praise_yeshua
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I don't think many Protestants actually know when they "passed from death to life". Maybe it happened when they were younger and those memories have faded away. I'm not setting a requirement that you must "remember" what happened.
However, for many people, the "event" takes place well within their memory. (Though age and disease may make us forget). At every level, even redemption is bound within this weak body we possess.
I'd like ask those here that "remember the event".... when it happened and how it happened.
I'm going use an example that is well known within theology.
Martin Luther..... ( No, I'm not a Lutheran. I'm just a Christian).
Not matter if you accept his theology or not, I believe Luther experienced God in "passing from death to life". It was real to him. An event that changed him forever. So you have a baptised and practicing Catholic experiencing God in newness of life. (Luther was ordained in the priest order of the Roman Catholic church in 1507.)
So you have a former Catholic that believes in baptismal regeneration claiming that he was "born again" much later.
Now fast forward to Sam Shamoun. ( I have an open invitation to discuss this with Sam. Hopefully he might see this ).
I'd like to ask Sam when he "passed from death to life". I believe it is important know when this happened (if you can remember). I believe the event is profound and a monumental experience. Sam talks of his journey into Roman Catholicism (which he doesn't reject early church Orthodoxy among several "branches" of Orthodoxy). However, he now believes in baptismal regeneration. I'd like for him to deal with this. I'd like to understand when he "passed from death unto life". I'd like to know if he thinks he was wrong about the event that he once recognized happened to him.
To be clear, I'm not Protestant and I'm not Roman Catholic. I believe the choice is a silly one to make. Both are wrong to one degree or another. Just because I believe Luther didn't lie about his experience doesn't make me one of his disciples.
Theses are issues that most "Christians" avoid. They shouldn't avoid this. This subject will help mankind. They "hear" the debates. They see conflict, there is no reason to avoid the conflict. It is necessary that others might change.
So join the conversation. When did you "pass from death to life"? Please explain.
I remember exactly when it happened. I was 16/17 years in a local church to my area. It profoundly changed my life. It was such a "earth shattering event" that I have never been the same "though I have certainly acted the same at times". It was supernatural. Emotional. Profoundly troubling and difficult with one the greatest feelings of newness of life that I've ever known.
Joh 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
However, for many people, the "event" takes place well within their memory. (Though age and disease may make us forget). At every level, even redemption is bound within this weak body we possess.
I'd like ask those here that "remember the event".... when it happened and how it happened.
I'm going use an example that is well known within theology.
Martin Luther..... ( No, I'm not a Lutheran. I'm just a Christian).
Not matter if you accept his theology or not, I believe Luther experienced God in "passing from death to life". It was real to him. An event that changed him forever. So you have a baptised and practicing Catholic experiencing God in newness of life. (Luther was ordained in the priest order of the Roman Catholic church in 1507.)
So you have a former Catholic that believes in baptismal regeneration claiming that he was "born again" much later.
Now fast forward to Sam Shamoun. ( I have an open invitation to discuss this with Sam. Hopefully he might see this ).
I'd like to ask Sam when he "passed from death to life". I believe it is important know when this happened (if you can remember). I believe the event is profound and a monumental experience. Sam talks of his journey into Roman Catholicism (which he doesn't reject early church Orthodoxy among several "branches" of Orthodoxy). However, he now believes in baptismal regeneration. I'd like for him to deal with this. I'd like to understand when he "passed from death unto life". I'd like to know if he thinks he was wrong about the event that he once recognized happened to him.
To be clear, I'm not Protestant and I'm not Roman Catholic. I believe the choice is a silly one to make. Both are wrong to one degree or another. Just because I believe Luther didn't lie about his experience doesn't make me one of his disciples.
Theses are issues that most "Christians" avoid. They shouldn't avoid this. This subject will help mankind. They "hear" the debates. They see conflict, there is no reason to avoid the conflict. It is necessary that others might change.
So join the conversation. When did you "pass from death to life"? Please explain.
I remember exactly when it happened. I was 16/17 years in a local church to my area. It profoundly changed my life. It was such a "earth shattering event" that I have never been the same "though I have certainly acted the same at times". It was supernatural. Emotional. Profoundly troubling and difficult with one the greatest feelings of newness of life that I've ever known.
Joh 16:21 A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
