Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

[DavidTree]

Please keep these as our Top Priority = we are TOGETHER in CHRIST by One Spirit

There is ONLY ONE TRUTH = John 17:17 = "Thy word is Truth.................Sanctify them in thy TRUTH"

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of TRUTH = what HE says in the Scriptures MUST be believed or we can fall into DIVISION which God hates

Context is NOT the Holy Spirit but it is a historical account as well as a parameter of framework of SUBJECT but not LIMITED to it.

With these eternal Scriptural Rules set forth by the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT we MUST discover if 'cessation of gifts' is of God or if it is another error from a heart of unbelief against "It is written".

Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes,
so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written,
so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

God has MANDATED/COMMANDED this to @civic @Grace ambassador @DavidTree @Administrator and the Body of Christ

We all have free will here.

Therefore, choosing to accept and walk in God's commandments in Christ and the Apostles will give you MORE Freedom in TRUTH.

Rejection, of the Commandment given to us as posted from Scripture in #740 will only lead to the pitfall of "respect of persons" and division.

 

[Runningman]

Please keep these as our Top Priority = we are TOGETHER in CHRIST by One Spirit

There is ONLY ONE TRUTH = John 17:17 = "Thy word is Truth.................Sanctify them in thy TRUTH"

Jesus didn't inherently have the truth, but rather is a man who heard the truth from God.

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of TRUTH = what HE says in the Scriptures MUST be believed or we can fall into DIVISION which God hates

If Jesus had to get the truth from someone else then Jesus is also not the Holy Spirit. We are narrowing this down.

Here's a question: if no one knows the Father except the Son and vice versa, then why do you suppose Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit as someone who knows them? Here's a clue, the Father is holy and a Spirit (John 4:23-24.) The Holy Spirit isn't an additional person, but just another name for the Father.

Matthew 11
27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

Context is NOT the Holy Spirit but it is a historical account as well as a parameter of framework of SUBJECT but not LIMITED to it.

I noticed you call the Holy Spirit an it. You are not completely wrong and in context the holy spirit is sometimes an actual anointing or gift rather than a person.

With these eternal Scriptural Rules set forth by the FATHER/SON/HOLY SPIRIT we MUST discover if 'cessation of gifts' is of God or if it is another error from a heart of unbelief against "It is written".

Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes,
so that in us you may learn not to exceed what is written,
so that no one of you will become arrogant in behalf of one against the other.

God has MANDATED/COMMANDED this to @civic @Grace ambassador @DavidTree @Administrator and the Body of Christ

Then why are you exceeding what is written? Where did you find the verse that says the spiritual gifts have ceased?

 

[civic]

Jesus didn't inherently have the truth, but rather is a man who heard the truth from God.

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

If Jesus had to get the truth from someone else then Jesus is also not the Holy Spirit. We are narrowing this down.

Here's a question: if no one knows the Father except the Son and vice versa, then why do you suppose Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit as someone who knows them? Here's a clue, the Father is holy and a Spirit (John 4:23-24.) The Holy Spirit isn't an additional person, but just another name for the Father.

Matthew 11
27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

I noticed you call the Holy Spirit an it. You are not completely wrong and in context the holy spirit is sometimes an actual anointing or gift rather than a person.


Then why are you exceeding what is written? Where did you find the verse that says the spiritual gifts have ceased?

Wrong He is the truth. It’s in His being, nature.

 

[Grace ambassador]

Apostle John called the Word an it, a thing, in 1 John 1. Do you know why? The Word isn’t actually person or God. He doesn’t exist anywhere in the Old Testament. It’s personification.

Context (is 'king'?):

"The Same [ Word ] was in the beginning With God { The Father? }. All things​

were made By Him; and Without Him was not any thing made that was made."​

(Context 'right After' v 1 = vs. 2-3 in John AV!)​

​

Should we just simply ignore this, as well as "The Creator/Creation" in Colossians 1:12-18 AV?
+

Don’t capitalize it like “LORD” because that causes confusion and gives the wrong idea. LORD is equivalent to YHWH in the OT and Jesus isn’t YHWH.

