsehoods.

But who knows when and if God might open your eyes and ears to what is actually written. When you might consider "WHO" sent His Son, and who must give men to this Same Son, the Holy One of Israel, the only Savior of man, for cleansing.

And perhaps someday, before your time ends, you might consider Glorifying God "AS God" instead of preaching falsehoods about Him, like your preaching that HE places impossible to obey Laws, a "Yoke of Bondage", on the necks of men who humble themselves to Him as instructed, then slaughters them when they can't keep them. "And many other such things you teach".

Until then, I will bring these things up to the brethren in the hope that some of them might consider "ALL" that is written. Including the warnings of men "Who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but work iniquity".

 

[civic]

No I don't Civic. I do not deny any Scripture. I just don't believe in your religion, just as you don't believe in the Calvinist religion. And for the same reasons.

Is there any other Savior that God gives me to? I don't believe there is. I don't believe in the image of God you have adopted as your God. I don't believe in denying what the Jesus "of the Bible" actually says, just to justify a popular religious philosophy of this world God placed me in, that you have adopted.

Now I get it, like the Pharisees, a religious sect of Jesus' Time as a man on earth, you must belittle, ridicule and demean anyone who would expose your doctrines and traditions of men, just as this world's religions did to the Prophets, and God's Own Son that HE sent to them, and those who believed them. So your anger and lies you tell about me "Denying the Christ" or "denying God's Word" are completely natural and fleshy, and Jesus said you would behave in this way. So it's no big deal to me that you would behave in such a manner. The Calvinists do the same to you when you expose their falsehoods.

But who knows when and if God might open your eyes and ears to what is actually written. When you might consider "WHO" sent His Son, and who must give men to this Same Son, the Holy One of Israel, the only Savior of man, for cleansing.

And perhaps someday, before your time ends, you might consider Glorifying God "AS God" instead of preaching falsehoods about Him, like your preaching that HE places impossible to obey Laws, a "Yoke of Bondage", on the necks of men who humble themselves to Him as instructed, then slaughters them when they can't keep them. "And many other such things you teach".

Until then, I will bring these things up to the brethren in the hope that some of them might consider "ALL" that is written. Including the warnings of men "Who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but work iniquity".

The Scriptures I posted refute your beliefs about the identity of the One Lord, Only Lord.

another deflection, dodging, ignoring the plethora of scriptures I posted proving Jesus is the One/Only Lord that refute your personal beliefs that are unbiblical.

next fallacious argument from you..................

 

[Studyman]

And this from @Fred for @Studyman to try and refute. Truth always prevail over the doctrines of man.

I don't have to refute anything. I just trust the "Armor of God" to protect me from this world's religions that you have adopted and are now promoting to others.

A few more to your insightful list:
1. Jesus is the Lord as well as the heart-knower of all in Acts 1:24 - God "alone" knows the hearts of all people (1 Kings 8:39).

Matt. 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: "Our" Father (Jesus' Father and my Father) which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Acts 1: 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

1 Kings 8: 38 What prayer and supplication soever be made "by any man", or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house: 39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men

I will now ask you a question and will see if you will answer.

Who chose the 12 Apostles? God the Father of the Lord's Christ? Or the Lord's Christ by His Own Will?

2. The will of the Lord Jesus (Acts 21:14) corresponds to the will of God (Acts 18:21).

John 6: 37 All that "the Father giveth me" "shall come to me"; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do "mine own will", but "the will of him" that sent me.

39 And this is "the Father's will" which hath sent me, that of all "which he hath given me" I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

3. Commending someone to the Lord Jesus (Acts 14:23) corresponds to commending someone to God (Acts 20:32).

Matt. 11: 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, "Lord of heaven and earth", because "thou hast hid" these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

4. To fear the Lord Jesus (Acts 9:31) involves worshiping Him and not idols (2 Kings 17:36-39).
5. Turning to the Lord Jesus (Acts 9:35) involves worshiping Him (cf. Psalm 22:27) - not idols (Leviticus 19:4).

John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship "the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I have seen the image of God in the likeness of some random, long haired, very handsome man that you and "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord worship. Clearly Jesus didn't advocate such behavior, at least not the Jesus "of the Bible".

God "Is a Spirit". I believe He is a Holy Spirit.

You don't, therefore we disagree.

6. Jesus is the Lord to whom (leitourgeō) is offered in Acts 13:2.

John 14: 16 And "I will pray" the Father, and "he shall give you" another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Is this not Jesus speaking about when HE is on the Right Hand of His Father, advocating between His Father and me? He is still calling the One True God, His Father even after HE was ascended.

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, 10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Is this not the Spirit of Truth Jesus Promised that His Father would give to those who obey Him?

2 Chronicles 13:10
But as for us, the LORD is our God, and we have not forsaken Him; and the sons of Aaron are ministering to the LORD as priests, and the Levites attend to their work.
Christians are priests of Christ (Revelation 20:6)

Revelation 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments "of God", and the faith "of Jesus".

Even your own Scriptures, when taken in context, expose the image of God you have adopted and are promoting to others.

 

[Studyman]

The Scriptures I posted refute your beliefs about the identity of the One Lord, Only Lord.

another deflection, dodging, ignoring the plethora of scriptures I posted proving Jesus is the One/Only Lord that refute your personal beliefs that are unbiblical.

next fallacious argument from you..................

There is One God, and One Savior God Gives men too for cleansing. You are free to promote and worship any god you choose. I'm sticking to the God and Father of the Lord's Christ that Jesus reconciled me too.

 

[civic]

I don't have to refute anything. I just trust the "Armor of God" to protect me from this world's religions that you have adopted and are now promoting to others.


Matt. 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: "Our" Father (Jesus' Father and my Father) which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Acts 1: 24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

1 Kings 8: 38 What prayer and supplication soever be made "by any man", or by all thy people Israel, which shall know every man the plague of his own heart, and spread forth his hands toward this house: 39 Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place, and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men

I will now ask you a question and will see if you will answer.

Who chose the 12 Apostles? God the Father of the Lord's Christ? Or the Lord's Christ by His Own Will?



John 6: 37 All that "the Father giveth me" "shall come to me"; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do "mine own will", but "the will of him" that sent me.

39 And this is "the Father's will" which hath sent me, that of all "which he hath given me" I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.



Matt. 11: 25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, "Lord of heaven and earth", because "thou hast hid" these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. 27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.



John 4: 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship "the Father" in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I have seen the image of God in the likeness of some random, long haired, very handsome man that you and "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord worship. Clearly Jesus didn't advocate such behavior, at least not the Jesus "of the Bible".

God "Is a Spirit". I believe He is a Holy Spirit.

You don't, therefore we disagree.




John 14: 16 And "I will pray" the Father, and "he shall give you" another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Is this not Jesus speaking about when HE is on the Right Hand of His Father, advocating between His Father and me? He is still calling the One True God, His Father even after HE was ascended.

Acts 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, 10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

Is this not the Spirit of Truth Jesus Promised that His Father would give to those who obey Him?



Revelation 14: 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments "of God", and the faith "of Jesus".

Even your own Scriptures, when taken in context, expose the image of God you have adopted and are promoting to others.

You ran away from every passage I posted avoiding the truth like a plague

 

[civic]

There is One God, and One Savior God Gives men too for cleansing. You are free to promote and worship any god you choose. I'm sticking to the God and Father of the Lord's Christ that Jesus reconciled me too.

Once again running away who is identified as the One Lord, Only Lord in scripture.

Just another dodging and avoiding the scriptures that contradict your human philosophy.