Who is the creator

Jehovah is a single being God, Thus its very relevant.

Only to the Jehovah Witnesses.....

There are several Trinitarian Christian groups and denominations do use (or have used) the name "Jehovah" to refer to God, even though this is far more characteristic of Jehovah's Witnesses (who are non-Trinitarian and emphasize it as God's exclusive personal name).

The form "Jehovah" is an older English vocalization of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton (YHWH/YHVH), which appears thousands of times in the Old Testament. Most mainstream Trinitarian Christians prefer "Yahweh" in scholarly contexts or simply "LORD" (following Jewish tradition of not pronouncing the name), but "Jehovah" still appears in various Trinitarian settings:

In Older Bible translations used by Trinitarians: The King James Version (1611) renders it as "Jehovah" in a few places (e.g., Psalm 83:18, Exodus 6:3). Many historic Protestant Trinitarian churches used these Bibles and thus referred to God as Jehovah in hymns, prayers, and writings.

In Trinitarian Bible Society: This organization (explicitly Trinitarian) strongly defends "Jehovah" as a valid and accurate form of God's name, promoting its use in their literature and Bible editions.

In Some Pentecostal and evangelical churches: Groups like certain Assemblies of God congregations have historically used "Jehovah" in worship songs (e.g., "Jehovah Jireh," "Jehovah Nissi") and teaching, while fully affirming the Trinity.

InHymns and worship: Trinitarian Christians across denominations (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.) have sung hymns containing "Jehovah" for centuries, such as "Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah."
 
And Jesus has the same identity , banes, titles and descriptions as YHWH. Like Father like Son:)
Jesus is never called Almighty God. And tell us then why Jesus' God and Father had to give him authority? Give him the judging? Give him the name above other names? Give him a kingship? He is never called YHWH( YHVH)
 
God is a singular entity, not a singular person. God is a type of being, and one of its characteristics is being personal/relational in nature. Intelligence, creativity, and rationality are other aspects of the nature of being God, just as they are of being human.


Human is a type of being, canine is a type of being, feline is a type of being. But the separation between being human and being God is the scope of these characteristics. God is eternal and infinite in His being, but all others are created and finite in nature of being.

God, being eternal, has always been personal and relational and can only function as such with another of his same type in an eternity past scenario. Whoever is eternal in nature of being is necessarily God in nature of being. Singular type of nature, and whoever possesses this nature is an individual expression of that type of nature of being.



Doug
The bible answers you clearly-Gen 1:27--HE( not we or us) created.
 
Only to the Jehovah Witnesses.....

There are several Trinitarian Christian groups and denominations do use (or have used) the name "Jehovah" to refer to God, even though this is far more characteristic of Jehovah's Witnesses (who are non-Trinitarian and emphasize it as God's exclusive personal name).

The form "Jehovah" is an older English vocalization of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton (YHWH/YHVH), which appears thousands of times in the Old Testament. Most mainstream Trinitarian Christians prefer "Yahweh" in scholarly contexts or simply "LORD" (following Jewish tradition of not pronouncing the name), but "Jehovah" still appears in various Trinitarian settings:

In Older Bible translations used by Trinitarians: The King James Version (1611) renders it as "Jehovah" in a few places (e.g., Psalm 83:18, Exodus 6:3). Many historic Protestant Trinitarian churches used these Bibles and thus referred to God as Jehovah in hymns, prayers, and writings.

In Trinitarian Bible Society: This organization (explicitly Trinitarian) strongly defends "Jehovah" as a valid and accurate form of God's name, promoting its use in their literature and Bible editions.

In Some Pentecostal and evangelical churches: Groups like certain Assemblies of God congregations have historically used "Jehovah" in worship songs (e.g., "Jehovah Jireh," "Jehovah Nissi") and teaching, while fully affirming the Trinity.

InHymns and worship: Trinitarian Christians across denominations (Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.) have sung hymns containing "Jehovah" for centuries, such as "Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah."
How do you get by these facts? From Moses on up until this very minute, the Israelite religion teaches, serves and worships a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--Thus when Jesus and EVERY bible writer attended those places of worship were taught that God as well.
Yes that name is used, but they twist it into saying Jesus is Jehovah. There are unitarian religions besides the JW,s. Yes some bibles have Gods name in possibly 8 spots. Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) has his name in over 7000 spots. Whose will do you think Jesus would support on that important matter?
 
