What's Wrong with Calvinism?

[TomL]

It has nothing to do with it. Im not taking time for you on that. Paul wrote that many be dead by Adams fall Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

You are running from scripture, for it is contrary to your theology

Paul indicates he was alive, and then he died as a result of sin.

How can that be if he was born spiritually dead?

Over and over you have ignored multiple verses because of your interpretation of certain verses,

that can never stand up when all scripture is examined.

 

[brightfame52]

You are running from scripture, for it is contrary to your theology

Paul indicates he was alive, and then he died as a result of sin.

How can that be if he was born spiritually dead?

Over and over you have ignored multiple verses because of your interpretation of certain verses,

that can never stand up when all scripture is examined.

Man by nature is dead Spiritually, alienated from God

 

[TomL]

Man by nature is dead Spiritually, alienated from God

You are running from scripture, for it is contrary to your theology

Paul indicates he was alive, and then he died as a result of sin.

How can that be if he was born spiritually dead?

Over and over you have ignored multiple verses because of your interpretation of certain verses,

that can never stand up when all scripture is examined.

 

[brightfame52]

You are running from scripture, for it is contrary to your theology

You don't believe scripture teach man is dead Spiritually by nature

 

[TomL]

You don't believe scripture teach man is dead Spiritually by nature

Wrong you just do not understand spiritually death

Spiritual death is fundamentally the separation of the soul from God12. The unsaved live in this state of spiritual death, which represents the ultimate expression of the soul’s alienation from God3. This concept originated with Adam, who “died” spiritually through his disobedience, not through immediate physical death, but through exclusion from the garden1. Sin envelops the sinner in a demanding dependency and is characterized by rebellion, which can manifest as testing or hostility toward God3. While the sinner is spiritually dead and separated from God’s normal sphere, spiritual life is defined by union with God, and eternal life primarily means connection with God rather than just endless existence2. For unbelievers, this ultimately results in eternal separation from God, described as the “second death”4.
1
Guy P. Duffield and Nathaniel M. Van Cleave, Foundations of Pentecostal Theology (Los Angeles, CA: L.I.F.E. Bible College, 1983), 514.
2
Russell R. Byrum, Christian Theology (James L. Fleming, 2005), 602–603.
3
Bruce R. Marino, “The Origin, Nature, and Consequences of Sin,” in Systematic Theology: Revised Edition, ed. Stanley M. Horton (Springfield, MO: Logion Press, 2007), 288.
4
William W. Menzies, Bible Doctrines: A Pentecostal Perspective, ed. Stanley M. Horton (Springfield, MO: Logion Press, 1993), 243–244.

 

[brightfame52]

Wrong you just do not understand spiritually death

Obviously you don't, man is dead Spiritually alienated from God

 

[praise_yeshua]

Obviously you don't, man is dead Spiritually alienated from God

Your belief requires you consider yourself in the same condition.

A "living soul" proves otherwise.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[brightfame52]

Your belief requires you consider yourself in the same condition.

All men sinned and died in Adams Transgression, no exceptions

 

[civic]

All men sinned and died in Adams Transgression, no exceptions

Nope not Enoch, Elijah and all believers alive at Christs Coming

Next fallacy

 

[TedT]

Man by nature is dead Spiritually, alienated from God

By nature means he was created that way with that nature...only a very depraved theology insists that holiness, loving righteousness and perfect justice would create anyone siritually dead and alienated from HIM.

Spiritual death and alienation from HIM can only come about by a free will decision to rebel against HIM.

 

[brightfame52]

Nope not Enoch, Elijah and all believers alive at Christs Coming

You are confused. All men died spiritually to God in Adams transgression. I already told you some will be alive Physically when Christ comes, having not died physically. Scripture confirms that

 

[brightfame52]

By nature means he was created that way with that nature.

At Creation Man Adam was alive to God and in fellowship, its when he sinned, he died to the aliveness and fellowship with God. First thing he did was hide from God after sinning.

 

[Angelo]

At Creation Man Adam was alive to God and in fellowship, its when he sinned, he died to the aliveness and fellowship with God. First thing he did was hide from God after sinning.

Those who lived prior to Jesus’ death and resurrection looked forward to the fulfillment of God's promise of salvation, and those who live after the cross look back on it. In either case, a person is justified before God by His grace through faith (Romans 4:1–5; Galatians 3:5–9; Ephesians 2:8–10; Hebrews 11:6, 39–40).

This justification before God by grace through faith is most often what people mean when talking about others being "saved." Though Adam and Eve were not "saved" in the same way we are today, the Bible gives enough evidence that they were redeemed by God and now rest in His eternal presence.

Were Adam and Eve Saved? - Compelling Truth

Adam and Eve were saved based on their faith in God and His promise of salvation.

www.compellingtruth.org

 

[civic]

You are confused. All men died spiritually to God in Adams transgression. I already told you some will be alive Physically when Christ comes, having not died physically. Scripture confirms that

The Bible never says all men die spiritually you made that up

 

[brightfame52]

Those who lived prior to Jesus’ death and resurrection looked forward to the fulfillment of God's promise of salvation, and those who live after the cross look back on it. In either case, a person is justified before God by His grace through faith (Romans 4:1–5; Galatians 3:5–9; Ephesians 2:8–10; Hebrews 11:6, 39–40).

This justification before God by grace through faith is most often what people mean when talking about others being "saved." Though Adam and Eve were not "saved" in the same way we are today, the Bible gives enough evidence that they were redeemed by God and now rest in His eternal presence.

Okay but it baffles me why you posted this

 

[brightfame52]

The Bible never says all men die spiritually you made that up

How were they dead here ? Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

 

[civic]

How were they dead here ? Rom 5:15

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Notice the “ if “

And it says many not every single person who ever lived

Next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

Notice the “ if “

Yeah conditioned on wheter or not Adam sinned. Did Adam sin ?

 

[brightfame52]

And it says many not every single person who ever lived

Thats because Rom 5 is about the elect. Its there experience in their natural head Adam, verse their experience in there spiritual head Christ. Rom 5 isnt about the non elect

 

[TedT]

At Creation Man Adam was alive to God and in fellowship, its when he sinned, he died to the aliveness and fellowship with God. First thing he did was hide from God after sinning.

...but not at our creation, yours and mine, as if we are not under the rule of creating no evil only holiness!

I contend that at the creation of every person ever created in HIS image, we were all created with a free will and with the equal ability and opportunity to choose by their free will to: 1. accept HIS proclamation that HE was our creator GOD and our only salvation from any choice to be sinful and so become HIS elect promised to be HIS heavenly Bride
OR
2. to rebuke HIM as a liar and therefore a fase god with no power over life and death, willing to chance hell if HE should ever prove that HE was indeed our GOD. This is the unforgivable sin for which they were condemned on the spot as unforgivable and unredeemable since they were unable to ever repent and so break their addiction to evil and refused to allow HIM to do that for them, sigh.

Then some of those who put their faith HIM as their LORD and Saviour rebelled at the call for the damnation of the reprobate and, as HIS sheep lost in evil, they were sent to live with the reprobate, Matt 13:27-30, until they were redeemed and then trained in righteousness and made heaven ready, Heb 12:5-11.

The one who sins is the one who dies.
The one who dies is the one who has sinned.
We do NOT die for the sins of our father Adam - Ezekiel 18:20 and Deuteronomy 24:16