Peterlag
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I'm not failing. I'm answering the questions. You just are not accepting my data so you say I'm not answering. The Logos translated Word is an it. The spirit is an it. The Holy Spirit is what God is. Not another God.
Who is Jesus?
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You cannot address the personally of the word by addressing the Spirit. You have posted nothing by way of proof to support your claim The Word is not personal
Peterlag
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I would comment if I understood what you said. But I don't. I admit when I don't understand someone. What you do when you don't understand is say the person did not answer.
Whoa. It seems Peterlag has some unusual or narrow concept of godhood here. It is even weird that he has used the capitalized word when say "Not another God." And certainly there is no Christian concept of "another god" in play here. The problem then is that Peterlag has some concept of godhood that precludes God existing as a plurality, as if that is contrary to being God. At the heart of the discussion is discovering who God is, not of excluding concepts that are not regularly seen among people
Peterlag also has the problem realizing that Greek translation does involve using "he" even if that is not explicit in the Greek. What even is his interpretation of John 1 if the chapter is not talking about Christ Jesus, who is the topic of the whole letter?
synergy
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He will parrot the Judaizing Unitarian view as usual, anything but Jesus Christ. Judaizers come in all shapes, sizes, and denominations.
How is it a Judaizing view? I suppose in part that he has said a mere man lived so perfectly that God raised Jesus to a higher pay grade than when Jesus was living. So this concept could imply that works place someone into better status with God.
Certainly the concern with his concept of Christ Jesus is that Peterlag has other doctrines severely contrasting with Christianity.
synergy
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Jews were the first to disbelieve that Jesus is God. That heresy was adopted by Arians across religions and denominations: Islam, JWs, etc...
If Peterlag is called an Arianist, it might be generous. we do have to recognize we only hear about Arian's views through the writings rejecting it. But one view of Arianists is that Christ was the first created being, so in Christ all other things were created. Peterlag's view is that nothing existed of Jesus until he was born. The view of many Arianists then is that Jesus was adopted into divinity {Gonzalez, A History of Christian Thought, 264). But Peterlag may not even accept that detail.
synergy
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Peterlag said the following:
"Getting up from the dead and being the first to do so having been the Messiah, the son of God would definitely put someone in the category of being divine."
Peterlag certainly sounds like an Arian to me.
civic
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Arian is synonymous with Unitarian as far as belief in who God is concerned.
synergy
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and Arianism & Unitarianism have their roots in Judaizers "as far as belief in who God is concerned".
What's not to understand?
The issue is the personality of the word
John 1:1–5 (NASB 2020) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5 And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.
You instead speak of the Holy Spirit.
Peterlag
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It's the same thing both holy spirit and the word. It's an it. You quote being through Him. The Word is logos and that's an it.
Complete
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'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)
Hello @Peterlag,
Don't you see how disrespectful it is to refer to The Holy Spirit in this way? An 'it' cannot be grieved. It is the Holy Spirit of God that you are referring to, please be mindful of that.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking,
be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)
Hello @Peterlag,
Don't you see how disrespectful it is to refer to The Holy Spirit in this way? An 'it' cannot be grieved. It is the Holy Spirit of God that you are referring to, please be mindful of that.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
101G
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ERROR, the Holy Spirit and the Word is the Person JESUS. is not the Holy Spirit the Intercessor? well let's see who, yes, WHO he is. 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"
the Greek term "advocate",
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822
now, Pete, who is the Comforter? answer the Lord Jesus. and is not the Holy Spirit OUR intercessor? who is the Lord Jesus, let's see Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God." he?...... he? yes, he, and now the "he" revealed. Romans 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us."
my God this is right in front of one's eyes.
101G
Peterlag
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Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
Peterlag
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Almost every English version translates John 14:17 similarly to “even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.” Translators capitalize “Spirit” and use “he” and “him” because of their theology. The Greek word “spirit” is neuter and the text could also be translated as “the spirit of truth” and paired with “which” and“ it.” The New American Bible reads “which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it.” Capitalizing the “H” and“S” and using the English pronoun “He” is appropriate when God is being referred to as “the Holy Spirit.” However, when we see the “h” and “s” having the lower case such as "the holy spirit" and all the pronouns referring to that spirit being impersonal such as “it” and “which” is when the subject under discussion is the gift of God’s nature.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
First you ERROR and here's why. the Holy Spirit is the Lord Jesus, listen and learn. 1 Peter 1:10 "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:" 1 Peter 1:11 "Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
Where was and who is the Spirit? yes, chaptalized, yes, the Lord Jesus before he had flesh, bone and blood. Pete do you understand the scriptures here?
and please don't come with the excuse, "Almost every English version translates", that want work anymore, Not as if it did before. you're in a delusion that the word of God is only correct by your translation. which is dangerous. so try again.
101G
Peterlag
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I already commented on 1 Peter 1:11. Here it is again...
“the spirit of Christ.” This verse uses the phrase “spirit of Christ” because God revealed information about the Christ to believers via the gift of holy spirit. Unfortunately, some people have misunderstood the phrase and think it means Christ himself was present in the Old Testament, but he was not. In the first place, the phrase “spirit of Christ” never appears in the Old Testament. The “spirit of the Lord” or “the spirit of God” appears over and over, but never the “spirit of Christ.” If Jesus were alive during the Old Testament, we would expect to see that designation, but we do not.
The gift of holy spirit that God gave in the Old Testament and Gospels was always the same spirit, but it was referred to by different names depending on the context. We are used to this when it comes to God. There is only one God, but He has many different names and titles. Similarly, there is only one gift of holy spirit, but it is referred to by different names in different contexts. When it is associated with wisdom, it is called the “spirit of wisdom” (Exod. 28:3; Deut. 34:9; Eph. 1:17). When it is associated with grace, it is called the “spirit of grace” (Zech. 12:10; Heb. 10:29). When it is related to glory, it is called the “spirit of glory” (1 Pet. 4:14). It is called the “spirit of adoption” when it is associated with our everlasting life (Rom. 8:15, which is translated as “spirit of sonship” in some versions). It is called “the spirit of truth” when it is associated with the truth we learn by revelation (John 14:17; 16:13). When it came with the same power as it brought to Elijah, it was called “the spirit of Elijah” (2 Kings 2:15). These are not different spirits. All the names refer to the one gift of holy spirit that God gives.
When Peter mentions that “the spirit of Christ” was upon prophets as they “predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glory that would follow,” it is easy to see that the spirit is called the “spirit of Christ” because it is associated with Christ, foretold of Christ, and was the same holy spirit as Jesus himself received at his baptism, not because Christ was actually alive during the Old Testament. Thus, the genitive phrase, “the spirit of Christ” is a genitive of relation; the spirit that is related to Christ.b
101G
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He, Jesus is the Holy Spirit, 101G have revealed that information concerning him, Jesus as the advocate, see post 281 again. and scripture confirm this again 1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ." and God is the ROCK. Psalms 18:2 "The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower."
case closed, you can try again, but to no effect.
101G.