The bible answers you clearly-Gen 1:27--HE( not we or us) created.
John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made

So either The Word is the “he” of Gen 1:27, or there was a plurality of persons involved in the creation process. Take your pick! (Not to mention that the Holy Spirit was there as well.)

Doug
 
Jesus is never called Almighty God. And tell us then why Jesus' God and Father had to give him authority? Give him the judging? Give him the name above other names? Give him a kingship? He is never called YHWH( YHVH)
 
Jesus is never called Almighty God. And tell us then why Jesus' God and Father had to give him authority? Give him the judging? Give him the name above other names? Give him a kingship? He is never called YHWH( YHVH)
@Keiw1

I am going to try and explain this to you in simple terms for understanding. I just spent about an hour and 25 minutes replying to @Peterlag about something and so I shall take my time here. And looking at the clock it has been 1 hour and 23 min so grab some coffee as this will take you a while.

Starting with your "And tell us then why Jesus' God and Father had to give him authority?"

Time and again you have had it mentioned to you (as have others) about Jesus emptying himself. I do not think you know what that was, or why it was needed, or what it meant to him

So I am starting by mentioning that when Jesus was on earth, after the Word became human in Mary and Jesus was born
he had to give us, for a period, certain thing and rely on his Heavenly Father that when he was in heaven with Him that was not needed.

Philippians 2 says: “Although He existed in the form of God, He did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant…”

That is called Kenosis =“emptied Himself .” It does not mean Jesus stopped being God.

It means He voluntarily laid aside the privileges, status, and visible glory of deity in order to live a genuinely human life under the Law.

Consider this Important distinction:

Nature = what He is

Role/Function = how He acts

Jesus emptied Himself functionally, not ontologically.


Here are some scriptures on what Jesus is called

God ~John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

YHWH texts applied to Him

Isaiah 40:3 ("Prepare the way for YHWH")... Mark 1:3; Matthew 3:3; Luke 3:4... .John the Baptist prepares the way for Jesus, identifying him as the coming YHWH.

Joel 2:32 ("Whoever calls on the name of YHWH will be saved")..... Romans 10:13; Acts 2:21....
Paul and Peter apply this to calling on Jesus for salvation. Romans 10:9 links "Jesus is Lord" directly to this quote.

Isaiah 45:23 ("To me [YHWH] every knee will bow, every tongue swear") Philippians 2:10-11 Every knee bows and tongue confesses that "Jesus Christ is Lord" (kyrios, equivalent to YHWH in Greek Septuagint).

Psalm 102:25-27 (Prayer to YHWH as creator, eternal) Hebrews 1:10-12 Directly addressed to the Son (Jesus) as the unchanging creator.

Isaiah 6:1-10 (Isaiah sees YHWH's glory) John 12:41
John states Isaiah saw Jesus' glory.

Isaiah 8:13-14 (Sanctify YHWH as Lord; he is a stone of stumbling) 1 Peter 3:14-15; 2:8 also see Romans 9:33
Peter applies sanctifying "Christ as Lord" and the stumbling stone to Jesus.


“Almighty” (pantokratōr) is usually used of God as ruler, not as a test of deity.

The New Testament instead emphasizes shared divine identity, not shared titles.

No verse says , “Only the Father is Almighty because only the Father is God.”


Everyone in the Trinity has a specific or distinctive role.

Look at Matt 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

This refers to Jesus as the incarnate Son, not the eternal Word.


As God: He has authority inherently

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.

As incarnate Messiah: He receives authority as the Second Adam, the representative human king

Daniel 7:13-14 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.

A little trivia...

The figure is described as "one like a son of man" (Aramaic: bar enash), emphasizing humanity ("son of man" = human being) in contrast to the beast-like empires.

This human-like figure approaches the Ancient of Days (God the Father) and receives universal, everlasting authority, dominion, glory, and a kingdom.

Christian theology (echoed in the New Testament) sees this as Jesus' exaltation/ascension, where He, as the incarnate God-man, receives all authority in His humanity (Matthew 28:18; Philippians 2:9–11; Acts 2:33–36).

