What is death? Is it the absence of life?

every soul of eden stepped out of God's feminine spirit , His Spirit having been spoken by God. there was no pain in childbirth. There was no flesh body.
 
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the soul as many believe does not come to be in this flesh when conceived here. she comes to be in God... In the other reality before this flesh body even was. His souls are not even related to the nature of this dead flesh...
 
jeremiah1five said:
Anything or anyone 'living' comes from God. So, if man became a 'living' soul when before he was only dust of the ground, then the soul comes from God. So, how does something from God - in this case a soul - become eternally separated from Him?​
Well, first we must define what the soul is and according to Scripture in many places that one can discern it from a lifeless body - it is mind, intellect, senses, emotions, conscience, and will. And being animated by God because it comes from Him and is added to the body, we can now determine how a soul can be [eternally] separated from God.​
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'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'
(Gen 2:7)

Hello @jeremiah1fove,

The soul is the whole person within whom is the breath of life. Without the breath of life there can be no living soul. This needs no debate, just the faith to believe what God has said.
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Right now, the soul IS separated from God. Let's just say that the Heavenly Tabernacle of which the earthly Tabernacle was fashioned from was buzzing with activity just as the earthly Tabernacle was with a high priest, blood and flesh and incense offering, etc. There are not many references but there is enough to draw out the activity taken place in the Heavenly Tabernacle before God created (first and second) heaven, earth, and man and the bible says so.

The first thing to understand and accept is that God shows Himself saving through covenant. All three salvation covenants in the Hebrew Scripture does show these covenants were made by God and included a Hebrew man and extended in time to his biological seed.

6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:6–7.

Now, before I go on, I want to first make sure you understand and accept that this is a covenant between God, Abram the Hebrew, and his Hebrew seed (Sarah was Abraham's niece and wife meaning she was Hebrew also and both from the family of Eber. Abraham's father and Sarai's father were brothers) and accept that there are no non-Hebrews or later, a people identified as non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant. Do you see any non-Hebrews or non-Hebrew Gentiles in this covenant?

Yes or No?
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The existence of a living soul is not a matter of covenant, but of creation. You are introducing something that has no bearing on what a soul is.

Yet again you are seeking to infiltrate into this thread, as with many others, the subject of the covenant. You appear to have an obsession with the subject @jeremiah1five. If you want to discuss that subject yet again, I suggest you start your own thread devoted to it, and allow others to pursue the myriad of other subjects which they wish to discuss unhindered.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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Complete said:
'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,
and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;
and man became a living soul.'
(Gen 2:7)

Hello @jeremiah1fove,

The soul is the whole person within whom is the breath of life. Without the breath of life there can be no living soul. This needs no debate, just the faith to believe what God has said.

The existence of a living soul is not a matter of covenant, but of creation. You are introducing something that has no bearing on what a soul is.

Yet again you are seeking to infiltrate into this thread, as with many others, the subject of the covenant. You appear to have an obsession with the subject @jeremiah1five. If you want to discuss that subject yet again, I suggest you start your own thread devoted to it, and allow others to pursue the myriad of other subjects which they wish to discuss unhindered.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Sorry to hear that you want to bifurcate an act of God at creation from His plan for a people He in the course of time will call out for Himself. The doctrine of man is just as important as the doctrine of salvation and to whom God chooses to give it to. And as we progress through the Hebrew Scripture, we find many clues that offer understanding into the creation of man, his trichotomy and how this figure into the completed product of the new man the Scripture identifies as a person who has been born-again by the Spirit of God. In order to understand the born-again phenomenon requires understanding the creation of man and the determination of his make-up goes to understanding him completed in Christ or the Spirit.

There are 66 'books' of the Hebrew Scripture that offers insight into these questions of spirit, soul, and body, as much as it offers revelation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is necessary to any study on the biblical doctrine of man in relation to what he becomes from what he was to begin with. Too bad you want to again ignore the obvious and sidestep the questions by confusing the subject with an uncommitted offering of non-response to the subject at hand. I was right to stop my response where I did because I knew you would respond as you did. I would rather put in the work for those that are my true brethren rather than waste my time and effort on those that continually show me they are not my true brethren. If this offends you too bad. In all my interaction with you I have come to recognize one thing above others. We must all see the same Jesus and we must all say the same thing as God. To do otherwise is to oppose God. In the end for me to call you brethren it is imperative we have the same Father. The true brethren I know love God and His Word and show a willingness to go deeper into the things of God rather than stop at the surface. I go where the Scripture takes me and I am not afraid of what revelations come out of it. It is the Word of God that forms my beliefs. Unlike you and others I don't project into God's Word what I think it should say based upon things known only at the surface. When I dig deep down into the things of God, I always bring my shovel. Fingernails do not do as well except to scratch at the surface.
 