Precious friend, we have no problem with Capitalization Of our LORD Jesus Christ, because
In The OT, we have prayerfully and Carefully studied The Following Truth:

"...The LORD appeared unto him [ 99-year-old Abraham ch 17, v 24 ] in the plains of Mamre..." (Genesis 18:1 AV) Which Eternal Person did "Abraham see and talk to"? The Father or​

The SON?:​

​

1) The Inerrant Bible Of God Almighty Teaches The Truth:​

​

"No man hath seen God at any time!..." (John 1:18 AV) Must Refer "To The Father" Since:​

2) Must Be The LORD Jesus Christ Then, Because After "Communing With Abraham"​

and Then "Went His Way" (vs 16-17 and 33) - "Sodom and Gomorrah" (ch 19 AV),​

Correct? We now Have [ After Lot and his family is Removed! ] This Truth:​

"Then The LORD [ The SON On the earth,] rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah​

brimstone and fire from The LORD [ The Father On The Throne ] out of heaven;"​

(Genesis 19:24 AV)​

Thus, we, Just As The Father Does, Call Him LORD, Because:

Nothing in Scripture directly calls Jesus God. Some of the "proofs" you posted in your thread are simply semantics, misunderstanding the grammar, or taking it out of context.

Because of This Plain and Clear [ Something In Scripture ] Truth!:

"...Unto The SON He [ The Father v 1] Saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and​

ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom" (Hebrews 1:8 AV)​

​

Precious friend why in Heaven's Name would I believe "nothing In Scripture directly calls
Jesus God", When The Father Himself "Directly Did So!" ???

We are all praying for @Wrangler, @Keiw1, @APAK, @Runningman, @MatthewG, @Peterlag, and @Pancho Frijoles, and all jw's to please prayerfully and Very Carefully Reconsider, Because Of:

"Fearfully Considering God's Eternal Judgment"​

Thank The LORD Jesus Christ, "He IS God, The Righteous Judge!"

(John 5:22-23 cp Revelation 20:11-12a AV)​

Amen.

 

[Studyman]

no those you mentioned were not the 12 apostles/disciples-

But they do prove the false gospel that no one received God's Holy Spirit before Pentecost. Also your stated doctrine that no man was "born again" before Jesus was murdered is also exposed in these Scriptures. And the false teaching that no man understood the death and resurrection of the Christ "of the bible" before Pentecost, is also exposed by these and other Scriptures.

When you combine these falsehoods, you live by and promote to others, with your judgements of God, and how you preach HE placed unbearable yokes of bondage, impossible to obey instructions on the necks of men who trusted Him, and then slaughtered thousands of them who couldn't keep them. And that HE had to come to earth, "AS GOD" to correct Himself through a supernatural body of Jesus, that was disguised as a man.

When all the lipstick is taken off this religion you have adopted, and the doctrines it promotes, it becomes clear why the Christ of the Bible warned us about religious men who "transform themselves" into apostles of Christ, who come in Christ's Name" to deceive.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This is why He said not to be like the Hypocrites in the manmade shrines of worship created by the religions of this world. And why HE said to "Come out of her", the "her" being the chaotic religious system of this world, which is Babylon.

I know some of this world's self-proclaimed "ministers of righteousness" are so invested in this world's religions and their philosophies that the cost of turning to the Words of the God and the Jesus "of the Bible" is simply too much for them. Doing so would require "believing" ALL that is written in the Law and Prophets, and the religious businesses of this world and those invested in them, are not willing to give up their power, wealth and praise of men they crave, because of the Words of a Book.

Nevertheless, there are men who God calls out of this Babylon, and they read the Scriptures in search of God's Truth, and Seeking God's Righteousness instead of self-justification. If there is someone like this on this forum, I want them to know they are not alone, that there are others who see the hypocrisy and falsehoods promoted by the religions of this world, and that we don't need to support them, or help them build their religious business to know God and to be given to the Lord's Christ.

And yes, they will call you names and label you, they will ridicule and try to turn you away from yielding yourself a servant to obey God. Don't listen to these "other voices" in the Garden God placed you in. Cling to God, and HE will give you to His Son, and His Son loses no one.

 

[civic]

But they do prove the false gospel that no one received God's Holy Spirit before Pentecost. Also your stated doctrine that no man was "born again" before Jesus was murdered is also exposed in these Scriptures. And the false teaching that no man understood the death and resurrection of the Christ "of the bible" before Pentecost, is also exposed by these and other Scriptures.