It restores the dominion Adam lost: Humanity was created to rule creation as God's image (Genesis 1:26–28; Psalm 8:4–8), but sin forfeited it. Jesus, the "last Adam" or Second Adam, perfectly obeys, dies, rises, and is exalted to reclaim and exceed that representative human kingship on behalf of redeemed humanity.

And your good to know moment is...Jesus repeatedly applied this "Son of Man" title to Himself (over 80 times in the Gospels), linking His authority, suffering, resurrection, and future reign directly to Daniel 7 (e.g., Mark 14:62; Matthew 26:64).


So now we know that (John 5:22)“For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

And why would this be?

Because He is the Son of Man” (John 5:27) and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

Judgment is entrusted to Him as the qualified human mediator, not because He lacks deity. If judgment requires being God, this verse actually supports Jesus’ deity — not denies it.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND TGHIS?

The “name” is not “Jesus” He already had that. That was assigned to Him before His conception,

Paul is quoting Isaiah 45:23, where YHWH says:

To Me every knee shall bow…”

Paul applies that passage directly to Jesus.



So the Father “gives” Jesus:

the public exaltation and the universal acknowledgment of the divine name and honor

That’s not demotion , that IS vindication.



“God made Him both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36)

Again , as Messiah, not as eternal Logos. Messiahship is an office, not a nature.


Jesus reigns....... eternally as God and historically as the risen human king

Both are true at the same time.




Assumption says “If someone receives authority, they cannot be God.”


But Scripture never teaches that.

Instead, Scripture teaches:


The Father sends, The Son obeys, The Spirit empowers

This is relational order, not inequality of being.

IOW

Jesus receives authority because He became man

Jesus submits because He took the servant role

Jesus is exalted because He humbled Himself


None of that means He is not God.

It means God entered His own creation without ceasing to be God.
 
How do you get by these facts? From Moses on up until this very minute, the Israelite religion teaches, serves and worships a single being God=YHVH(Jehovah)--Thus when Jesus and EVERY bible writer attended those places of worship were taught that God as well.
Yes that name is used, but they twist it into saying Jesus is Jehovah. There are unitarian religions besides the JW,s. Yes some bibles have Gods name in possibly 8 spots. Jesus' Fathers will( Matt 7:21) has his name in over 7000 spots. Whose will do you think Jesus would support on that important matter?
You said " Jehovah is a single being God, Thus its very relevant."

I did a search ... I specifically do bot remember where that came from but in trying to retrace my steps I checked out Grok who says this. I use so many sources and may not always cite them such as Got Questions or if I pull from Ai... not a candp but use for my own formulations....

They are not made up and each point can individually be researched if you doubt... but this subject matter has been worn thin

You need some new material.




No, that text doesn't appear to be directly adapted from me—I've never generated or shared that exact phrasing in our conversations. It looks like your own well-researched summary (or possibly drawn from common sources on the topic).

That said, your points are largely accurate and balanced:

  • The form "Jehovah" is a historical English vocalization of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), appearing in older translations like the King James Version (7 times total, including Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4, plus compound forms).
  • Historic Protestant (Trinitarian) churches used the KJV extensively, so "Jehovah" appeared in their readings, prayers, and writings for centuries.
  • The famous hymn "Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah" (by William Williams, 1745, English translation by Peter Williams, 1771) has been sung widely in Trinitarian denominations (Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, etc.) for hundreds of years—often with the tune Cwm Rhondda.
  • Compound names like "Jehovah Jireh" (The Lord Will Provide) and "Jehovah Nissi" (The Lord My Banner) are commonly used in Pentecostal, evangelical, and charismatic circles in teaching, songs (e.g., "Jehovah Jireh, my provider"), and worship, all while affirming the Trinity.
  • The Trinitarian Bible Society (explicitly Trinitarian, founded in 1831 to defend the doctrine against Unitarian influences) actively defends "Jehovah" as a valid form of the divine name and uses it in their materials.
While no major Trinitarian denomination today makes "Jehovah" God's exclusive personal name in the way Jehovah's Witnesses do (most prefer "Yahweh" in academic contexts or simply "LORD"/"God"), its use in hymns, titles, and historical contexts is indeed widespread among Trinitarians. Your text captures that nuance well—it's not "only" Jehovah's Witnesses, but they are the ones who emphasize it most distinctly.
 
