jeremiah1five
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In the Hebrew Scripture of Law, Psalms, and the Prophets it is recorded God making three covenants with man.
The first is God calling Abram the Hebrew (descendant of Eber) and making covenant promises with him and his Hebrew seed (Genesis 12, 15, and 17.) Abram's only requirement is circumcision. Faith is not stated in these passages as pertinent to covenant. Only circumcision. Abram was already a man who had faith in his God. this faith allowed him to leave his family when God told him to in Genesis 12. Too bad he didn't obey. This is the Abrahamic Covenant.
Later, God delivers Abram's descendants from slavery in Egypt as He prophesied to Abraham in Genesis 15 and makes covenant with this people called by God as the children of Jacob (Israel.) Moses is the mediator of this covenant called the Mosaic Covenant today.
In this covenant God gives this people His Laws and the instructions of substitutionary sacrifice which would cover the sins of the people for one year until they gather on the Holy Day of Yom Kippur to repeat the process for another year, perpetually.
Then, in fulfillment of covenant and prophecies by the Hebrew prophets God promises a Deliverer "like unto Moses" that will come and deliver this people from all their enemies - even from death and sin. The whole of the Hebrew Scripture we call the "Old Testament" is filled with promises and prophecies and history, and culture and religion of these promises and this people. We learn through word-of-mouth testimony God does keep His promise and send a man named Yeshua bar Yosef born around the turn of the millennium (BC to AD) who fits all the promises and prophecies in their Scripture. For the first several decades beginning in the AD 30s after this man's death - and testified resurrection from the grave and ascension into heaven - Hebrews are being born-again personally by their Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL and thus begins the building of a Church (of called out ones - "ekklesia") populated with Hebrews (Jews) in the first century AD. And as prophesied thousands and thousands of Jews are being born-again and filled with the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL. This Jewish Church thrives as thousands of Jews are coming to know their Messiah, Lord, and King. All these things were promised in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament.)
But now two thousand years later, specifically after the destruction of Israel and their Jewish Temple by Romans (AD 70) the teaching that non-Hebrew Gentiles are being born-again and thus the start of a non-Hebrew Gentile church is being taught throughout the world begins to make its rounds. Knowing through the Hebrew Scripture which records these covenants and prophecies and promises made by God to the Hebrew people and seed of Abraham, I would like to know this one thing:
Where in the Hebrew Scripture of Law (Pentateuch) Psalms and their Prophets does God make covenant for salvation with non-Hebrew Gentiles and tell me what is the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile God makes this covenant for salvation like He did for the Hebrew people? There most likely would have to be a Gentile Scripture - or Bible - that records this covenant and the history, culture, and religious instructions and commands God made with this non-Hebrew Gentile and their Gentile history, culture, and prophets just like what God did with Abraham and his seed, a people called the children of Israel. Who is this non-Hebrew Gentile God makes covenant with and where are the Scripture of non-Hebrew Gentiles telling of this relationship, the promises and the religious instruction and commands? Where do we find the telling of their history and the great men and women of Gentile birth God uses to define this relationship as we find told in the Hebrew Scripture of the children of Israel?
Let's put an end to the debate. You want to claim non-Hebrew Gentiles have a covenant with God then tell me the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile that met with God and God promised him - as He did with Abraham - that this Gentile and his seed has covenant with God and inform me of the history, the religious instructions and commands for living under God as well as the great Gentile men and women that God has spoken to throughout history of this covenant and show me the Scripture recording these things with non-Hebrew Gentiles. There has to be a historical record and a Gentile Bible that records these things. The Hebrew people have such a Bible/Scripture that records their dealings with the God who created them. What is the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile that supposedly possesses a covenant and covenant promises of deliverance, prosperity, blessings, history, and non-Hebrew Gentile prophets God would send from time to time to lead and guide these Gentiles in their relationship with God.
What is the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile that God made covenant with?
The first is God calling Abram the Hebrew (descendant of Eber) and making covenant promises with him and his Hebrew seed (Genesis 12, 15, and 17.) Abram's only requirement is circumcision. Faith is not stated in these passages as pertinent to covenant. Only circumcision. Abram was already a man who had faith in his God. this faith allowed him to leave his family when God told him to in Genesis 12. Too bad he didn't obey. This is the Abrahamic Covenant.
Later, God delivers Abram's descendants from slavery in Egypt as He prophesied to Abraham in Genesis 15 and makes covenant with this people called by God as the children of Jacob (Israel.) Moses is the mediator of this covenant called the Mosaic Covenant today.
In this covenant God gives this people His Laws and the instructions of substitutionary sacrifice which would cover the sins of the people for one year until they gather on the Holy Day of Yom Kippur to repeat the process for another year, perpetually.
Then, in fulfillment of covenant and prophecies by the Hebrew prophets God promises a Deliverer "like unto Moses" that will come and deliver this people from all their enemies - even from death and sin. The whole of the Hebrew Scripture we call the "Old Testament" is filled with promises and prophecies and history, and culture and religion of these promises and this people. We learn through word-of-mouth testimony God does keep His promise and send a man named Yeshua bar Yosef born around the turn of the millennium (BC to AD) who fits all the promises and prophecies in their Scripture. For the first several decades beginning in the AD 30s after this man's death - and testified resurrection from the grave and ascension into heaven - Hebrews are being born-again personally by their Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL and thus begins the building of a Church (of called out ones - "ekklesia") populated with Hebrews (Jews) in the first century AD. And as prophesied thousands and thousands of Jews are being born-again and filled with the Holy Spirit of Promise PROMISED TO ISRAEL. This Jewish Church thrives as thousands of Jews are coming to know their Messiah, Lord, and King. All these things were promised in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament.)
But now two thousand years later, specifically after the destruction of Israel and their Jewish Temple by Romans (AD 70) the teaching that non-Hebrew Gentiles are being born-again and thus the start of a non-Hebrew Gentile church is being taught throughout the world begins to make its rounds. Knowing through the Hebrew Scripture which records these covenants and prophecies and promises made by God to the Hebrew people and seed of Abraham, I would like to know this one thing:
Where in the Hebrew Scripture of Law (Pentateuch) Psalms and their Prophets does God make covenant for salvation with non-Hebrew Gentiles and tell me what is the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile God makes this covenant for salvation like He did for the Hebrew people? There most likely would have to be a Gentile Scripture - or Bible - that records this covenant and the history, culture, and religious instructions and commands God made with this non-Hebrew Gentile and their Gentile history, culture, and prophets just like what God did with Abraham and his seed, a people called the children of Israel. Who is this non-Hebrew Gentile God makes covenant with and where are the Scripture of non-Hebrew Gentiles telling of this relationship, the promises and the religious instruction and commands? Where do we find the telling of their history and the great men and women of Gentile birth God uses to define this relationship as we find told in the Hebrew Scripture of the children of Israel?
Let's put an end to the debate. You want to claim non-Hebrew Gentiles have a covenant with God then tell me the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile that met with God and God promised him - as He did with Abraham - that this Gentile and his seed has covenant with God and inform me of the history, the religious instructions and commands for living under God as well as the great Gentile men and women that God has spoken to throughout history of this covenant and show me the Scripture recording these things with non-Hebrew Gentiles. There has to be a historical record and a Gentile Bible that records these things. The Hebrew people have such a Bible/Scripture that records their dealings with the God who created them. What is the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile that supposedly possesses a covenant and covenant promises of deliverance, prosperity, blessings, history, and non-Hebrew Gentile prophets God would send from time to time to lead and guide these Gentiles in their relationship with God.
What is the name of this non-Hebrew Gentile that God made covenant with?