When you combine these falsehoods, you live by and promote to others, with your judgements of God, and how you preach HE placed unbearable yokes of bondage, impossible to obey instructions on the necks of men who trusted Him, and then slaughtered thousands of them who couldn't keep them. And that HE had to come to earth, "AS GOD" to correct Himself through a supernatural body of Jesus, that was disguised as a man.

When all the lipstick is taken off this religion you have adopted, and the doctrines it promotes, it becomes clear why the Christ of the Bible warned us about religious men who "transform themselves" into apostles of Christ, who come in Christ's Name" to deceive.

Matt. 24: 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This is why He said not to be like the Hypocrites in the manmade shrines of worship created by the religions of this world. And why HE said to "Come out of her", the "her" being the chaotic religious system of this world, which is Babylon.

I know some of this world's self-proclaimed "ministers of righteousness" are so invested in this world's religions and their philosophies that the cost of turning to the Words of the God and the Jesus "of the Bible" is simply too much for them. Doing so would require "believing" ALL that is written in the Law and Prophets, and the religious businesses of this world and those invested in them, are not willing to give up their power, wealth and praise of men they crave, because of the Words of a Book.

Nevertheless, there are men who God calls out of this Babylon, and they read the Scriptures in search of God's Truth, and Seeking God's Righteousness instead of self-justification. If there is someone like this on this forum, I want them to know they are not alone, that there are others who see the hypocrisy and falsehoods promoted by the religions of this world, and that we don't need to support them, or help them build their religious business to know God and to be given to the Lord's Christ.

And yes, they will call you names and label you, they will ridicule and try to turn you away from yielding yourself a servant to obey God. Don't listen to these "other voices" in the Garden God placed you in. Cling to God, and HE will give you to His Son, and His Son loses no one.

I have proven from the teaching of Jesus that no one was born again until Pentecost which is why He had them with until that Day when He would pour out His spirit upon them causing the new birth and indwelling of the Holy Spirit as taught in Acts.

next fallacy.

 

[Studyman]

I have proven from the teaching of Jesus that no one was born again until Pentecost which is why He had them with until that Day when He would pour out His spirit upon them causing the new birth and indwelling of the Holy Spirit as taught in Acts.

next fallacy.

Only by cherry picking Scriptures and omitting much of God's Inspired Words, can the doctrine which teaches Abraham will not enter the Kingdom of God because he wasn't "born again", or that Abraham can enter the Kingdom of God, "without" being born again. Which directly contradicts the very Words of the Jesus "of the Bible". His Words that I posted for you, and you completely ignored as if they didn't exist.

You have simply used Scriptures to justify your adopted religious philosophy. When all the Scriptures are considered, as Both Jesus and Paul instruct us to do, it is clear that God's Spirit existed within "The Generation of the Righteous", which would include the Faithful who observed Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, and counted correctly so as to be gathered on Pentecost. For you to preach to the world that no man partook of this Journey before Jesus rose from the dead is not only foolish but cannot be supported by Scriptures. Caleb, Joshua, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men. These members of the "Generation of the righteous" obeyed God, just as the early church "under God's New Priesthood" obeyed God. And as a result, like Zacharias and Simeon and Anna, they all knew the Truth about the death and resurrection of the Jesus "of the bible", by the Holy Spirit that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him. Just because you don't believe what is written, doesn't make what is written false.

I know you cannot be persuaded otherwise, because you don't hear Moses and the Prophets, and if you won't hear them, neither will you hear the Jesus "of the bible". At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he "cannot see" the kingdom of God.

Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, "in the kingdom of God", and you yourselves thrust out.

 

[civic]

Only by cherry picking Scriptures and omitting much of God's Inspired Words, can the doctrine which teaches Abraham will not enter the Kingdom of God because he wasn't "born again", or that Abraham can enter the Kingdom of God, "without" being born again. Which directly contradicts the very Words of the Jesus "of the Bible". His Words that I posted for you, and you completely ignored as if they didn't exist.

You have simply used Scriptures to justify your adopted religious philosophy. When all the Scriptures are considered, as Both Jesus and Paul instruct us to do, it is clear that God's Spirit existed within "The Generation of the Righteous", which would include the Faithful who observed Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, and counted correctly so as to be gathered on Pentecost. For you to preach to the world that no man partook of this Journey before Jesus rose from the dead is not only foolish but cannot be supported by Scriptures. Caleb, Joshua, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men. These members of the "Generation of the righteous" obeyed God, just as the early church "under God's New Priesthood" obeyed God. And as a result, like Zacharias and Simeon and Anna, they all knew the Truth about the death and resurrection of the Jesus "of the bible", by the Holy Spirit that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him. Just because you don't believe what is written, doesn't make what is written false.