e v e said:
in hebrew npsh = a living being - body And soul. that was before the fall.

psuche is not npsh as npsh , as things came to be after the fall, only includes the tiny bit of you in this body .. the invisible soul, not including flesh... and the soul here and now is not the body meant by npsh, and not the soul meant by npsh, since the very nature of body and soul was one undivided imperishable soul in eden ...gad we listened to Him and not cooperated with the evil realm...

the soul in eden was the living being... whereas now this body has a different nature and different needs and wants as does the soul. it is the flesh which wars with God... and the flesh whose law is sin and death.

this flesh dies and is the dead body of haggai... and cannot enter eden paradise (being part of death), just as God warned Adam.

at our rapture souls will be restored to the original glorified body made for us in eden - which is not a creature and has no animal nature as this body does have.
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Became a living soul---not was given a living soul. Even the fish are called Nephesh
 
yes, modern christianity overall is deluded...


God if considered as Adam, who created this false delusion earth dungeon...
when he betrayed God and went to the enemy.

This earth is NOT IEUE's... This body is not the body He gave to His Hebrew souls in Eden paradise.
 
World in its basic sense always refers to this earth and or this cosmos

NOT a system.

God did not create this earth or body.
 
e v e said:
God did not put us here, adam did
after the fall, by his sin
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You said that God did not create this Earth, nor man's body. And that God's Eden Paradise was never on this Earth. All of that is in direct contradiction of Genesis 1 and 2.

So:
Are you saying that Genesis 1 and 2 are not true?

If God's paradise in Eden was never on this Earth, at what point then did God move man from the paradise He created in Eden to this Earth?
 
Doug Brents said:
You said that God did not create this Earth, nor man's body. And that God's Eden Paradise was never on this Earth. All of that is in direct contradiction of Genesis 1 and 2.

So:
Are you saying that Genesis 1 and 2 are not true?

If God's paradise in Eden was never on this Earth, at what point then did God move man from the paradise He created in Eden to this Earth?
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we left eden , no ? our land..

sin entered into what God created perfect
so...we are now in a Fallen place, which God warned Adam was Death.

Not sort of death or partly death or a metal state. Death. Separation
literally from eden and God , as , in a different place.

So... Yes, I know that prosperity and other views
want to paint this earth as nice and from Him..
but I'm saying no... it's not.

nothing ugly is allowed in His paradise...
and this is certainly NOT His paradise.

And being in the carnal self and flesh is not mental or some state...
...it is literally real. We are in the fallen place and situation Adam brought.

Being saved is the same as with all his saints - we have his promise
to be saved..and are not de facto saved. yet.

His souls will be saved when we meet Christ upon the clouds.
 
The fall was legally undone by Christ... as part I

the de facto and actual 'saved' is rapture, as part II...
when Christ returns for us... and restores us to our Eden paradise,
which the sons rebuild and rule with Christ

which He promises us soon.

There is no "I am saved already".
 
This world and reality we are now in ,
is a strong delusion... a fallen dystopic asylum ...
and is NOT His Reality for us.
IT is death. Everything gets ill, hurt, suffers, dies.

NOT His version of reality.
 
e v e said:
we left eden , no ? our land..

sin entered into what God created perfect
so...we are now in a Fallen place, which God warned Adam was Death.

Not sort of death or partly death or a metal state. Death. Separation
literally from eden and God , as , in a different place.

So... Yes, I know that prosperity and other views
want to paint this earth as nice and from Him..
but I'm saying no... it's not.
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Ahhh, that makes sense. (dripping sarcasm)

We did not move physically. God created this world, and our bodies. The world was corrupted by sin, but it is still the same place that God created.
e v e said:
nothing ugly is allowed in His paradise...
and this is certainly NOT His paradise.
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Correct, He cast us out of the perfect garden He had made, and sin caused thorns, briars, pests, disease, natural disasters, and other problems to enter into the world God had created.
e v e said:
And being in the carnal self and flesh is not mental or some state...
...it is literally real. We are in the fallen place and situation Adam brought.

Being saved is the same as with all his saints - we have his promise
to be saved..and are not de facto saved. yet.
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Yes, and no. Scripture says that salvation is experienced in all three tenses:
We have been saved (Eph 2:8).
We are being saved (1 Cor 15:2).
And we will be saved (Rom 5:9).
e v e said:
His souls will be saved when we meet Christ upon the clouds.
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True, but we also can know that we are saved now (John 5:13).
 

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