John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made

So either The Word is the “he” of Gen 1:27, or there was a plurality of persons involved in the creation process. Take your pick! (Not to mention that the Holy Spirit was there as well.)

Doug
See the words THROUGH--In English that means another did it-through, him.
 
Its
@Keiw1

I am going to try and explain this to you in simple terms for understanding. I just spent about an hour and 25 minutes replying to @Peterlag about something and so I shall take my time here. And looking at the clock it has been 1 hour and 23 min so grab some coffee as this will take you a while.

Starting with your "And tell us then why Jesus' God and Father had to give him authority?"

Time and again you have had it mentioned to you (as have others) about Jesus emptying himself. I do not think you know what that was, or why it was needed, or what it meant to him

So I am starting by mentioning that when Jesus was on earth, after the Word became human in Mary and Jesus was born
he had to give us, for a period, certain thing and rely on his Heavenly Father that when he was in heaven with Him that was not needed.

Philippians 2 says: “Although He existed in the form of God, He did not regard equality with God as something to be exploited, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant…”

That is called Kenosis =“emptied Himself .” It does not mean Jesus stopped being God.

It means He voluntarily laid aside the privileges, status, and visible glory of deity in order to live a genuinely human life under the Law.

Consider this Important distinction:

Nature = what He is

Role/Function = how He acts

Jesus emptied Himself functionally, not ontologically.


Here are some scriptures on what Jesus is called

God ~John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 20:28 Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son He says, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

YHWH texts applied to Him

Isaiah 40:3 ("Prepare the way for YHWH")... Mark 1:3; Matthew 3:3; Luke 3:4... .John the Baptist prepares the way for Jesus, identifying him as the coming YHWH.

Joel 2:32 ("Whoever calls on the name of YHWH will be saved")..... Romans 10:13; Acts 2:21....
Paul and Peter apply this to calling on Jesus for salvation. Romans 10:9 links "Jesus is Lord" directly to this quote.

Isaiah 45:23 ("To me [YHWH] every knee will bow, every tongue swear") Philippians 2:10-11 Every knee bows and tongue confesses that "Jesus Christ is Lord" (kyrios, equivalent to YHWH in Greek Septuagint).

Psalm 102:25-27 (Prayer to YHWH as creator, eternal) Hebrews 1:10-12 Directly addressed to the Son (Jesus) as the unchanging creator.

Isaiah 6:1-10 (Isaiah sees YHWH's glory) John 12:41
John states Isaiah saw Jesus' glory.

Isaiah 8:13-14 (Sanctify YHWH as Lord; he is a stone of stumbling) 1 Peter 3:14-15; 2:8 also see Romans 9:33
Peter applies sanctifying "Christ as Lord" and the stumbling stone to Jesus.


“Almighty” (pantokratōr) is usually used of God as ruler, not as a test of deity.

The New Testament instead emphasizes shared divine identity, not shared titles.

No verse says , “Only the Father is Almighty because only the Father is God.”


Everyone in the Trinity has a specific or distinctive role.

Look at Matt 28:18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth."

This refers to Jesus as the incarnate Son, not the eternal Word.


As God: He has authority inherently

John 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.

As incarnate Messiah: He receives authority as the Second Adam, the representative human king

Daniel 7:13-14 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him. 14 “I kept looking in the night visions, And behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, And He came up to the Ancient of Days And was presented before Him.

A little trivia...

The figure is described as "one like a son of man" (Aramaic: bar enash), emphasizing humanity ("son of man" = human being) in contrast to the beast-like empires.

This human-like figure approaches the Ancient of Days (God the Father) and receives universal, everlasting authority, dominion, glory, and a kingdom.

Christian theology (echoed in the New Testament) sees this as Jesus' exaltation/ascension, where He, as the incarnate God-man, receives all authority in His humanity (Matthew 28:18; Philippians 2:9–11; Acts 2:33–36).

It restores the dominion Adam lost: Humanity was created to rule creation as God's image (Genesis 1:26–28; Psalm 8:4–8), but sin forfeited it. Jesus, the "last Adam" or Second Adam, perfectly obeys, dies, rises, and is exalted to reclaim and exceed that representative human kingship on behalf of redeemed humanity.