I know you cannot be persuaded otherwise, because you don't hear Moses and the Prophets, and if you won't hear them, neither will you hear the Jesus "of the bible". At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he "cannot see" the kingdom of God.

Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, "in the kingdom of God", and you yourselves thrust out.

nothing but your presuppositions above void of Scripture as evidence it happened prior to pentecost. I have provided well over a dozen proving it happened at Pentecost not before.

next fallacy

 

[dwight92070]

You're not speaking from the Holy Spirit with your false doctrines and false accusations. It's already apparent from the fruit you bear that you are just here to mislead others and slander the actual Christians while quoting scripture to make it seem spiritual and pious. I see right through it my friend.

You are a walking contradiction. Jesus never called someone who misleads others a friend.

 

[360watt]

Only by cherry picking Scriptures and omitting much of God's Inspired Words, can the doctrine which teaches Abraham will not enter the Kingdom of God because he wasn't "born again", or that Abraham can enter the Kingdom of God, "without" being born again. Which directly contradicts the very Words of the Jesus "of the Bible". His Words that I posted for you, and you completely ignored as if they didn't exist.

You have simply used Scriptures to justify your adopted religious philosophy. When all the Scriptures are considered, as Both Jesus and Paul instruct us to do, it is clear that God's Spirit existed within "The Generation of the Righteous", which would include the Faithful who observed Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, and counted correctly so as to be gathered on Pentecost. For you to preach to the world that no man partook of this Journey before Jesus rose from the dead is not only foolish but cannot be supported by Scriptures. Caleb, Joshua, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men. These members of the "Generation of the righteous" obeyed God, just as the early church "under God's New Priesthood" obeyed God. And as a result, like Zacharias and Simeon and Anna, they all knew the Truth about the death and resurrection of the Jesus "of the bible", by the Holy Spirit that Peter says God gives to those who obey Him. Just because you don't believe what is written, doesn't make what is written false.

I know you cannot be persuaded otherwise, because you don't hear Moses and the Prophets, and if you won't hear them, neither will you hear the Jesus "of the bible". At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches.

John 3: 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he "cannot see" the kingdom of God.

Luke 13: 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, "in the kingdom of God", and you yourselves thrust out.

Yeah.. OT prophets and others testified of Jesus. Whether foretelling them or as pre incarnate.

Jesus talked about searching the scriptures 'for in them think ye have eternal life'

That's the Old Testament mentioned by Jesus.

I would say also people were born again before Pentecost.

 

[DavidTree]

nothing but your presuppositions above void of Scripture as evidence it happened prior to pentecost. I have provided well over a dozen proving it happened at Pentecost not before.

next fallacy

can the doctrine which teaches Abraham will not enter the Kingdom of God because he wasn't "born again",

Above statement is TRUTH

You need to reexamine your position which is HIGHLY FAULTY and against the very words of CHRIST and the OT evidence in Post 739

Jesus answered and said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him.”

Pentecost is about the the 2nd Promise of the FATHER = the Baptism in/of the Holy Spirit for His Saints/BELIEVERS

And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Proverbs 9:8
Do not correct a scoffer, lest he hate you;
Rebuke a wise man, and he will love you.

Your choice Brother - scoffer or wise man

 

[Runningman]

You are a walking contradiction. Jesus never called someone who misleads others a friend.

Jesus called Judas friend after he betrayed him and before they arrested him.

Matthew 26
49And forthwith he came to Jesus, and said, Hail, master; and kissed him. 50And Jesus said unto him, Friend, wherefore art thou come? Then came they, and laid hands on Jesus, and took him.

 

[Runningman]

Wrong He is the truth. It’s in His being, nature.

But Jesus isn't omniscient. He's a man who got the truth from God as he already said. Sometimes when Jesus spoke, he spoke as the Father who possessed him saw fit.

John 14
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

 

[civic]

But Jesus isn't omniscient. He's a man who got the truth from God as he already said. Sometimes when Jesus spoke, he spoke as the Father who possessed him saw fit.

