Selah
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God did not put us here? Would you expound further on this idea using scripture, please? Thanks.
What is death? Is it the absence of life?
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Bob Carabbio
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there are TWO "Deaths" A Physical one, which is relatively unimportant, and a SPIRITUAL one which is absolutely critical, since it's ETERNAL. If you're not Born Again of the Holy SPirit, you're in SPIRITUAL DEATH, and HELL is your destination.
101G
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which death you speak of? the first or the Last?
the First is of the flesh/Body itis the absence of natural BLOOD. for the BLOOD is the Life of the flesh see Leviticus 17:11.
the Last death of the Soul is the absence of a body and Spirit.
101G.
Complete
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Hello @101G,
Thank you for your response,
The death of the body, resulting in the absence of function and consciousness (Eccl. 9:10, Psa.115:17). The spirit of life having returned to God who gave it, and the body returned to the earth from whence it came (Eccl. 12:7), where, being mortal, it returns to the dust. Only in resurrection does corruption put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:53-54). That is the hope of the Believer in Christ Jesus their risen and glorified, Saviour and Lord: Who is the Head of the Church which is His Body. That is why God reckons the believing dead to be merely 'asleep in Christ' (1 Cor. 15:18 & Acts 13:36, 1 Cor.11:30; 51: 1 Thess. 4:14) , for they await the resurrection of the dead, when they will be quickened into life again, and put on immortality: Death having been swallowed up of life (2 Cor. 5:4). These will not be subject to the second death spoken of in Revelation -
(Rev. 20:14 & 21:8).
* Looking back at your entry, I realise that my response to it here is superfluous for you were merely informing me of an important detail often overlooked, for which I thank you, and ask you to forgive this totally unnecessary detail above. Which I can't now bring myself to delete. My only excuse being that I am only now fully awake!!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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101G
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Forgiveness been done by our Father, no offense at all. for we're brothers in Christ, and brothers LOVE ONE ANOTHER UNCONDITIONAL. and 101G thank God for you. and your topic was on point. this is how we a Christians should act and conduct ourselves. be blessed my brother, for you have a good and tremendous amount of Godly KNOWLEDGE, keep up the Good work....Hello @101G,
Thank you for your response,
The death of the body, resulting in the absence of function and consciousness (Eccl. 9:10, Psa.115:17). The spirit of life having returned to God who gave it, and the body returned to the earth from whence it came (Eccl. 12:7), where, being mortal, it returns to the dust. Only in resurrection does corruption put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:53-54). That is the hope of the Believer in Christ Jesus their risen and glorified, Saviour and Lord: Who is the Head of the Church which is His Body. That is why God reckons the believing dead to be merely 'asleep in Christ' (1 Cor. 15:18 & Acts 13:36, 1 Cor.11:30; 51: 1 Thess. 4:14) , for they await the resurrection of the dead, when they will be quickened into life again, and put on immortality: Death having been swallowed up of life (2 Cor. 5:4). These will not be subject to the second death spoken of in Revelation -
(Rev. 20:14 & 21:8).
* Looking back at your entry, I realise that my response to it here is superfluous for you were merely informing me of an important detail often overlooked, for which I thank you, and ask you to forgive this totally unnecessary detail above. Which I can't now bring myself to delete. My only excuse being that I am only now fully awake!!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
PS 101G read your topics, they are Good reading, for 101G is also Learning, so keep on teaching and refining our minds.... (smile), be BLESSED in the LORD my brother. and thank you.
101G.
