TibiasDad
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And how does this discount what I have said? This only means that Jesus was fully God and fully human in the incarnation.
Doug
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Lord is a title. Jesus is the name God gave to him, it made him better than the angels)-his companions( Psalm 45:7)
It wasn't the proper time yet. Michael kicks his butt in the war in heaven( Rev 12) and boots him and his angels( 1/3 of them) to the vicinity of the Earth. Never allowed back in heaven( bruising of his head) Jesus is foretold to do that, another proof Jesus is Michael.
Jesus lives to do his Fathers will. He only teaches what the Fathers will was. If Jesus failed on Earth he would be in the same boat with satan. See John 15:10-14) to remain in his Fathers love he must obey what he is commanded to do.
charismaticlady
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Weren't you accusing me I must be mono, and not poly? I go by neither, just the Word.
TibiasDad
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charismaticlady
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No. A cherub is of a higher rank than a one-country Archangel. You'll never understand this unless you open up to any other possibility than what JW teaches. So are you brain-washed, or open for growth? Jesus is not an angel, nor Michael.
TibiasDad
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What you go by is irrelevant: what you espouse is by definition mono/modalism. Your personal nomenclature for what you call it doesn’t change what it is in reality. “A rose by any other name…”
Doug
TibiasDad
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Again, deal with Heb 1! He is the exact representation of God’s being. Note he doesn’t say “copy”, he says representation. He represents who God is exactly because he is what God is exactly. There is no discrepancy in what Christ is to what God is!
Doug
TibiasDad
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That He is the image of the invisible God means that Jesus made visible (that’s what an image does after all) what the invisible God is!
Doug
charismaticlady
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Doug, the Bible makes it simple if you can understand it. I am not Oneness, but I understand what they are believing, and it is not unscriptural. And neither is polywhatever. They are both right.
You are a pastor so like big words and theologians. I rely solely on the simple but powerful truth revealed to me through God. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Word is God. Jesus is God. The Holy Spirit is God. And the Spirit of Christ is God. How's that for poly? Did you ever notice the three are all in Romans 8:9. The Spirit (Holy Spirit), The Spirit of God (Father), and the Spirit of Christ (Jesus). So all in the New Covenant of the Spirit, not scattered in different dispensations.
As you know, the latest supernatural gift of the Spirit I asked for and immediately received is the opening of my eyes by the Spirit of God, prophesied to me 25 years ago in a long prophecy that has come to pass in order; this being the second to the last line of the prophecy. The last line I think is future, and could cost me my life. We'll see. So, I visit a lot of different denominational churches testing whether they are anointed in Truth or not according to the Spirit. Some denominations show absolutely no anointing at all. Notta. But the two I've seen the biggest anointings were the little country church that had split from the UMC, and the Oneness Pentecostal church. One poly, and the other mono. But BOTH had huge anointings I could physically see. It was even recorded and I can see them on television and computer monitors.
What I found very disturbing was visiting a Foursquare Gospel church quite a few miles from my house. I was invited by a missionary friend, and jumped at the chance to see the anointing I knew would be there, as it was the denomination in California where I was filled with the Holy Spirit and born again. But, when the sermon began, my mouth hit the floor. I was expecting a blazing white halo anointing. But what I saw was black billowing clouds of smoke as a backdrop to a swirling tornado. That was worse than seeing nothing. It disturbed me so much I knew I had to tell that pastor about it after the service, and told him that whatever he was hiding, it was tearing him up and he needed to get before God with it. I told him, it was not revealed to me what it represented, but I knew he knew. I also told him I would not tell my friends who were members there. I would love to go back now (that was a couple years ago) and see if it has changed.
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TibiasDad
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My Sister,
If you think that I, as a pastor, lean to academics rather than the Spirit you would be quite wrong. We test all things by the Spirit, and we are to test each “spirit” to see if they are of God. (1John 4:1) We test the Spirits by the Word of God, which is understood by language analysis and cross referencing one text with other similar language in scripture.
It is not a matter of what I feel a passage means, but what the language that the Spirit of God uses in scripture can be confirmed by ‘two or three witnesses’, that is, independent outside sources that confirm what I believe the Spirit is saying to me. It is not dissimilar to how the US government set up with checks and balances to make sure that we don’t go haywire in one direction or the other.
From all that you have said, I can see no substantial difference between your views and Oneness/Modalism. I seek no belittlement of you, not do I doubt your faith in Christ. I am simply not able to concur with your opinion on this matter at any juncture.
Doug
Archangel translates-Chief of the angels--that means all of them. None is higher than Michael except for Jehovah God.
There is a whole bible. Use it.
Luke 17:26=99.9% mislead here in these last days-RELOOK please.
TibiasDad
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Darkness is the absence of light; likewise oneness and poly personhood are antithetical to each other and cannot both be true or scriptural. That is a simple truth that is irrefutable.
Doug
TibiasDad
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I do; you are ignoring Hebrews 1 which is part of the whole Bible. Use (deal with) the evidence of Heb 1!
Doug
TibiasDad
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What does this have to do with Col 1:15? You are running again, Keiw1, running away from the evidence against your argument. Why can’t you deal with what is said instead of changing directions and making a different argument?
Doug
charismaticlady
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I call myself a Trinitarian, but only because God is a triune being, and we are made in His likeness - spirit, soul and body. I believe 1 John 5:7 from the KJV, not the corrupted modern versions. The Father, Word and Spirit are one. One what?
Because of the supernatural nature of God opening my eyes, you immediately run to 1 John 4:1? I don't even have to look that up, I know the word of God. That is insulting, not only to me, but to God.
Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, nor have entered into the heart of man the things which God has prepared for those who love Him. But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the DEEP THINGS OF GOD.
Why is it that deep spirituality is foolishness to the natural man, and the first place they go to when presented with deep things of God who is not natural, but supernatural, is the devil. If you can hear the Spirit, why is seeing deemed another spirit.
Neither the Wesleyan church, nor the Oneness church teach or even know what I know the word of God to say. The word of God holds a higher standard than what both of them believe put together. Until you understand the New Covenant without any contradictions like a tight mosaic, you can never see the whole picture of our glorification.
TibiasDad
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Well, I would only say that your opinion of your gifting is singular and we will have to agree to disagree agreeably. You may know what the Bible says, but your understanding of it is misguided in my humble opinion. I am sincerely afraid for you in this path you are taking. It seems to me that the edge of the cliff is closer than you realize.
Again, I am sincerely not trying to belittle you, I am merely trying to be honest and yet respect your right to believe what you will. May the grace of God be with you and may wisdom guide and guard your heart. I am certain that in heaven we will all have to deal with embarrassment over what we believed so adamantly only to discover we were wrong.
Doug
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