John 14
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

He is the way the truth and the life. You are in opposition to scripture

 

[Runningman]

He is the way the truth and the life. You are in opposition to scripture

He got his way, truth, and life from the Father.

Jesus got his way from the Father:

John 5
19So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

Jesus got his truth from the Father:

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

Jesus got his life the Father:

John 5
26For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.

Jesus is the way, truth, and life because God gave it all to him.

 

[mikesw]

He got his way, truth, and life from the Father.

Jesus got his way from the Father:

John 5
19So Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

Jesus got his truth from the Father:

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

Jesus got his life the Father:

John 5
26For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.

Jesus is the way, truth, and life because God gave it all to him.

Not much there for an argument against Christ's divinity. Jesus was not going around to everyone saying "follow me because I'm of the Godhead." He was speaking to the people's understanding of Jesus as the Prophet. In that sense he spoke of God in the distinct sense from his own place in the Godhead.
We can especially note your mismatch in John 8:40. There is a difference between hearing the truth and being the truth. That truth combines with him noted as the Word and as God. These points may be a little too technical for you to follow though.
It might be pushing it a bit but Jesus notes in John 8:39-40 that the Jews were trying to kill Jesus but that is not what Abraham did. This can mean that Abraham had no inclination or intent to kill Jesus -- contrasting against the Jews of that era.

 

[Runningman]

Not much there for an argument against Christ's divinity.

Jesus not inherently having the way, truth, and life until he got it from the Father is a strong argument against Jesus being God.

Jesus was not going around to everyone saying "follow me because I'm of the Godhead." He was speaking to the people's understanding of Jesus as the Prophet. In that sense he spoke of God in the distinct sense from his own place in the Godhead.

Sounds like he isn't God then. God never danced around the idea of being God in Scripture and was very open and forthcoming about it. Jesus never claimed to be God one time.

We can especially note your mismatch in John 8:40. There is a difference between hearing the truth and being the truth. That truth combines with him noted as the Word and as God. These points may be a little too technical for you to follow though.

Jesus said he is a man who heard the truth from God sounds like he isn't God. God isn't a man in Jewish theology.

It might be pushing it a bit but Jesus notes in John 8:39-40 that the Jews were trying to kill Jesus but that is not what Abraham did. This can mean that Abraham had no inclination or intent to kill Jesus -- contrasting against the Jews of that era.

I see the context about Jesus saying he is a man who was sent by the Father who heard the truth from "God." Jesus is saying the Father is God while he himself is a man; Jesus denied being God here. The Jews know God is not a man. Jesus was obviously defusing the situation as it was escalating to them wanting to kill him for saying what he was saying.

 

[civic]

Not much there for an argument against Christ's divinity. Jesus was not going around to everyone saying "follow me because I'm of the Godhead." He was speaking to the people's understanding of Jesus as the Prophet. In that sense he spoke of God in the distinct sense from his own place in the Godhead.
We can especially note your mismatch in John 8:40. There is a difference between hearing the truth and being the truth. That truth combines with him noted as the Word and as God. These points may be a little too technical for you to follow though.
It might be pushing it a bit but Jesus notes in John 8:39-40 that the Jews were trying to kill Jesus but that is not what Abraham did. This can mean that Abraham had no inclination or intent to kill Jesus -- contrasting against the Jews of that era.

ditto

 

[MTMattie]

Rejecting the very Words of the Christ, in order to exalt the image of God your Catholic mother created in the likeness of some random longhaired handsome man, Dishonors the Son. Rejecting the Commandments, Statutes and Judgments of the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, dishonors both the Father and the Son who offered Himself to provide you with a chance to, as it is written;

Eph. 4: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created "in righteousness and true holiness".

Rejecting the Father and His Righteousness, "in Christ's Name", didn't work for those Christians in Matt. 7. I'm not sure who convinced you that you can live the same lifestyle, and not be treated the same way by Jesus.




John 6: 44 No man can come to me, "except the Father" which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 48 I am that bread of life.

You work to divide Christ from His Father. You should be ashamed of yourself.



You have your opinions of others who don't bow down to your specific adopted religious business. Calvinists, Pharisees, etc., are no different than you. The Jesus "of the Bible" said if I became a "doer" of His Sayings, and not a hearer only like you, that my house will stand. Only a fool would turn away from the God and Father of the Lord's Christ that the Jesus "of the Bible" says to know "Is Eternal Life". This Jesus saw you coming and prepared me so that I might stand. He said you wouldn't like me for adopting His "Way of Life".

