charismaticlady
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The disciples asked Jesus to just "show us the Father, and that will be enough." What did Jesus say in response? Look it up.
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FreeInChrist
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@charismaticlady ,
My perspective....
Saying “I am one person” does not mean we are not made up of distinguishable parts. Scripture itself shows that body, soul, and spirit are not merely three words for the same thing, but can be spoken of separately and even independently. At death, for example, the body returns to dust, while the spirit returns to God who gave it (Eccl. 12:7). That alone shows the spirit is not simply identical with the body — it can exist apart from it. The spirit is that part of us that relates to and communes with God.
The Bible also explicitly says the soul and spirit are distinguishable. Hebrews 4:12 says the word of God pierces “to the division of soul and spirit.” You cannot divide something that is not distinct in some meaningful sense. While they work together as one living person, they are not identical components. Scripture treats them as separable realities within the one human being.
Jesus further shows this distinction in Matthew 10:28 when He says, “Do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.” If body and soul were simply the same thing, that statement would make no sense. The body can die while the soul continues. Again, unity of person does not erase real distinctions within that person.
So the human analogy actually helps the Trinity rather than hurting it. We are one being with distinguishable aspects, and yet no one says those aspects are illusions or merely metaphors. In the same way, God being one does not mean there cannot be real personal distinctions within the one divine nature. “One” does not automatically mean “no distinction”; it means unity of essence, not singularity of person.
charismaticlady
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I agree with most of what you said, I just used 1 Thess. 5:23 to prove it. For the most part, you are preaching to the choir. LOL
To look elsewhere, like outside myself for my mind, would be silly. I did not agree with that at all. I'm saying we are a triune entity; which when born again, refers only to our mind and soul, awaiting the death and rebirth also of our body. But while on earth they stay together. What I do not agree with is each part living independent of each other while on earth. Only for a brief moment while on the cross, did the Father forsake Jesus so He could fulfill the requirement in full for our reconciliation with the Father.
How do you think Jesus only did what He saw the Father doing in heaven? His spirit is our mind. The mind controls the body; not the other way around. That is why Jesus said the Father is greater than the Son. And yet they are in one person. This is why 1 John 2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
And the soul is our heart where the laws of God are written and known by our spirit/mind. They are not independent of each other either. I'm born again and find that I would not allow myself to even think about another woman's husband in a sinful way. The soul is our conscience, and gives us the power over the needs of the body to live in peace of mind while still in the body. We are to "keep" ourselves from willful, lawless sins unto death. And the wicked one does not touch us. 1 John 5:18, "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him." Satan cannot be my accuser anymore before the Father. But that is because I am 78 years old and have been keeping myself a long time. In 1977 Jesus was the Author of my faith. Now He is the Finisher of my faith. My only part was to stay abiding in Him in the Spirit, and the test that I succeeded in doing my part is I can see that I've received 100% of my prayers for 49 years. Interesting that for the first 30 years of my life, not one prayer was answered. I even had doubts God existed at all because of that test! 1 John 3:22.
This is why even though our sin nature (the old man, the flesh) has been crucified, or as in Colossians, circumcised without hands, and we are free from having to willfully sin, we must willfully still reckon ourselves free in order to grow to maturity, and not let someone we are not equally yoked with talk our body into sin while we are still immature in the fruit of the Spirit, such as self-control. We still have free will. Choosing all our associates wisely with our mind, keeps our conscience clear.
It is only the Church that teaches that the Trinity is three independent persons, not the Bible. And the wonderful thing is, when born again of the seed of the Father we can be one with them also. John 17.
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Are you into heresy of Modualism/oneness then?
She seems to holding to heresy like Modualism/Oneness
The Holy Spirit is a person, as is Jesus, and they are not each other, nor are either of them also the father
Every scholar on Earth knows 100% The Word was not called the same Greek word given to the true God at John 1:1-- The only reason not is God and god.
Jesus is Gods image. An image is NEVER the real thing. Even Psalm 45:7 teaches Jesus has a God-companions= angels
It clarifies-Gods truth. In Greek they didn't use certain words or commas.
The archangel is the chief prince over ALL angels. But each type has a prince as well. Satan was the anointed Cherub.
Trinity Greek scholars you mean. There have been about 20 translations in history prior to the Nwt that has a god at John 1:1-
1808- New Testament an improved version
New test in Greek and English-1822
Literal translation of NT-1863
Concise commentary-1885
Works of Greek scholars( unbias)
My Jesus has a God, My Jesus had to be given all authority-judging-a kingship--So tell us who can give God any of that?
FreeInChrist
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Polytheism.
charismaticlady
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Nope, just the Bible
charismaticlady
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So JW's teach you that Michael is higher than Satan, and yet he would not rebuke him?
TibiasDad
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That’s because they are identical in nature of being and unified in purpose. The Holy Spirit is in us, does that make us the Spirit?
Everything that the Father is, the Son is.
Doug
TibiasDad
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So am I, but we are not the same person! We are the same nature of being, human. The Trinity are not one person, but three in one nature of being- God.
Doug
TibiasDad
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TibiasDad
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Jesus is “the exact representation of the Father’s being”; thus, whatever the Father’s being is, the Son is exactly the same. Is God, eternal? So is the Son! Is God X ? So is the Son.
Deal with my argument, don’t divert to your twisted understanding of a single word out of context!
Doug
charismaticlady
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Colossians 2:9 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Nope, you are both wrong about me. But the mod squad are closer than poly. The truth is in the middle between the two. Oneness believes that at times He appears as the Father, and at other times as the Holy Spirit, but they are all Jesus.
cc: @JesusFan
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