And your good to know moment is...Jesus repeatedly applied this "Son of Man" title to Himself (over 80 times in the Gospels), linking His authority, suffering, resurrection, and future reign directly to Daniel 7 (e.g., Mark 14:62; Matthew 26:64).


So now we know that (John 5:22)“For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,

And why would this be?

Because He is the Son of Man” (John 5:27) and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

Judgment is entrusted to Him as the qualified human mediator, not because He lacks deity. If judgment requires being God, this verse actually supports Jesus’ deity — not denies it.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND TGHIS?

The “name” is not “Jesus” He already had that. That was assigned to Him before His conception,

Paul is quoting Isaiah 45:23, where YHWH says:

To Me every knee shall bow…”

Paul applies that passage directly to Jesus.



So the Father “gives” Jesus:

the public exaltation and the universal acknowledgment of the divine name and honor

That’s not demotion , that IS vindication.



“God made Him both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36)

Again , as Messiah, not as eternal Logos. Messiahship is an office, not a nature.


Jesus reigns....... eternally as God and historically as the risen human king

Both are true at the same time.




Assumption says “If someone receives authority, they cannot be God.”


But Scripture never teaches that.

Instead, Scripture teaches:


The Father sends, The Son obeys, The Spirit empowers

This is relational order, not inequality of being.

IOW

Jesus receives authority because He became man

Jesus submits because He took the servant role

Jesus is exalted because He humbled Himself


None of that means He is not God.

It means God entered His own creation without ceasing to be God.
Jesus was never God. He was added to the godhead in 325 ce at the Council of Nicea, then in 381 ce at the Council of Constantinople the holy spirit was added to a godhead for the first time ever= recorded history facts.
 
You said " Jehovah is a single being God, Thus its very relevant."

I did a search ... I specifically do bot remember where that came from but in trying to retrace my steps I checked out Grok who says this. I use so many sources and may not always cite them such as Got Questions or if I pull from Ai... not a candp but use for my own formulations....

They are not made up and each point can individually be researched if you doubt... but this subject matter has been worn thin

You need some new material.




No, that text doesn't appear to be directly adapted from me—I've never generated or shared that exact phrasing in our conversations. It looks like your own well-researched summary (or possibly drawn from common sources on the topic).

That said, your points are largely accurate and balanced:

  • The form "Jehovah" is a historical English vocalization of the Tetragrammaton (YHWH), appearing in older translations like the King James Version (7 times total, including Exodus 6:3, Psalm 83:18, Isaiah 12:2, and Isaiah 26:4, plus compound forms).
  • Historic Protestant (Trinitarian) churches used the KJV extensively, so "Jehovah" appeared in their readings, prayers, and writings for centuries.
  • The famous hymn "Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah" (by William Williams, 1745, English translation by Peter Williams, 1771) has been sung widely in Trinitarian denominations (Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Anglican, etc.) for hundreds of years—often with the tune Cwm Rhondda.
  • Compound names like "Jehovah Jireh" (The Lord Will Provide) and "Jehovah Nissi" (The Lord My Banner) are commonly used in Pentecostal, evangelical, and charismatic circles in teaching, songs (e.g., "Jehovah Jireh, my provider"), and worship, all while affirming the Trinity.
  • The Trinitarian Bible Society (explicitly Trinitarian, founded in 1831 to defend the doctrine against Unitarian influences) actively defends "Jehovah" as a valid form of the divine name and uses it in their materials.
While no major Trinitarian denomination today makes "Jehovah" God's exclusive personal name in the way Jehovah's Witnesses do (most prefer "Yahweh" in academic contexts or simply "LORD"/"God"), its use in hymns, titles, and historical contexts is indeed widespread among Trinitarians. Your text captures that nuance well—it's not "only" Jehovah's Witnesses, but they are the ones who emphasize it most distinctly.
The world will know Jehovah. He promised it in Ezekial about 20x--They will have to know i am Jehovah.
Yes we run to the name Jehovah, its a strong tower, we praise that name, call on that name, share that name, etc.
 
Free in Christ---- No predestination like you think it is. God just knew some would stand for him. Its those he spoke of. John 3:16-Everyone exercising faith in Jesus has a chance. This system of things would be senseless if things were predestined as you think-ALL have free will. Jesus would have suffered and died like that for nothing if things were predestined as you think and are taught.
 