Eph. 6: 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.



John 10: 36 Say ye of him, whom "the Father" hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, "I am the Son of God?"

Yes, the Holy Spirit from the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, testifies of His Son, the "Jesus of the Bible", who HE sent. My Savior is Truly the Son of God, my Salvation, and is advocating between me and His Father even now. And for this I am eternally grateful.



Matt. 3: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, "This is my beloved Son", in whom I am well pleased.

In your religion, would this voice not be the Holy Spirit? And if it is, why do you preach to others that the Jesus "of the Bible" IS NOT "the Son" of God, but God Himself?

OK... I see the problem. Reading comprehension.

13 Then Jesus *arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him.

14 But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?”

15 But Jesus answering said to him, “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he *permitted Him.

16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and [i]he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and [j]lighting on Him,

17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is [k]My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

First. the Holy Spirit came and lit on Jesus.

Next. The voice that said "My beloved Son" yada yada... came from... (repeat after me) HEAVEN.

With your twisted view you again make it to seem as if the Holy Spirit is actually Jesus' father.

So think long and hard on that implication.

You... with your belief system simply cannot rationalize what is right in from of your eyes.

Mr. Anti-trin man.... if there is no trinity.... then making that suggestion of "would this voice not be the Holy Spirit?" Keeps YHWH out of the equation altogether..... I would be very careful of that teaching.

John 17: 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify "thy Son", that "thy Son" also may glorify thee:

2 As "thou hast given him power" over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many "as thou hast given him".

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, "and" Jesus Christ, whom "thou hast sent".

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which "thou gavest me to do".

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory "which I had with thee" before the world was.



Matt. 7: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied "in thy name"? and "in thy name" have cast out devils? and "in thy name" done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Every verse you posted, exposes your bias against the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, and against the Jesus "of the Bible".

Honoring Christ with your lips is popular, and a great marketing strategy for the religious sects and businesses of this world as they compete for butts to fill the seats of their manmade shrines of worship.

But believing God and His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", must include being a "Doer" of His Sayings, not a hearer only.

At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches. And I believe in this Jesus, not "another Jesus" promoted by the religions of this world.

 

[MTMattie]

Jesus didn't inherently have the truth, but rather is a man who heard the truth from God.

John 8
40But now you are trying to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham never did such a thing.

If Jesus had to get the truth from someone else then Jesus is also not the Holy Spirit. We are narrowing this down.

SIGH.... double double toil and trouble.... you make things so difficult.

Are you not among the crowd who says a tot or young child does not have the capacity to understand..... they have to be taught..... ergo
a baby baptism is for naught???????????????????????????????????????????????/

Jesus was not born a 30 year old man. He learned what his reason for being was by the time he started his ministry or he would have started at 15 or 18....

Who the _____ (Yep... that word) ever suggested that the Holy Spirit was anyone other then himself?

Who the _____ (Yep... that word again ) ever suggested that God YHWH, the Father was anyone other then himself?

Who the _____ (Yep... that word again ) ever suggested that Jesus was anyone other then himself?

You will never hear that from a Trinitarian.

The words to the song are GOD IN 3 PERSONS

Try to see it this way.

God said you married your wife and became one flesh. If you had a child they are part of your family. Each of you has their own "job" in the family. But you and your wife are still one flesh.


Better yet.

Take a cube.

A cube has width, depth and height. Without any of these it is not a cube.

Bu Width is neither depth or height. and of the 3 parts each can stand on their own with their respective jobs of being wide, deep to high. Individually they do their own thing..... but they are all part of the cube.

The Trinity is 3 individual parts... each with a job and an assignment in eternity... but they are the Godhead and stand as one.

WHY do you refuse to understand this simplicity??????????????????????

Here's a question: if no one knows the Father except the Son and vice versa, then why do you suppose Jesus didn't mention the Holy Spirit as someone who knows them? Here's a clue, the Father is holy and a Spirit (John 4:23-24.) The Holy Spirit isn't an additional person, but just another name for the Father.

Matthew 11
27All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

I noticed you call the Holy Spirit an it. You are not completely wrong and in context the holy spirit is sometimes an actual anointing or gift rather than a person.


Then why are you exceeding what is written? Where did you find the verse that says the spiritual gifts have ceased?