Complete
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Hello @eve,
Does what you express in your entries have a source that could be referred to, so that I can get an idea of what you believe and why? I ask this not to be facetious, or unkind, but would genuinely like to understand where you are coming from doctrinally, so that I can respond adequately to what you say.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Does what you express in your entries have a source that could be referred to, so that I can get an idea of what you believe and why? I ask this not to be facetious, or unkind, but would genuinely like to understand where you are coming from doctrinally, so that I can respond adequately to what you say.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
David Koberstein
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Biblical Truth About Death
You should think about eternity. Now I can say that a different way, you should think about your death. Unless you are a believer, and you are alive at the time of the blessed hope, and that is the rapture, you are going to die, and you
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David Koberstein
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Biblical Truth About Death
You should think about eternity. Now I can say that a different way, you should think about your death. Unless you are a believer, and you are alive at the time of the blessed hope, and that is the rapture, you are going to die, and you
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Pancho Frijoles
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Hello @101G,
Thank you for your response,
The death of the body, resulting in the absence of function and consciousness (Eccl. 9:10, Psa.115:17). The spirit of life having returned to God who gave it, and the body returned to the earth from whence it came (Eccl. 12:7), where, being mortal, it returns to the dust. Only in resurrection does corruption put on incorruption, and this mortal put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:53-54). That is the hope of the Believer in Christ Jesus their risen and glorified, Saviour and Lord: Who is the Head of the Church which is His Body. That is why God reckons the believing dead to be merely 'asleep in Christ' (1 Cor. 15:18 & Acts 13:36, 1 Cor.11:30; 51: 1 Thess. 4:14) , for they await the resurrection of the dead, when they will be quickened into life again, and put on immortality: Death having been swallowed up of life (2 Cor. 5:4). These will not be subject to the second death spoken of in Revelation -
(Rev. 20:14 & 21:8).
* Looking back at your entry, I realise that my response to it here is superfluous for you were merely informing me of an important detail often overlooked, for which I thank you, and ask you to forgive this totally unnecessary detail above. Which I can't now bring myself to delete. My only excuse being that I am only now fully awake!!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
There is a fundamental incompatibility between the belief in the unconciousness of deads and physical resurrection.
I personally don't believe in a physical resurrection, but I just bring this to share with you why I think these two things are not compatible.
If consciousness is a mere function of the brain, then it is lost forever when the brain disappears.
In a physical resurrection, to re-gain the thoughts and sense of self you had before dying, God would preserve your brain intact. But that is not what happens. The brain dissolves, with all its synapsis, cells, and therefore with all its memories, emotions, etc.
Now, if conciousness is not a mere function of the brain, but an output of the brain that can exist without it, then God preserves it even if the brain dissolves, and can restore it to a new body He gives the person at resurrection.
David Koberstein
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Biblical Truth About Death
You should think about eternity. Now I can say that a different way, you should think about your death. Unless you are a believer, and you are alive at the time of the blessed hope, and that is the rapture, you are going to die, and you
player.lightcast.com
Doug Brents
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While there is certainly a connection between the physical brain and our thoughts, memories, and consciousness, there is also the spirit/soul to consider. And I believe that the Scripture is clear that the person that we are is the soul/spirit. All of our memories, thoughts, personality, and consciousness will still be intact when we are in Heaven (or Hell for those who go there) whether we spend the intervening time "asleep" or not..
101G
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thanks for the reply, this is what forums are design for... DISCUSSION. the Brain itself is a physical object of matter, that have atomic mass. but have electrical function. for we see not with our eyes, but with our brain's as electrical impulses. colors that we see are only electrical impulses interpreted in the brain as sight. as with all the other senses. and all Physical material matter is subatomic based including electricity, or electrical impulses. but understand something. all that we see, hear, taste, touch and smell are all electrical impulses interpreted by the brain as such. but consider this ..... this world and all that is in it is all a "CREATION". remember this is not the REAL WORLD, but a CREATED ONE, (Genesis 1:1). the world we live in NOW is not the REAL WORLD but a CREATED ONE. think about that. this world was Made, animated, and directed by it's CREATOR. hence the brain in the interpretation of data. and who is or what is this who makes the interpretation? the soul, or the CPU of the computer. and this interpretation are based on preexisting or basic instruction that has been establish beforehand by the CREATOR. other words LAWS, or INSTRUCTION to manipulate the data/Instruction give it. meaning what we see, hear, touch, hear and smell. and in this
now, consciousness, is it not a controlled series of instructions to acted upon, or acted out or animated in what we called LIFE in, in, in, this world?