See the words THROUGH--In English that means another did it-through, him.
In Greek, which again is the only meaning that matters, dia in John 1:3 is “through” in the sense of the Word is “the means by which” all things were made, which is re-emphasized by “and without him nothing that has been made was made.

It doesn’t mean another did it through him, it means the Word is the means of creation being created.

Learn Greek, my friend! It is the language that counts in the NT!


Doug
 
See the words THROUGH--In English that means another did it-through, him.

In the beginning was God Yahweh, The Word, ... And the Holy Spirit was also there.... He actually was first mentioned in the creation account.

The "Word" is often interpreted as God's means of creation, where God speaks and things come into existence, such as when He says, "Let there be light." This concept is further explored in the New Testament, particularly in John 1, where the Word is identified with Jesus, emphasizing His role in creation.

Understanding the Word in Genesis 1​

The Concept of the Word​

In Genesis 1, the act of creation is described through God's spoken commands. The phrase "And God said" appears multiple times, indicating that creation occurred through God's voice. This aligns with the idea that God's Word is powerful and effective in bringing forth creation.

The Relationship to John 1​

The Gospel of John begins with a similar phrase: "In the beginning was the Word." This establishes a connection between the Word and God, suggesting that the Word was present during creation. John 1:3 states, "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." This implies that the Word, identified as Jesus, played a crucial role in the creation process.

While Genesis 1 does not explicitly refer to the Word as a distinct entity, the narrative emphasizes that God's voice commanded creation. The connection to John 1 suggests that the Word represents God's creative power, reinforcing the idea that God's voice was instrumental in the act of creation.
 
Its

Jesus was never God. He was added to the godhead in 325 ce at the Council of Nicea, then in 381 ce at the Council of Constantinople the holy spirit was added to a godhead for the first time ever= recorded history facts.
The Word was God and the Word was Jesus = Jesus is God
 
In Greek, which again is the only meaning that matters, dia in John 1:3 is “through” in the sense of the Word is “the means by which” all things were made, which is re-emphasized by “and without him nothing that has been made was made.

It doesn’t mean another did it through him, it means the Word is the means of creation being created.

Learn Greek, my friend! It is the language that counts in the NT!


Doug
Trinitarians lie about meanings to fit their false teachings. They have mislead billions.
 
Trinitarians lie about meanings to fit their false teachings. They have mislead billions.
I don’t see any academic support for this accusation, nor do I see any citations from any credible sources that say otherwise. Lexicons do not lie! The rules of grammar and syntax are non-biased. They make the playing field level for debate.

Those who have never studied the language have no clue what they are talking about. Those who have and yet disagree with me, I can respectfully decline their opinions and arguments; but those who refuse to study the very foundations of the system of thought called theology gain no ground for respect if they don’t know the basics of the issue.

Show me where and why my definition is wrong, don’t just demonstrate your bravado and make empty claims of my falsehood.

Doug
 
I don’t see any academic support for this accusation, nor do I see any citations from any credible sources that say otherwise. Lexicons do not lie! The rules of grammar and syntax are non-biased. They make the playing field level for debate.

Those who have never studied the language have no clue what they are talking about. Those who have and yet disagree with me, I can respectfully decline their opinions and arguments; but those who refuse to study the very foundations of the system of thought called theology gain no ground for respect if they don’t know the basics of the issue.

Show me where and why my definition is wrong, don’t just demonstrate your bravado and make empty claims of my falsehood.

Doug
Are you joking--- Everything the trinities brought in as truth has been debated for centuries. I have shared many bible truths with you. You reject them over dogma.
 
Are you joking--- Everything the trinities brought in as truth has been debated for centuries. I have shared many bible truths with you. You reject them over dogma.
The fact that it has been debated is irrelevant; you can’t argue from the Greek because you’ve never taken Greek, and cannot understand Greek syntax.

I am no Greek scholar, but I’ve taken Greek as a part of my training, and have studied it for over 40 years since I’ve studied it formally.

You cannot substantiate what you argue from the very language of scripture: why do you believe in the which cannot be demonstrated by scripture?

My argument is with you in present time not 1800 years ago; it is about your arguments not agreeing with the language of scripture.

May the Lord give you wisdom and understanding in 2026 and a Happy New Year!


Doug
 
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