think about consciousness as in an example of active, and inactive state. Example, in a computer system, there is ROM and RAM memory. ROM Memory is static, and RAM memory is volatile. what do 101G means...... when a computer is powered up it read it's ROM Memory that never changes. and doing so it manipulates it's output or data, AS LONG AS ELECTRICITY IS SUPPLIED. but when there is no POWER, this memory of RAM do not exist. so think... (only as an example), when our POWER SUPPLY, (spirit, the breath of God, exit out bodies) that MEMORY/RAM, is no longer active..... or conscious, but it's activity, or it's data manipulation, is stored, (or written in the Books/Hard Drive) of LIFE. as in all what we have did while we was in these bodies.
now, all of our activities, or what we did/our activities are stored in the book of remembrance/Hard drive. and if resurrected, powered up/electricity/Spirit. and what was instructed in our new ROM memory is implemented. and we have NEW and RESTORED Hard drives. or a new life.
101G knows this is crude example, but it basically brings home the point. hope this helps.
ROM = READ ONLY MEMORY. Stored/fixed storage for instructions and RAM = RANDOM ACESS MEMORY is a temporary storage of activity
inconclusion. think of the Spirit as the Power supply. ROM Memory, fixed instruction or Laws. RAM Memory is conscious activity processed by the Soul/CPU that interpret the data of Life, while in these bodies and the Hard drive is the "LIFE RECORDED ACTIVITIES WHILE IN THESE BODIES UNTIL DEATH", the books that we are Judges out of while we were in these bodies.
101G
Pancho Frijoles
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Thanks for your insightful comment, my brother. I liked it very much.
Indeed, for those of our brothers and sisters who believe that dead people are unconcious, I find no big distinction between believing that God has our memories/thoughts/traits of personality "stored" in some kind of virtual cloud, that to believe that our conciousness is still active after death.
I do see the distinction, but it is not a big one to me.
This is because a big chunk of being self-concious is the ability to recognize ourselves in all those memories and thoughts.... to experience that fact "I am the one thinking this, or remembering this, or feeling this emotion". Our memories and thoughts are not just movies playing on the screen of our heads. We experience ourselves within them.
So, if God keeps in storage the accumulative output of cerebral activity that gives me a sense of "self", this is not so different from saying that I survive my biological death. .
101G
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on point. for all souls are his.... scripture, Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die."
keep up the good work my brother.
101G.
101G
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to all,
101G commend each and every one of you. this is what our Father require.... discuss his word in peace. just as there was a Jerusalem council when a question came up ... God's people came together and heard each out, and gave their prospected on the matter. and they came to a conclusion based on the word of God.
maybe we need a B.A.M. council to divide the Word of God correctly to come to a concise understanding of God Holy Word. this is what these Forums are design for. so, 101G thank God for many good conduct, and 101G himself will strive to better in his conduct. so, let's bare with one another in Holy Peace.
be blessed to all.
101G.
101G commend each and every one of you. this is what our Father require.... discuss his word in peace. just as there was a Jerusalem council when a question came up ... God's people came together and heard each out, and gave their prospected on the matter. and they came to a conclusion based on the word of God.
maybe we need a B.A.M. council to divide the Word of God correctly to come to a concise understanding of God Holy Word. this is what these Forums are design for. so, 101G thank God for many good conduct, and 101G himself will strive to better in his conduct. so, let's bare with one another in Holy Peace.
be blessed to all.
101G.
civic
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So you don't believe Jesus was resurrected in a physical body ?
Pancho Frijoles
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Hi Civic
No, I don't.
I believe that a physical body poses much more logical problems and has nothing to do with our shared conviction that Christ is alive and reigns.
As a Baha'i, I believe that resurrection is a spiritual phenomenon, and bodily resurrection is a metaphor.
David Koberstein
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That is truly not Biblical according to Adonai's Word.
101G
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a physical body is not in the question of NATURAL DEATHY, because our new bodies ARE WITHOUT BLOOD. AND LIKEWISE, THE BRAIN REQUIRE BLOOD TO FUNCTION. and the Lord Jesus is WITHOUT BLOOD. hence negate any physical activity, so there is more to the essence of life beside physical activity. Christ now LIVE by the Spirit, and not blood.
101G
